#1 Posted by RiddlerZeroYear (178 posts) - - Show Bio

If not, will any of Snyder's stories thus far?

#2 Posted by HauntedGraveyard (47 posts) - - Show Bio

I wasn't a big fan of Zero Year at all.

I hear a lot of praise for Court of the Owls and TBM.

I wasn't a big fan of the Court but enjoyed The Black Mirror

#3 Posted by Pperspectiveandreality (1931 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think any of it will be on the level of Killing Joke, Year One, The Dark Knight Returns or Morrisons run but I do think it'll be remembered with the same level of fondness as Knightfall. It's been good and not great IMO.

#4 Edited by batcat91 (249 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like the Court of Owls was a really cool "blockbuster", with some nice character moments and the introduction of an engaging and powerful villain. Like Dixon's Batman.

In my opinion Death of the Family and The Black Mirror will be classics and will eventually gain the amount of respect and reverence as stories such as Year One, The Long Halloween and so on.

I can' say for Zero Year since I haven't read everything.

#5 Edited by RustyRoy (13539 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think any of it will be on the level of Killing Joke, Year One, The Dark Knight Returns or Morrisons run but I do think it'll be remembered with the same level of fondness as Knightfall. It's been good and not great IMO.

Agreed.

#6 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think any of it will be on the level of Killing Joke, Year One, The Dark Knight Returns or Morrisons run but I do think it'll be remembered with the same level of fondness as Knightfall. It's been good and not great IMO.

Nah,Knightfall's impact in post crisis DCU was rivaled if not exceeded only by Batman R.I.P. I expect Snyder's work to be remembered the same way as Hush.

#7 Posted by HighlyEvolved (318 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure about Zero Year but IMO Court of Owls will be a classic. I honestly enjoyed reading it more than Hush.

#8 Posted by RustyRoy (13539 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure about Zero Year but IMO Court of Owls will be a classic. I honestly enjoyed reading it more than Hush.

Hush isn't a classic.

#9 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@highlyevolved said:

Not sure about Zero Year but IMO Court of Owls will be a classic. I honestly enjoyed reading it more than Hush.

Hush isn't a classic.

It is,I think it's rather mediocre but you cant deny it's popularity. Snyder's work is no different in my eyes.

#10 Posted by RustyRoy (13539 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@highlyevolved said:

Not sure about Zero Year but IMO Court of Owls will be a classic. I honestly enjoyed reading it more than Hush.

Hush isn't a classic.

It is,I think it's rather mediocre but you cant deny it's popularity. Snyder's work is no different in my eyes.

Popularity doesn't make it a classic. Its popular but so is Transformers movies, no one calls them classic.

#11 Posted by OrangeBat (213 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@pperspectiveandreality said:

I don't think any of it will be on the level of Killing Joke, Year One, The Dark Knight Returns or Morrisons run but I do think it'll be remembered with the same level of fondness as Knightfall. It's been good and not great IMO.

Nah,Knightfall's impact in post crisis DCU was rivaled if not exceeded only by Batman R.I.P. I expect Snyder's work to be remembered the same way as Hush.

He was talking in terms of fondness, though, not impact. And while Knightfall was influential, it isn't really remembered with the same amount of fondness or regarded as much of a classic as stuff like Year One, The Killing Joke, The Dark Knight Returns, etc.

#12 Posted by MegaHGFan (128 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Court of Owls along with Death of the Family, will hold up better and stand up as being more unique in the annals of Batman history.

#13 Posted by Dernman (15440 posts) - - Show Bio

It wont be in my eyes. I'm going to be jumping though hoops to forget it happened.

#14 Posted by Lvenger (21066 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh it's been alright from when I checked in on it but nothing that rivals the truly classic Batman stories. Let alone the masterpiece that is Year One, the one Frank Millar storyline I've read that I actually like. So I doubt Snyder's Zero Year will be considered alongside the really great Batman stories. He's had some stand outs like The Black Mirror and Court of Owls but has gone downhill since. People overhype what's popular nowadays based on word of mouth but once Snyder's run ends, the embers of it will die down. Zero Year has been too long and drawn out to be considered a memorable Batman origin story. Heck I find Snyder's Superman Unchained work to be better than most of his Batman work myself.

#15 Posted by Spidey_Jackson (2665 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh no. But then again, TDKR is considered "legendary" so anything is possible.

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#16 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (2065 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it will be remembered on fondly and as a great second place stringer in the Batman origin stories (next to Year One) but Black Mirror and Court of Owls will be the 2 stories from Snyder I believe will be the most fondly looked upon.

#17 Posted by fattytravy (10 posts) - - Show Bio

From what little I've read of Zero Year thus far (I usually wait until an arc is finished to read it straight through) it's pretty good. I'm anxious to pick up 33 and finally read it all.

I've no doubt that it will be great though. I think that I've read everything Snyder has written, with the exception of his Marvel work, and all of it is brilliant.

#18 Edited by TheBakeBoss (80 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally thought it was better than Year One. It's one of those odd cases where the new one is actually LESS dark and gritty than the old one and it works perfectly here for a younger gotham and a younger batman

#19 Posted by MyNameIsWill (400 posts) - - Show Bio

It was well done, I'm not so sure it's on the same level as Year One though.

