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Posted by lifeofvibe (3489 posts) 5 months, 4 days ago

Poll: least favorite bat family member? (105 votes)

batman 11%
batwoman 30%
dick 3%
damian 14%
tim 11%
jason 16%
alfred (say alfred and your dead) 3%
titus 12%

popularity contest ALL THE FREAKING TIME so how about an unpopularity contest

#51 Posted by iaconpoint (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

@supbatz: That may be true, but in keeping with the characterization of Bruce Wayne, he would not, in-story, allow someone who is not part of his family to run around in a Bat-costume unchecked. I'm talking in-story, not from a marketing standpoint.

#52 Posted by SupBatz (1734 posts) - - Show Bio

@iaconpoint: Perhaps. But there have been several instances where Bruce stepping in on Kate's activities. In Batwoman's first zero issue, he spend weeks observing both Kate Kane and Batwoman, ensuring that a.) he knew enough about her to take her down if necessary and b.) that she was doing things by his moral code. He also confronted her around issue 7 asking her if she wanted to be a part of Batman, Inc. And then again later on when Kate was working with the DEO, this time in a more adversarial way, that we have yet to see the conclusion to.

So Bruce is well aware of Kate's activities and has kept checks on her. He's also, on several occasions, approached her and expressed discontent with some of her decisions (primarily the DEO).

But in any case, I don't think that Bruce feels the right to "not allow" someone to act as a vigilante if said person proves himself/herself capable of handling themself and displays a willingness to operate under a moral code that he approves of. I mean, we don't see him regulating the activities (at least not to a large extent) of other Gotham-based heroes in the past (Question, Azreal, Manhunter, Black Canary [on occasion]). The only difference between these heroes and Kate is that she actually uses the Bat in her name, which may warrant Bruce keeping a closer eye in her, but not necessarily forbidding her to use it so long as she operates by his rules.

All in my opinion, of course.

#53 Edited by entropy_aegis (15319 posts) - - Show Bio

Bit surprised to see Batwoman so high.Harper Row would be my answer,I'm willing to give the character a chance but I dont see what she brings to the table,Carrie Kelly as well,thankfully Tomasi shelved her.

@supbatz: That may be true, but in keeping with the characterization of Bruce Wayne, he would not, in-story, allow someone who is not part of his family to run around in a Bat-costume unchecked. I'm talking in-story, not from a marketing standpoint.

She's a member of Batman INC.

#54 Posted by Alexander505 (2144 posts) - - Show Bio

batwoman

#55 Posted by iaconpoint (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

Bit surprised to see Batwoman so high.Harper Row would be my answer,I'm willing to give the character a chance but I dont see what she brings to the table,Carrie Kelly as well,thankfully Tomasi shelved her.

@iaconpoint said:

@supbatz: That may be true, but in keeping with the characterization of Bruce Wayne, he would not, in-story, allow someone who is not part of his family to run around in a Bat-costume unchecked. I'm talking in-story, not from a marketing standpoint.

She's a member of Batman INC.

Oh crap, I'd forgotten about that. D'oh! I'll have to change my vote to Barbara because I prefer her as Oracle and of the way they have treated Stephanie before Eternal came out.

#56 Edited by lifeofvibe (3489 posts) - - Show Bio

wow i am very suprise to see batman and batwoman so high also my prodiction was wrong

#57 Edited by Jphu8414 (3731 posts) - - Show Bio

*Sees 10% for Titus, 13% for Batman, and 2% for Alfred*

#58 Posted by lifeofvibe (3489 posts) - - Show Bio
#59 Posted by TheCheeseStabber (8106 posts) - - Show Bio
@the_tree said:

@xwraith: Damian's dog.

Woow Woow Woow

He was there before Damian he'll be here long after (and still is)

Hes Bruce Waynes Dog

#60 Posted by HighlyEvolved (313 posts) - - Show Bio
#61 Posted by Ninjablade09 (3165 posts) - - Show Bio

Alfred.

Not really, I'm not a fan of Damian.

#62 Posted by PunyParker (10982 posts) - - Show Bio

Not really, I'm not a fan of Damian.

I HATE THE BRAT!

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#63 Posted by JakeN7 (12451 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_tree said:

@xwraith: Damian's dog.

Woow Woow Woow

He was there before Damian he'll be here long after (and still is)

Hes Bruce Waynes Dog

No, he most certainly was not.

#64 Posted by JakeN7 (12451 posts) - - Show Bio

@ninjablade09 said:

Not really, I'm not a fan of Damian.

I HAVEN'T READ ANY COMICS THAT ARE LESS THAN 2-3 YEARS OLD WITH THE BRAT!

*Fixed. :P

#65 Posted by dagmar_merrill (8633 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason.

#66 Edited by TheCheeseStabber (8106 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

@thecheesestabber said:
@the_tree said:

@xwraith: Damian's dog.

