Posted by paalern3 (57 posts) 6 months, 7 days ago

Poll: What do you thinkl is the best batman villain after joker? (76 votes)

Penguin 0%
Riddler 18%
Poison Ivy 1%
Two-face 11%
Mr. Freeze 1%
Ventriloquist 0%
Clayface 1%
Scarecrow 8%
Ra's Al Ghul 32%
Lady Shiva 1%
Tweedledee and tweedledum 0%
Mad hatter 3%
Killer croc 4%
Bane 20%
Killer moth 0%
#1 Posted by RustyRoy (12772 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's al Ghul.

#2 Posted by dagmar_merrill (8713 posts) - - Show Bio

Ratcatcher.

#3 Posted by youknowwhattodo (1172 posts) - - Show Bio
#4 Posted by nickzambuto (13700 posts) - - Show Bio

Gotta be Bane.

#5 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (6186 posts) - - Show Bio

Al Ghul

#6 Posted by Countbaron (62 posts) - - Show Bio

Arkham Knight ?

#7 Posted by Azrael_Online (186 posts) - - Show Bio

No Hush?

Are we going overall, like pre New 52? Bane of Pre-52 was intelligent, not the over exaggerated pile of garbage that they made him in New 52 and the Arkham games/comics that's too similar to the Shumacher movie version.

#8 Edited by Black_Arrow (3162 posts) - - Show Bio

Bane, Two face and Ras are the top batman villains for me .

#9 Posted by Hoplite91 (78 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's by a mile, though I'm disappointed at the lack of Hugo Strange. The new 52 is time for the Moriarty of Batman to get the attention he's always deserved.

#10 Posted by Black_Claw (2989 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's Ah Ghul. And why isn't Harely Quinn a part of the options?

#11 Posted by RiotSqrrl (130 posts) - - Show Bio

@hoplite91: I was thrilled by the Internet rumor of Robin Williams as Hugo Strange in Dark Knight Rises, and then they did all that other stuff instead.

#12 Posted by entropy_aegis (15329 posts) - - Show Bio

Conceptually I believe

Two-Face

Catwoman

Ra's al Ghul

Bane

these are the best villains after the Joker,most if not all other villains are weaker/underdeveloped versions of these characters.

Ra's Ah Ghul. And why isn't Harely Quinn a part of the options?

She's a nuisance,not a villain.

Ra's by a mile, though I'm disappointed at the lack of Hugo Strange. The new 52 is time for the Moriarty of Batman to get the attention he's always deserved.

It can be argued that Joker,Ra's,Dr Hurt and Riddler are the Moriarty's to Batman's Sherlock.

#13 Posted by TDK_1997 (14897 posts) - - Show Bio

Bane,Two-Face or Ra's al Ghul.Those are the characters that can be called great villains and good enough to be on the second spot in Batman's rogues gallery.Every other villain he has still hasn't proven that much to me to be that great.

#14 Posted by GeekBait (785 posts) - - Show Bio

Two-Face, but I think Penguin is pretty underrated and underused.

#15 Posted by RulerOfThisUniverse (6344 posts) - - Show Bio

Riddler.

#16 Edited by lifeofvibe (3490 posts) - - Show Bio

Ras most definitely

#17 Posted by _Atomikill_ (4287 posts) - - Show Bio

Scarecrow has a lot of potential for a major Bat-villain, and I really enjoy what he's doing in Arkham War right now.

#18 Posted by DrMantisToboggan (594 posts) - - Show Bio

for some reason i love riddler so he gets my vote, but it was tough not to pick ra's

#19 Edited by Moonlighterstone (322 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's Al Ghul.

#20 Edited by batzilla (86 posts) - - Show Bio

Definitely Ra's Al Ghul. Besides having a really cool name, he can beat any of the other villains easily with this ninja army. Don't forget he can really kick anyone's ass with his martial arts expertise.

Regarding Two-Face, I never understood the fascination with him. He is just some dude (although cool villain), who's biggest threat to Batman is a gun, that's it. He's not smart enough, strong enough, or have any powers, to beat Batman at anything. Same goes for Penguin and Hush.

