Snyders batman

Because some people think it makes them cool to hate things that are popular, and that if they compliment anything "mainstream" in the slightest, it instantly makes them a conformist. (Something they will never admit to.)

Scott Snyder's Batman = Awesome, in my book! (No pun intended.) (Pun intended.)

Not 100% yes but there is some blame yes,I say this because the Batman line wasn't like this before he showed up. We had Road Home back in 2010 which no one cared about. I wish writers would do what we saw in RIP,not only was RIP fantastic but so were Heart of Hush and the Great Leap.

@entropy_aegis: I agree, I've noticed that a lot of the stuff is a crossover which is quite annoying.

All the HATERS here... THEY BUY EVERY ISSUE OF SNYDER's BATMAN!!! They can tell you about every damn story arc ok. Comic book fans buy books to hate on them in these type of forums. So all of you enjoying SNYDER's Batman, don't listen to any of this bullcrap.

@dabee: that is the dumbest thing i've ever heard and i've read/heard a lot of stupid in my life. people like you always use that line to hide mediocrity.

You've just proven my point. People think it's cool of them to say things suck. Snyder's Batman is far from mediocre, and it will go down as a classic run. It's for that very reason that people give it undeserved criticism. The idea is "if I think something sucks, but everyone else thinks it's awesome, that makes me smarter than all of those phonies!" It's been going on for a while now.

ALSO! You said that you have read/heard a lot of stupid. (I commend you on that.) But you said what I said is the dumbest thing you've ever heard, which would normally make sense, but you have also acknowledged the existence of reading. In Layman's terms, if you are including both hearing and reading in your argument, why say what I typed is what you heard? It just strikes me as a bit bizarre.

Anyway, thanks for proving my point.

@dabee said:

These people then go onto praise other mainstream things thus proving that you're talking crap.

Have a nice day

Except there's plenty of legit complains in this thread. Also Morrison's run is being praised by the same people who don't like Snyder's and it's not like when Morrison starting writing Batman was suddenly indie.

Now I know some people do indeed hate on things for being popular but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Dabee and Blackdog are speaking truth.

@decoyelite: @fadetoblackbolt: I'm not talking about everyone who has ever said anything about Snyder's run other than it's amazing. I'm talking about the many people who will only say "Snyder's Batman sucks!!!!!" with little to no reasoning. I'm more talking about people who say that, and that likely haven't even picked up one of Snyder's Batman comics. (Which are a lot more people than you would think.)

I'm sorry if this got misconstrued as me saying everyone who's ever criticized a comic is just a non-conformist hipster, because after reading what I said again, yeah... it does kind of sound like that's what I'm saying.

@dabee: Ah, that makes more sense, I must admit I misread your intentions. Sorry if it seems like I jumped at your anything.

Another problem with Scott Snyder is that he's unwilling to follow up on his own status quo. What happened to the Dealer? and if it weren't for Batgirl and Suicide Squad James Jr would've disappeared in to obscurity. Likewise Snyder never followed up on Lincoln March,or the Bat family Post DOTF,they just distrust Bruce for reasons known only to them and not the reader,what happened to the Court Labyrinth? where the heck is it located? why didn't Batman go back there later?

Even Morrison's run left some plot threads hanging the most notable being Flamingo but Snyder takes it to a whole new level.

@dabee: i gave lengthy reasons why his batman sucks guy in THIS thread. so i bothered to reason my point, but, you being blinded the opportunity to defend something knowing you will get backup from fanboys, didnt read the whole thread or just ignored it and just started spewing idiot things left and right.

Scott Snyder's run is like McDonalds. If you look at the surface, it fills you up and tastes good. If you look deeper you realize that it tastes good to the unrefined, and that underneath it's surface it's nothing but a bunch of bull**** ingredients.

You couldn't be more incorrect.

I think his run has been pretty good. Don't know if I agree with people saying it butchers Bruce's character given that the New 52 allowed characters to be changed.

@peppeyhare: they said his character is mostly unchanged. like 85% unchanged. so yeah butchering.

@decoyelite: i just read the first volume of grant morrisons run on batman in "batman and son" and wow... you were right it doesn't even compare. I like all of the characters more and I care a lot more about everyone. its just categorically better....though I d still like Snyder's batman. but man. grants is just head and shoulders above Snyder's

@sog7dc: Think this comment is more of meant for Fade than, lol.