Woow Woow Woow

He was there before Damian he'll be here long after (and still is)

Hes Bruce Waynes Dog

No, he most certainly was not.

...It was Ace before Titus!

#67 Edited by PunyParker (10982 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

@punyparker said:
@ninjablade09 said:

Not really, I'm not a fan of Damian.

I HAVEN'T READ ANY COMICS THAT ARE LESS THAN 2-3 YEARS OLD WITH THE BRAT!

*Fixed. :P

The brat exists for 8 yrs,so its not that of a difference.... ;)

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#68 Posted by JakeN7 (12451 posts) - - Show Bio

@punyparker: It's a titanic difference. That Damian was not this Damian. It's called character development and growth. There is hardly anyone who still thinks he's a brat, and those that do are ignorant about the character (like you).

#69 Edited by sentryman555 (771 posts) - - Show Bio

I chose Batwoman. I don't mind her as a character but I feel like she shouldn't wear the bat symbol.

#70 Posted by Jayc1324 (12278 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman barely let Tim drake become Robin and never lets other superheroes come into Gotham and do stuff without his permission. He has even told the justice league to stay out before. There's no way he would let a random girl wear a bat and be batwoman. He would tell her to give it up like he did numerous times to others. Batwoman literally should not be allowed to exist, batman just wouldn't have that.

That said, as a character she hasn't done anything to make me hate her (aside fromwearing the bat symbol) so Damian is still the worst.

#71 Edited by Jayc1324 (12278 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7: it's fair to say that he was still a brat when he died. Less of a brat but still a brat. He had yet to grow to the level of maturity of any of the other robins.

#72 Posted by PunyParker (10982 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

@punyparker: It's a titanic difference. That Damian was not this Damian. It's called character development and growth. There is hardly anyone who still thinks he's a brat, and those that do are ignorant about the character (like you).

I have an opinion.
I don't like him.
That's it.

@jayc1324 said:

That said, as a character she hasn't done anything to make me hate her (aside fromwearing the bat symbol) so Damian is still the worst.

Thank you.

And i really sympathise to Tim.......really like this guy,and think he wouldbe even better if not for the Damian-Bruce death thing.

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#73 Posted by Jayc1324 (12278 posts) - - Show Bio

@punyparker: Tim is my favorite member after batman. He really got screwed when Damian came along, just for Damian to die later on. Granted, we did get to see him in his own red robin series but he slowly started to become less and less important after Damian showed up. Looks like that could all be changing in batman eternal though

#74 Posted by JakeN7 (12451 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@jaken7: it's fair to say that he was still a brat when he died. Less of a brat but still a brat. He had yet to grow to the level of maturity of any of the other robins.

Dat growth though!

@jaken7 said:

@punyparker: It's a titanic difference. That Damian was not this Damian. It's called character development and growth. There is hardly anyone who still thinks he's a brat, and those that do are ignorant about the character (like you).

I have an opinion.

I don't like him.

That's it.

@jayc1324 said:

That said, as a character she hasn't done anything to make me hate her (aside fromwearing the bat symbol) so Damian is still the worst.

Thank you.

And i really sympathise to Tim.......really like this guy,and think he wouldbe even better if not for the Damian-Bruce death thing.

Yes, but it's an uneducated opinion. What if I'd only read Superior Spider-Man, and so I thought SpOck was the best Spider-Man?

#75 Posted by PunyParker (10982 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@punyparker: Tim is my favorite member after batman. He really got screwed when Damian came along, just for Damian to die later on. Granted, we did get to see him in his own red robin series but he slowly started to become less and less important after Damian showed up. Looks like that could all be changing in batman eternal though

Well,my favorite member after Bruce is Dick as Nightwing,but Tim is a really likeable character......if im not wrong he's the less wisecracking Robin,right?.....

And i have to confess,i hate the idea of the "Robin" character in general......the kiddish sidekick.....
Although i dont hate any Robin except Damian,on the contrary i love both 3,but the idea of Robin never attracted me......Nightwing,Red Hood and Red Robin are better suited for them.

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#76 Posted by PunyParker (10982 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

What if I'd only read Superior Spider-Man, and so I thought SpOck was the best Spider-Man?

There are people who do,believe me....

I just dont/didn't like his arrogance,and his general style.
He had his momments,okay,but i still can't find myself liking him....

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#77 Posted by JakeN7 (12451 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

What if I'd only read Superior Spider-Man, and so I thought SpOck was the best Spider-Man?

There are people who do,believe me....

I just dont/didn't like his arrogance,and his general style.

He had his momments,okay,but i still can't find myself liking him....

Alright, alright, fair enough. Damian's still arrogant as hell. It's part of his charm. It's become endearing now that he's not such an a**hole.

#78 Edited by Jayc1324 (12278 posts) - - Show Bio

@punyparker: yeah tim definitely doesn't wisecrack as much as dick or even Jason but he's still playful and very likeable.

