What do you thinkl is the best batman villain after joker?
Ra's al Ghul.
No Hush?
Are we going overall, like pre New 52? Bane of Pre-52 was intelligent, not the over exaggerated pile of garbage that they made him in New 52 and the Arkham games/comics that's too similar to the Shumacher movie version.
@hoplite91: I was thrilled by the Internet rumor of Robin Williams as Hugo Strange in Dark Knight Rises, and then they did all that other stuff instead.
Conceptually I believe
Two-Face
Catwoman
Ra's al Ghul
Bane
these are the best villains after the Joker,most if not all other villains are weaker/underdeveloped versions of these characters.
Ra's Ah Ghul. And why isn't Harely Quinn a part of the options?
She's a nuisance,not a villain.
Ra's by a mile, though I'm disappointed at the lack of Hugo Strange. The new 52 is time for the Moriarty of Batman to get the attention he's always deserved.
It can be argued that Joker,Ra's,Dr Hurt and Riddler are the Moriarty's to Batman's Sherlock.
Scarecrow has a lot of potential for a major Bat-villain, and I really enjoy what he's doing in Arkham War right now.
Definitely Ra's Al Ghul. Besides having a really cool name, he can beat any of the other villains easily with this ninja army. Don't forget he can really kick anyone's ass with his martial arts expertise.
Regarding Two-Face, I never understood the fascination with him. He is just some dude (although cool villain), who's biggest threat to Batman is a gun, that's it. He's not smart enough, strong enough, or have any powers, to beat Batman at anything. Same goes for Penguin and Hush.
He's underrated but Scarecrow, represents everything that Batman is trying push (fear, terror, breaking people physically and psychologically.) Crane does it in a twisted cruel way that you would think that Batman's in the same state. Also Cillain Murphy's performance of him in Batman Begins was just plain creepy!
There are several that I could easily vote for...
BTAS did wonders for a lot of flat Batman villains. It made Mr. Freeze one of the more interesting characters. It did the same, to a lesser extent, for Mad Hatter. It showed us the human side of these characters and made us feel empathy for them, which makes them far more interesting.
I voted Ivy, not just because she has complex motives related to Eco-terrorism, but, because of her powers.
Ra's al Ghul.
Ra's by a mile, though I'm disappointed at the lack of Hugo Strange. The new 52 is time for the Moriarty of Batman to get the attention he's always deserved.
It can be argued that Joker,Ra's,Dr Hurt and Riddler are the Moriarty's to Batman's Sherlock.
Yeah, I agree with all of those. I mainly specified Strange because he was so early and it's always seemed like he was the earliest incarnation of that archetype.
Although my pick was Two-Face, Ra's is probably the one that has given bats the most trouble and the second biggest threat besides Joker
Ra's by a mile, though I'm disappointed at the lack of Hugo Strange. The new 52 is time for the Moriarty of Batman to get the attention he's always deserved.
Funny, I usually thought The Riddler would be that?
@jeremy1989: Absolutely, I think that's very valid. Especially if you're going by the excellent Andrew Scott version from the BBC series, Riddler makes ten times more sense as that version of Moriarty is eccentric and even erratic.
However, Strange always struck me as more akin to the original ACD character as he is a noted academic, older, and less openly eccentric than Riddler, though undoubtedly a genius. The literary version of Moriarty isn't quite the flaunting narcissist that Riddler is. The Jared Harris version from the Robert Downey Jr. films is a little more classical in that way I guess. He's older and less assuming, but cunning and dangerous.
It's all relative, I think both Strange and Nigma have a lot of untapped villain potential. I think that an interpretation of Strange that was freed from him being quite as batshit (no pun intended) crazy or being a pawn of some other character could be really chilling. The same is probably true of the Riddler.
This is a difficult decision, they are all great villains... but still if I have to choose one, that would be my favorite batman villain, so I choose the Riddler.
I honestly, truly believe that no one would give a care about Ra's or Bane if they were not in the Nolan films.
@jeremy1989: Absolutely, I think that's very valid. Especially if you're going by the excellent Andrew Scott version from the BBC series, Riddler makes ten times more sense as that version of Moriarty is eccentric and even erratic.
However, Strange always struck me as more akin to the original ACD character as he is a noted academic, older, and less openly eccentric than Riddler, though undoubtedly a genius. The literary version of Moriarty isn't quite the flaunting narcissist that Riddler is. The Jared Harris version from the Robert Downey Jr. films is a little more classical in that way I guess. He's older and less assuming, but cunning and dangerous.
It's all relative, I think both Strange and Nigma have a lot of untapped villain potential. I think that an interpretation of Strange that was freed from him being quite as batshit (no pun intended) crazy or being a pawn of some other character could be really chilling. The same is probably true of the Riddler.
Moriarty is a dang great and versatile character,the BBC version is similar to the Riddler while the Downey film version more to Ra's al Ghul. Golden age Pre-Crisis Strange was like classic Moriarty.
I honestly, truly believe that no one would give a care about Ra's or Bane if they were not in the Nolan films.
Um okay.
Definitely Ra's Al Ghul. Besides having a really cool name, he can beat any of the other villains easily with this ninja army. Don't forget he can really kick anyone's ass with his martial arts expertise.
Regarding Two-Face, I never understood the fascination with him. He is just some dude (although cool villain), who's biggest threat to Batman is a gun, that's it. He's not smart enough, strong enough, or have any powers, to beat Batman at anything. Same goes for Penguin and Hush.
Two-Face represents the fallen angel/friend trope and he's by far the best Bat villain in that category. He represents Batmans failure,he's what Batman could be if his war against crime takes a toll on his mental health.
I get what he's supposed to represent, but how does that make him "the best Bat villain"? He poses no threat whatsoever to Batman, he's just some gangster with a gun.
I get what he's supposed to represent, but how does that make him "the best Bat villain"? He poses no threat whatsoever to Batman, he's just some gangster with a gun.
Depends on what you mean by "best," I guess.
I'm in the teeny minority, the Mad Hatter's my fav. His dream machine rocked!
The thing is, with the exception of Ra's, most of these villains are used as pawns most of the time and are rarely masterminds. Some have had their moment, like Bane, but you see, outside of Knightfall, Bane never managed to match up to Batman the same way again, and ironically, even in Knightfall, Bane's defeat took place at the hands of Batman's substitute, and he only defeated Batman when he was exhausted. The same for Two-Face, outside of the Jeph Loeb/Tim Sale stories, he never really impacted Batman in any way.
The thing that Joker and Ra's have in common, is that whenever they're involved, Batman knows there's no messing around, and he immediately recognizes them as omega level threats, because their goals go beyond just monetary gain. Both of them want to see the world burn, each with their own perspective. At one point, Batman once said that Ra's is worse than both Joker and Lex Luthor combined. Obviously, Joker will always be Batman's arch-nemesis, but Ra's Al Ghul is the undisputed #2.
Here's the top 5 Batman villains:
- Joker
- Ra's
- Bane
- Two-Face
- Either Mr. Freeze or Scarecrow
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