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#1 Posted by AtlasAnimationz (15 posts) - - Show Bio

Hey guys,

Regardless of your feelings about Ben Affleck playing Batman, I think we can all agree that Batman is a more interesting and captivating character. Simply put, better in every way than Superman as highlighted in the video below.

So how about it? Think this is how Batman vs Superman should turn out?

#2 Posted by RustyRoy (12769 posts) - - Show Bio

lol

#3 Edited by ULTRAstarkiller (6183 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice

#4 Posted by Farkam (4890 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman gonna get rekt.

#5 Posted by youknowwhattodo (1160 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah that second is why I always have trouble feeling sympathy for Bruce Wayne lol. It's one of the reasons why I don't feel sorry for DiCaprio not winning an oscar, sure I should care but he's probably at home right now with half of the Victoria Secret models.

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#6 Posted by Saren (25681 posts) - - Show Bio

There is now only one way it turns out!

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#7 Posted by lifeofvibe (3489 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren: I wonder if that counts as a win for Batman

#8 Posted by Saren (25681 posts) - - Show Bio

@lifeofvibe: It should, Pak actually specified that they weren't holding back.

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#9 Posted by Experio (16065 posts) - - Show Bio

Thats exactly how it should go.

#10 Posted by batzilla (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

There is now only one way it turns out!

Where is that scan from?

#11 Posted by dondave (37535 posts) - - Show Bio
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#12 Posted by TDK_1997 (14896 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@lifeofvibe: It should, Pak actually specified that they weren't holding back.

Wasn't Superman holding back?

#13 Edited by Lvenger (20008 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@lifeofvibe: It should, Pak actually specified that they weren't holding back.

Can you provide a link of where he said that please? I haven't seen this reply from Pak but I already have my problems with it, namely due to events from Morrison's run. Plus if Superman was really not holding back well... :P

#14 Posted by RustyRoy (12769 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@saren said:

@lifeofvibe: It should, Pak actually specified that they weren't holding back.

Can you provide a link of where he said that please? I haven't seen this reply from Pak but I already have my problems with it, namely due to events from Morrison's run. Plus if Superman was really not holding back well... :P

I don't think he was holding back much, although Mongul's son punched him really hard after he was weakened so that's not a fair one on one match, he looked pretty bad after the punch.

#15 Posted by Lvenger (20008 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: I'd need to check out the issue to see that but that makes sense.

#16 Posted by RustyRoy (12769 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: Yeah, I think he even mentioned that the fight tilted towards Batman's team after that punch.

#17 Posted by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, because we all know Knite affects Superman like it did in the annual... Oh wait.

#18 Edited by Lvenger (20008 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: Exactly, he even got beaten up by Super Doom beforehand as well

#19 Edited by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: Totally, in that arc he fought: A Red Knite Man, A Green Knite Man, a Blue Knite Man, SuperDoom, a Kryptonian, and a 5D Imp, ALL AT ONCE. And if I remember right, the Sun even turned Red at one point.

#20 Posted by JakeN7 (12522 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: They say it in the issue several times. Warworld and it's inhabitants are experts at fighting, and will certainly know if they are holding back. If Batman and Superman hold back at all, then they destroy Earth. Batman and Superman both agreed not too.

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#21 Posted by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7: And if you read the issue, Warwold attacks... BECAUSE they hold back.

#22 Posted by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

Its also interesting that Pak contradicts himself in issue 1 of Superman/Batman.

#23 Edited by JakeN7 (12522 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: Because Batman refused to kill Superman. There's a titanic difference there guy.

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#24 Posted by JakeN7 (12522 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: I'm curious as to how he contradicted himself. Not that I don't believe you, just that I don't know what you're talking about.

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#25 Edited by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7: The fight only lasts about 5 hits/panels before the crowd jumps in. So imo, there isn really enough content to say "Nobody was holding back because the crowd didnt attack," because ultimately, they did attack.

Anyway regardless, if you interpret it that way, then its definite PIS of the highest magnitude.

#26 Posted by JakeN7 (12522 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: I never claimed it wasn't PIS, but it was definitely a lengthy enough fight. That was a huge chunk of Kryptonite though. Superman still should've won, but Morrison's "everything Superman is weak too" resistance feat is also complete PIS. It goes both ways.

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#27 Edited by Vitalius (1947 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Posted by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

@deaditegonzo: I never claimed it wasn't PIS, but it was definitely a lengthy enough fight. That was a huge chunk of Kryptonite though. Superman still should've won, but Morrison's "everything Superman is weak too" resistance feat is also complete PIS. It goes both ways.

Well to defend Morrison a bit, Superman also fought Kryptonite Man and "Metal Zero" so there is support for Superman fighting through his weaknesses. Other than when Batman holds it, Superman is never weakened so much by KNite that he can be easily defeated by even high tier characters. In fact, Pak himself had Supes pummel Batman (with Knite) in Superman/Batman issue #1.

#29 Posted by JakeN7 (12522 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: Wasn't that when they first met though? With 5 years less experience for the both of them?

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#30 Edited by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

@deaditegonzo: Wasn't that when they first met though? With 5 years less experience for the both of them?

Well, it was Earth2 Batman who had the Knite. However, regardless of experience of the wielder, the Knite itself shouldnt react differently from comic to comic, the radiation should always have the same effect. In the most recent issue, the Knite affected Supes from across the arena, and made him vulnerable to human punches. It had more effect than it even had stories like Hush.

Honestly, this is why i am so glad there is no Knite in the Movieverse, its such a mess.