#21 Edited by mak13131313 (564 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's Al Ghul all the way!

#22 Posted by LyraFay (2527 posts) - - Show Bio

He's underrated but Scarecrow, represents everything that Batman is trying push (fear, terror, breaking people physically and psychologically.) Crane does it in a twisted cruel way that you would think that Batman's in the same state. Also Cillain Murphy's performance of him in Batman Begins was just plain creepy!

#23 Posted by Knightfall225 (1995 posts) - - Show Bio

The riddler for me. The riddler vs the worlds greatest detective is always fun to read

#24 Posted by Jokerpoker (2963 posts) - - Show Bio

IMO either Bane or Deathstroke.

#25 Posted by Breadspread (774 posts) - - Show Bio

There are several that I could easily vote for...

BTAS did wonders for a lot of flat Batman villains. It made Mr. Freeze one of the more interesting characters. It did the same, to a lesser extent, for Mad Hatter. It showed us the human side of these characters and made us feel empathy for them, which makes them far more interesting.

I voted Ivy, not just because she has complex motives related to Eco-terrorism, but, because of her powers.

#26 Posted by I3IO_HAZARD (403 posts) - - Show Bio

Two-Face for me

#27 Edited by Cloakx14 (3156 posts) - - Show Bio

The Riddler, Hush, Clayface.

#28 Posted by Homer_X (1220 posts) - - Show Bio

Ras, Bane, or Two-face for me

#29 Edited by PunyParker (11133 posts) - - Show Bio
#30 Posted by Hoplite91 (78 posts) - - Show Bio

@hoplite91 said:

Ra's by a mile, though I'm disappointed at the lack of Hugo Strange. The new 52 is time for the Moriarty of Batman to get the attention he's always deserved.

It can be argued that Joker,Ra's,Dr Hurt and Riddler are the Moriarty's to Batman's Sherlock.

Yeah, I agree with all of those. I mainly specified Strange because he was so early and it's always seemed like he was the earliest incarnation of that archetype.

#31 Edited by I3IO_HAZARD (403 posts) - - Show Bio

Although my pick was Two-Face, Ra's is probably the one that has given bats the most trouble and the second biggest threat besides Joker

#32 Posted by Xwraith (18347 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparently I'm the only one who likes Mr. Freeze best.

#33 Edited by Jeremy1989 (679 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's by a mile, though I'm disappointed at the lack of Hugo Strange. The new 52 is time for the Moriarty of Batman to get the attention he's always deserved.

Funny, I usually thought The Riddler would be that?

#34 Edited by Hoplite91 (78 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeremy1989: Absolutely, I think that's very valid. Especially if you're going by the excellent Andrew Scott version from the BBC series, Riddler makes ten times more sense as that version of Moriarty is eccentric and even erratic.

However, Strange always struck me as more akin to the original ACD character as he is a noted academic, older, and less openly eccentric than Riddler, though undoubtedly a genius. The literary version of Moriarty isn't quite the flaunting narcissist that Riddler is. The Jared Harris version from the Robert Downey Jr. films is a little more classical in that way I guess. He's older and less assuming, but cunning and dangerous.

It's all relative, I think both Strange and Nigma have a lot of untapped villain potential. I think that an interpretation of Strange that was freed from him being quite as batshit (no pun intended) crazy or being a pawn of some other character could be really chilling. The same is probably true of the Riddler.

#35 Edited by The_Tree (7491 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker's not my favorite, but two villains I truly enjoy are Doctor Hurt and Ra's al Ghul.

#36 Posted by frostphoenix (40 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a difficult decision, they are all great villains... but still if I have to choose one, that would be my favorite batman villain, so I choose the Riddler.

#37 Posted by Bruxae (13917 posts) - - Show Bio

Best? Probably Bane. Not sure who I enjoy the most.

#38 Edited by Azrael_Online (186 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly, truly believe that no one would give a care about Ra's or Bane if they were not in the Nolan films.

#39 Posted by entropy_aegis (15329 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeremy1989: Absolutely, I think that's very valid. Especially if you're going by the excellent Andrew Scott version from the BBC series, Riddler makes ten times more sense as that version of Moriarty is eccentric and even erratic.