When Morrison gets a character he really gets a character. Check out his JLA run if you haven't already, fantastic stuff.

@decoyelite: Oh my bad lol. Im emotionally invested after the first two issues...it's th same feeling I had when I read allstar superman. And I would check out his JLA but I can't stomach the super-mullet

@sog7dc: He's not Super mullet the whole time and it's worth holding back your hate to try it.

@decoyelite: I suppose I hookahs let that get in the way. I'll try the first TPB and maybe grant will get me To buy his entire run

See, I've read much of Morrison's works also - including Batman and Son - and I disagree. Snyder's Batman, so far, is right up there with Morrison's in my opinion.

Morrison does certain things better than Snyder, and likewise Snyder does some things better than Morrison. It largely depends on the story, honestly.

@omnicrono: What do you think Snyder does better than Morrison? Just wondering.

Like what?

Wow. Are you seriously going to say that? So...because someone has a different opinion than you do, they don't have any credibility? Again, wow...

Look, I know you're the definitive voice of Batman comics, but people are allowed to have their own opinions.

Also, Death of the Family was nothing like Death in the Family and Zero Year is shaping up to be a very different origin story than Year One, and one that is just as good. And Year One is actually the first Batman story I ever read, so when I say that, I don't mean it lightly.

@omnicrono: I'm planning on reading court o owls again to get a better comparison. But I don't like the lack of actual detective work and martial arts and batman's intelligence in Snyders run so far

Zero Year might be a different story than Year One or could end up becoming one atleast eventually but the part that deals with the origin isn't really that different.

Excellent points across the board.

I was really on the Scott Snyder bandwagon for the first half of The Court of Owls story. The sweet taste of The Black Mirror was still in my mouth, and I loved his work there enough that I was actually showering his New 52 Batman issues with praise before I even read them. Halfway through the Owls fiasco, I began to realize that there was virtually nothing new or interesting being presented; it was just a compilation of old stories painted up with some force-fed owl/bat symbolism, and it went on far longer than it had to.

Death of the Family sucked, I downright hated it. Zero Year is a better, but it doesn't blow me away.

It hurts to say it, because I'm a big fan of Snyder on everything he writes EXCEPT for his Batman run, but its simply not good.

Well...his Superman stuff must be better then, Entropy likes it. And Fade too...maybe..

@imagineman16: I loved the first 3 issues of his Batman run,they were excellent,the fourth one was good,then after #5 it went downhill.

I really enjoy Snyder's writing but i think his stories are anti-climactic. For example, the Court of the Owls was like 12 issues? The climax was in the last issue en was rushed. The same can be said for The Death of Family. Both of those last issues were filled with dialogue and therefor maybe a bit of an disappointment for some readers. This Batman isn't the Batman like the one in Detective Comics who beats his opponents.
I like Snyder but i think he should come up with an ending for his stories before beginning.

@zeeguy91: no, not due to a difference of opinion. due to them being wrong. there's a difference.

Wow. Get over yourself.

Seriously? Is this the one thing that gets your ego up? Trying to belittle people on a comic book forum?

....Kind of pathetic.

Oh great, the self-righteous defender of all that is politically correct is back.

Haven't read it. Waiting for the trade.

Oh look, its the egotistical hipster who thinks he's the smartest person in the world.

...yippy.

Yup.

@zeeguy91 said:

I might be egotistical, but at least I'm willing to admit it.

I do love how the people who like dull things love to use the "hipster" argument. Could it be that the other person simply likes things that aren't generic garbage? Nope, can't be that, they must just hate it because it's cool.

Agreed with all the points, Bruce already had the chance to take the filament plates and I'm sure he already figured out how to escape before then why did he took 8 days to escape, Snyder wants us to believe that his villains are threatening when they are nothing more than something Bruce already deals on a weekly/monthly basis, his Batman is a weak, idiot, arrogant man who underestimates his opponents, cries when he's in pain, is afraid of silly things, can be sneaked up from behind and so much more or in this case less (seriously how did the Talon took his utility belt so easily), not to mention he adds nothing new to Batman mythos that can be considered good, on the contrary Snyder took everything that previous writers more noticeably Morrison has added to the mythos and destroyed it completely, his plots are weak, dialogues are uncharacteristic, his trying to go for something huge and epic but it always comes off as something small and disappointing, and yeah he's very unoriginal, I seriously doubt anyone will remember his run after its over.