#31 Edited by Dernman (15110 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: I think we can all agree that the amount Kryptonite effects Kryptonians is just way too inconsistent to be anything other than a plot device.

Personal opinion I don't think that's how a fight between those two would turn out. Not even close.

#32 Posted by JakeN7 (12522 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: Well I got the impression that it was affected more by direct contact (he basically used it as brass knuckles almost. He held it as he punched.) Anyways, Kryptonite has never once showed the same effects twice.

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#33 Edited by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7: It takes effect here. I also wonder how much that hit from Mongul's son hurt him in a "weakened" state. Considering Mongul himself was a match for a full powered Man of Steel.

#34 Posted by Squares (6644 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't care how it ends, I'm not planning on seeing it.

#35 Edited by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

Also want to note, in the scan above Superman mentions dragging the battle out (as their plan the whole time was to just hold out long enough for Steel and Batgirl), which definitely implies that for his part he was holding back (instead of instantly ending the battle with a planet shaking punch at lightspeed).

#36 Edited by JakeN7 (12522 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: You contradicted yourself. You said Mongul was more than a match for a full-powered Superman, but post a scan of his son (who you admit has similar strength levels) punching him as evidence that Superman was already weakened. That doesn't make sense. :P

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#37 Edited by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7: No, its not Mongul's son hitting him that implies Supes was weakened, and I dont even know if Jochi (sp?) is near Mongul in stats, its the fact that Superman himself says so. And I think its silly that it had much effect at all, but eh.

I was just wondering how much damage a hit like that would affect him, considering the PIS had him "weakened".

#38 Posted by joshmightbe (24885 posts) - - Show Bio

How come no one ever points out that the only way Batman ever beats Superman is the way literally anyone can beat Superman? Using Kryptonite to take down Superman isn't impressive, its like taking down a rat with rat poison.

#39 Posted by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

How come no one ever points out that the only way Batman ever beats Superman is the way literally anyone can beat Superman? Using Kryptonite to take down Superman isn't impressive, its like taking down a rat with rat poison.

I think it is impressive, because Batman's own plot powers combine with kryptonite and make its effects far greater than when any other character uses it.

#40 Edited by JakeN7 (12522 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: Well wasn't Clark saying that weakening him WILL be the safest bet, not that he's already weakened? And when Jochi punches him, Clark's statement about it being unbalanced felt more like he was talking about Jochi being on Bruce's team to begin with. At least, that's how I interpreted it. I could be wrong.

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#41 Posted by joshmightbe (24885 posts) - - Show Bio
#42 Edited by THEOCITYLEGEND (1208 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL

#43 Posted by THEOCITYLEGEND (1208 posts) - - Show Bio

How come no one ever points out that the only way Batman ever beats Superman is the way literally anyone can beat Superman? Using Kryptonite to take down Superman isn't impressive, its like taking down a rat with rat poison.

Likely because Batman is the only hero known to stockpile it.

#44 Posted by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7: I dont necessarily think you're wrong, I simply think that was a vague fight. Just as an example, if Batman had him so weakened and beat down, how did Supes fly out of Warworld at super speed and seemingly direct it towards his phantom zone projector (which btw is the most impressive thing in the issue, Supes BFRs A MOON SIZED OBJECT).

#45 Posted by JakeN7 (12522 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7: I dont necessarily think you're wrong, I simply think that was a vague fight. Just as an example, if Batman had him so weakened and beat down, how did Supes fly out of Warworld at super speed and seemingly direct it towards his phantom zone projector (which btw is the most impressive thing in the issue, Supes BFRs A MOON SIZED OBJECT).

Wasn't it because he wasn't near the Kryptonite anymore?

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#46 Posted by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

@deaditegonzo said:

@jaken7: I dont necessarily think you're wrong, I simply think that was a vague fight. Just as an example, if Batman had him so weakened and beat down, how did Supes fly out of Warworld at super speed and seemingly direct it towards his phantom zone projector (which btw is the most impressive thing in the issue, Supes BFRs A MOON SIZED OBJECT).

Wasn't it because he wasn't near the Kryptonite anymore?

Well, he's like a battery, and Knite destroys his reserves, so presumably, if he was really being weakened by the knite to the extent a normal human could bloody his face, then he should need a recharge for a bit. But that wasnt the case. It was just a weirdly written book overall.

#47 Posted by joshmightbe (24885 posts) - - Show Bio
#48 Edited by RustyRoy (12769 posts) - - Show Bio

Its also interesting that Pak contradicts himself in issue 1 of Superman/Batman.

No he didn't. That thing Batman was carying wasn't Knite at all and was calibrated to weaken E2 Superman, he even turned down the defenses when he saw Superman/boy.

#49 Edited by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: No, in the comic he actually calls it Kryptonite (an automated defense that Superman told him to make so he is always prepared), he deactivates the Knite shield, and then Superman hurls the rock out into a field as B-Man is getting ready to put it away. Want me to post scans?

Sheesh, know the material.

And yes, Batman claims it was calibrated to Superman's "current levels" (T-shirt Superman), but then he shouts that something was wrong, and Clark still yanks it away from him and tosses it, and has most of his fight left.

#50 Edited by RustyRoy (12769 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: No Superboy calls it Kryptonite, not E2 Batman. And it wasn't Kryptonite and was calibrated to E2 Superman's levels and that's why it went wrong. Don't tell me about knowing the material when you yourself don't know it. E2 Batman could've beaten Superboy easily but clearly he didn't wanted to fight, in fact as you said he turned of all his defenses.

This is rock. It was emitting Knite radiation to weaken E2 Superman not T-Shirt Superboy