I like the robin idea but I do agree they are better eventually going on their own. But I like seeing then bond and work with Batman first. No sidekick of Batman's lasts forever so I try to enjoy them working with him while it lasts. Have you heard of bluebird?

#79 Posted by youknowwhattodo (1149 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7: There are some people out there that believe that SpOck was a better Spider-Man because he was the more effective one. It has merits even if I disagree with the opinion.

Not everyone has to like Damian Wayne and while his persona did soften up in the new 52, I can still see why people view him as a jerk.

#80 Posted by Experio (16031 posts) - - Show Bio

Batwoman

#81 Posted by lifeofvibe (3489 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7: ive read all about that character and i hat em he a brat

#82 Posted by JakeN7 (12451 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7: ive read all about that character and i hat em he a brat

I doubt it, and no he's not.

#83 Posted by Volfgang (24 posts) - - Show Bio

Batwoman but i vote in Batman for the Arkham Origins bugs

#84 Edited by JulieDC (957 posts) - - Show Bio

Damian Wayne, I don't think I'll ever be able to call him "Robin" because in my eyes, he isn't, heck its already asking too much of me to even call him "Damian Wayne" since I see him as an al-Ghul. I just can't get into dark and edgy characters and he reminds me too much of today's kids and after having to deal with teenagers a few months ago, I don't want any reminders.

#85 Posted by MaccyD (4062 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman himself, lululululululululul.

#86 Posted by redleader1 (508 posts) - - Show Bio
#87 Posted by Squalleon (4610 posts) - - Show Bio

Tim. After and during the Battle of the Cowl his character became too brattish for me.
I don't see any reason why people would hate Batwoman, maybe because she isn't a hardcore member?

#88 Posted by waezi2 (7586 posts) - - Show Bio
#89 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21870 posts) - - Show Bio

I voted Tim, but I don't know Batwoman.

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#90 Posted by HighlyEvolved (313 posts) - - Show Bio

Dick. Just so freaking bland and unoriginal. Jason is by far my favorite.

#91 Edited by darkhunter89 (528 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL. How can some of you batman?

#92 Posted by MasterDetective (834 posts) - - Show Bio

Batwoman.

#93 Posted by MasterDetective (834 posts) - - Show Bio

Batwoman.

#94 Posted by Wardishy (711 posts) - - Show Bio

My least favourite Bat-family member isn't on this list.

I don't like Barbara Gordon.

#95 Edited by Vitalius (1947 posts) - - Show Bio

@bruxae:

He beated Huntress which she is adult daughter of Batman and Catwoman of Earth 2

#96 Edited by Transformers1024 (1918 posts) - - Show Bio

Crap, I accidentally clicked Titus when I really meant Damian. I am glad that little piece of $hit is dead.

Why does everyone hate Batwoman?

#97 Posted by Bruxae (13883 posts) - - Show Bio

@vitalius said:

@bruxae:

He beated Huntress which she is adult daughter of Batman and Catwoman of Earth 2

Yeah, that is a big part of why I dislike him. They are both Batman's children but of course the boy has to win even though he hasn't even gotten his pubes yet.

#98 Posted by Vitalius (1947 posts) - - Show Bio

@bruxae:

That last part is kind gross. Even if Earth-2 Batman isnt skilled as Batman from Prime-Earth, she was trainned by Batman and Catwoman probably other members of Earth-2. And Helena is probably at her prime age while Damien probably just begin enter on that phase.

#99 Edited by ComicStooge (12849 posts) - - Show Bio

@bruxae said:

@vitalius said:

@bruxae:

He beated Huntress which she is adult daughter of Batman and Catwoman of Earth 2

Yeah, that is a big part of why I dislike him. They are both Batman's children but of course the boy has to win even though he hasn't even gotten his pubes yet.

The boy is the rightful heir of Batman.

Not because he's a boy, but because he deserves to wear the 'R' more than anyone ever has. ;)

#100 Edited by SupBatz (1734 posts) - - Show Bio

Why does everyone hate Batwoman?

The general consensus (which I do not think merits disliking the character) seems to be that she is not really a member of the Bat-Family. The fact that she is largely unaffiliated with Bruce and the rest of his cohorts makes her the odd one out when voting.

Personally, I don't think that she should have been included on this list. Same with Titus. Both are not really members of Bruce's Bat-Family. If anything, Kate's Bat-Family (herself, Bette, Jacob, Maggie, Montoya) is a completely separate entity.

So the way I see it, the choices to voice for should have been:

Bruce, Dick, Barbara, Jason, Tim, Cassandra, Stephanie, Damian, Selina, Alfred, Helena (Wayne and/or Bertinelli), and Gordon.

But if Batwoman had to be included in the voting, then other characters in Batman Inc also should have been included for more variety. I guarantee the results would have been far different had this been the case.