#20 Posted by Jayc1324 (13144 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: @rustyroy: Hush is indeed a classic. Those Superman fight scans, Batman almost killing Joker, Catwoman and Batman's relationship, everything. Its old and insanely popular. Classic

#21 Edited by Jayc1324 (13144 posts) - - Show Bio

it will make top ten batman stories lists, but not sure about it being a classic. it is beautifully written, and defines new 52 batman like how morrison and frank miller defined old batman. Snyder pretty much created new 52 Batman and who he is with this story. Not quite a classic though, perhaps in time.

#22 Edited by MuyJingo (1929 posts) - - Show Bio

Absolutely not. I'd bet my small fortune on it.

I elaborated on this more in another post, but there is nothing in Zero Year that defines the evolution of Bruce into Batman. The Zero Year stores could simple be some early adventures in LofDK. There is nothing particularly memorable about it.

For me, Year One has the moments of Bruce being inspired (which ZY tried to update and failed), confronting Falcone, showing the city from the perspective of Gordon, Batman escaping the SWAT...a bunch of amazing moments. Really, what comes to mind when you think of Zero Year, now that it's over?

What moments truly make you go wow, and that you are going to be remembering a decade from now? I can't think of a single one. That, to me, is why it won't be a classic. It's simply not that good.

#23 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

@muyjingo said:

Absolutely not. I'd bet my small fortune on it.

I elaborated on this more in another post, but there is nothing in Zero Year that defines the evolution of Bruce into Batman. The Zero Year stores could simple be some early adventures in LofDK. There is nothing particularly memorable about it.

For me, Year One has the moments of Bruce being inspired (which ZY tried to update and failed), confronting Falcone, showing the city from the perspective of Gordon, Batman escaping the SWAT...a bunch of amazing moments. Really, what comes to mind when you think of Zero Year, now that it's over?

What moments truly make you go wow, and that you are going to be remembering a decade from now? I can't think of a single one. That, to me, is why it won't be a classic. It's simply not that good.

Agreed.

#24 Posted by RustyRoy (13539 posts) - - Show Bio

@muyjingo said:

Absolutely not. I'd bet my small fortune on it.

I elaborated on this more in another post, but there is nothing in Zero Year that defines the evolution of Bruce into Batman. The Zero Year stores could simple be some early adventures in LofDK. There is nothing particularly memorable about it.

For me, Year One has the moments of Bruce being inspired (which ZY tried to update and failed), confronting Falcone, showing the city from the perspective of Gordon, Batman escaping the SWAT...a bunch of amazing moments. Really, what comes to mind when you think of Zero Year, now that it's over?

What moments truly make you go wow, and that you are going to be remembering a decade from now? I can't think of a single one. That, to me, is why it won't be a classic. It's simply not that good.

Agreed.

Agreed. It was good (at the end) but not that good.

#25 Posted by linsanel_Doctor (1344 posts) - - Show Bio

Not likely?

#26 Posted by JakeN7 (12800 posts) - - Show Bio

God, everyone's so cynical.

#27 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

God, everyone's so cynical.

I dont think so,one of Snyder's major problems is that everything he writes invites comparisons to other stories.

#28 Posted by JakeN7 (12800 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

God, everyone's so cynical.

I dont think so,one of Snyder's major problems is that everything he writes invites comparisons to other stories.

Everything? I don't think anyone ever compared Black Mirror and Court of Owls to any other stories.

#29 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:
@entropy_aegis said:

@jaken7 said:

God, everyone's so cynical.

I dont think so,one of Snyder's major problems is that everything he writes invites comparisons to other stories.

Everything? I don't think anyone ever compared Black Mirror and Court of Owls to any other stories.

I'll give you BM but COO was blasted by many as a poor mans RIP.

#30 Posted by JakeN7 (12800 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:
@entropy_aegis said:

@jaken7 said:

God, everyone's so cynical.

I dont think so,one of Snyder's major problems is that everything he writes invites comparisons to other stories.

Everything? I don't think anyone ever compared Black Mirror and Court of Owls to any other stories.

I'll give you BM but COO was blasted by many as a poor mans RIP.

Really? I hadn't heard that before. What are even the similarities between them? They both feature a Batman that went insane?

#31 Posted by entropy_aegis (15472 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@jaken7 said:
@entropy_aegis said:

@jaken7 said:

God, everyone's so cynical.

I dont think so,one of Snyder's major problems is that everything he writes invites comparisons to other stories.

Everything? I don't think anyone ever compared Black Mirror and Court of Owls to any other stories.

I'll give you BM but COO was blasted by many as a poor mans RIP.

Really? I hadn't heard that before. What are even the similarities between them? They both feature a Batman that went insane?

Drugged,fatigued,injured Batman (to the verge of death only to pull off a miracle escape using his immense will)

The Black Glove,Court of Owls.

Dr Hurt/Thomas Wayne,Lincoln March/Thomas Wayne.

Both Thomas' spent time in Willow Wood Asylum.

Both organizations were suspected to be involved in the murder of Bruce's parents.

I'm not saying Snyder was ripping off Morrison seeing as some of these are silver age concepts,and the others are common story telling beats but all of them together at the same time and on the heels of Morrisons work itself? I dunno if it was intentional but what I do know is COO feels like an inferior version of RIP.