Comparing Morrison's run with Snyder's is like comparing classic epics like Star Wars and LoTR to one time watch action flicks like the Transformers. Snyder's run is very forgettable and anyone would hardly read it for a second time. Morrison his the best Batman writer and should come back to write Batman for another 5 years minimum.

Agreed, his JLA and Batman runs are the best and All Star Superman is the definitive Superman story, now he's gonna write WW EO which I'm sure will be amazing.

I feel the same way. The first three were very good and the Alan Wayne stuff was interesting too. I've heard his Dick Grayson Batman run was good but now I think maybe it is overhyped too.

@rustyroy: Black Mirror was a great arc,Snyder got Dick's voice hands down and he established some cool new concepts andcharacters such as Wayne Industries having a high tech crime/forensic lab for the police from where Dick acted as a liaison,Sonia Branch and the Dealer(creepy old guy who auctions villain's weapons/items as merchandise.

But conversely I kinda hated what he did to James Gordon Jr,as a serial killer he was written perfectly,truly smart,savvy and capable of getting under your skin,it's just taking Gordon's son and making him Hannibal Lecter just didn't ring with me,still the best villain Snyder has written and the Joker was also written well there.

So overall it's definitely worth it but Snyder even then had the need to "change everything we know".

@zeeguy91: so what you're saying is 'let people get away with saying dumb things', right? very well. you are not to be called out for your posts. by me. from now on. the other people with working brains. can'ts speak for them.

@innervenom123: @decoyelite:

This is my opinion. I will be happy to provide more later, but I'm currently at work.

Here are at least two ways I think Snyder is better than Morrison:

• Less "Batgod" syndrome. Bruce's character is less infallible, and often much more believable/relatable, to me, because of it. Please, don't take this the wrong way. I love it when Batman shows off his genius intellect, as well as his astounding foresight and planning (I loved RIP and Return of Bruce Wayne), but Snyder knows how to showcase these abilities while still keeping the character a bit more grounded (so far). I'm all for
• Simple but intelligent story telling. Snyder, so far, has shown himself to be better at telling a thought provoking, emotional tale, without getting too bogged down in abstract ideas, self-reference, or heady jargon. He might sometimes beat a simple concept into your head over and over again (as with the owls-bats motif in Court of Owls), but never have l felt like I was drowning in a torrent of abstract notions and double entendre that serves to distract and confuse the mind more than engage it and lead it on a journey.

@omnicrono: Alright, don't exactly agree, but your complaints about Morrison are understandable.

Im not going to lie the writing is good, not great but good enough. The reason I like it so much is mainly the art I think its incredible and fits snyders writing really well.

Also I think snyder has been getting worse I love court of owls, but I am not liking zero year so far.

Snyder's Batman stories are good it's just the endings or last few issues to his arcs feel underdeveloped. For one in the Court of Owls Batman saying they do not exist because he searched for them when he was a kid and he just wanted them to exist.

Oh and I liked his story Black Mirror better than his new work.

Well, you really have no reason to have an ego. You're a poster on a comic book forum. Unless you're one who's also won a Nobel Peace Prize or something, you're really not someone to be taken seriously. I mean, even to the writers you constantly hate on, you're kind of insignificant. You feel like Snyder needs your approval? He still has thousands of fans. You have...what? Two people who like your reviews? Yeah, I've read them. They're basically the pedantic ramblings of a charlatan masquerading as an intellectual.

And I have no problem with you not liking Snyder's run. I could really care less. What I don't like is your superiority complex. You feel like you have throw vitriol at it and criticize people who don't share your opinion. If we were talking about something important, like climate change or foreign policy, where in many cases, one position is literally the right position, you're behavior might be more excusable. But these are comic books. Whether you like a certain writer or not is inherently subjective and you have no right to belittle someone else's opinion.

Really? That's what you're gonna go with?

Thanks for proving my point. It seems that this, making people feel inferior about something as insignificant as comic books, really is your claim to self-esteem.

Wow. I really couldn't say anything more that would make your comments look less pathetic, so I'm just gonna let the fact that you rely on a website to boost your ego sink in.