However, Strange always struck me as more akin to the original ACD character as he is a noted academic, older, and less openly eccentric than Riddler, though undoubtedly a genius. The literary version of Moriarty isn't quite the flaunting narcissist that Riddler is. The Jared Harris version from the Robert Downey Jr. films is a little more classical in that way I guess. He's older and less assuming, but cunning and dangerous.

It's all relative, I think both Strange and Nigma have a lot of untapped villain potential. I think that an interpretation of Strange that was freed from him being quite as batshit (no pun intended) crazy or being a pawn of some other character could be really chilling. The same is probably true of the Riddler.

Moriarty is a dang great and versatile character,the BBC version is similar to the Riddler while the Downey film version more to Ra's al Ghul. Golden age Pre-Crisis Strange was like classic Moriarty.

I honestly, truly believe that no one would give a care about Ra's or Bane if they were not in the Nolan films.

Um okay.

@batzilla said:

Definitely Ra's Al Ghul. Besides having a really cool name, he can beat any of the other villains easily with this ninja army. Don't forget he can really kick anyone's ass with his martial arts expertise.

Regarding Two-Face, I never understood the fascination with him. He is just some dude (although cool villain), who's biggest threat to Batman is a gun, that's it. He's not smart enough, strong enough, or have any powers, to beat Batman at anything. Same goes for Penguin and Hush.

Two-Face represents the fallen angel/friend trope and he's by far the best Bat villain in that category. He represents Batmans failure,he's what Batman could be if his war against crime takes a toll on his mental health.

#40 Posted by TheCheeseStabber (8112 posts) - - Show Bio

Solomon Grundy :P

#41 Posted by batzilla (86 posts) - - Show Bio
#42 Posted by PapiNacho (2422 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's, he is the only one who's a real threat not only to the Batman but also the entire planet. It is always more exiting when he steps in. Also he can match Batman physically and intellectually.

#43 Posted by Countbaron (62 posts) - - Show Bio

The Shark !?

#44 Posted by RamiaQuizzlinger (35 posts) - - Show Bio

@batzilla said:

Two-Face represents the fallen angel/friend trope and he's by far the best Bat villain in that category. He represents Batmans failure,he's what Batman could be if his war against crime takes a toll on his mental health.@entropy_aegis:

I get what he's supposed to represent, but how does that make him "the best Bat villain"? He poses no threat whatsoever to Batman, he's just some gangster with a gun.

Depends on what you mean by "best," I guess.

I'm in the teeny minority, the Mad Hatter's my fav. His dream machine rocked!

#45 Posted by batshrine (995 posts) - - Show Bio

This is really presumptuous assuming Joker is the best Batman villian...

#46 Posted by darkhunter89 (528 posts) - - Show Bio

Where's Black Mask?

#47 Posted by 110142 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

scarecrow

#48 Posted by Anjales (436 posts) - - Show Bio

The thing is, with the exception of Ra's, most of these villains are used as pawns most of the time and are rarely masterminds. Some have had their moment, like Bane, but you see, outside of Knightfall, Bane never managed to match up to Batman the same way again, and ironically, even in Knightfall, Bane's defeat took place at the hands of Batman's substitute, and he only defeated Batman when he was exhausted. The same for Two-Face, outside of the Jeph Loeb/Tim Sale stories, he never really impacted Batman in any way.

The thing that Joker and Ra's have in common, is that whenever they're involved, Batman knows there's no messing around, and he immediately recognizes them as omega level threats, because their goals go beyond just monetary gain. Both of them want to see the world burn, each with their own perspective. At one point, Batman once said that Ra's is worse than both Joker and Lex Luthor combined. Obviously, Joker will always be Batman's arch-nemesis, but Ra's Al Ghul is the undisputed #2.

Here's the top 5 Batman villains:

- Joker

- Ra's

- Bane

- Two-Face

- Either Mr. Freeze or Scarecrow

#49 Posted by MASTER_OF_SUPRISE (632 posts) - - Show Bio

I have to say Riddler.