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#1 Posted by JuJuTrain91 (26 posts) - - Show Bio

And by that I mean, has there ever been a good reason given by the writers why Batman hasn't killed the Joker. I'm only specifically talking about the Joker because I find it hard to believe someone in GCPD or Batman wouldn't have killed him.

Yes I know the reason is that once Batman goes down that path there's no turning back, but I really don't buy that at all when it comes to the Joker, the guy is a genuine monster. At the very least he should do a Batman Begins and not kill him but let him die in one of his own schemes rather than save him like he sometimes does. I also don't think he lets him live because he would miss him if he were gone, but it's an interesting concept.

So has anyone ever seen a different take on the reason why he won't kill him, or is the no turning back reason the only one, because I kind of feel like that's a cop out. Anyone have any interesting ideas of their own?

(Also as a side note, have any of his other villains done things that are outrageously psychopathic to put them near on a par with Joker that you think he really should have killed them too?)

(Also, I understand they obviously wouldn't kill off these villains as they are awesome, just wondering if you'd seen any good reasoning)

#2 Edited by Primebonnick (3730 posts) - - Show Bio

the only thing i can think of is the plot. Other than that nope hell even frank miller had to write that batman was tired of joker's crap and was ready to kill him

#3 Posted by KidChipotle (14736 posts) - - Show Bio

According to Arkham Asylum, he is not mentally sane which is why he doesn't get the death penalty.

#4 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (16265 posts) - - Show Bio

Because he is The Joker.

No, killing means life is worthless, nothing matter, since nothing matter there is no such thing like good an evil, right and wrong, no point on going foward or being alive.

If Batman kills The Joker just points this to be true, Jason also failed at killing the Joker for the fact he notice this.

What is the point of helping people, if there is not point in life and being dead or alive dont matter.

#5 Edited by Marionettegeist (1936 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000: You'd still think some random cop would have shot him after Batman knocked him out.

#6 Posted by ssejllenrad (13028 posts) - - Show Bio

Easy answer for a simple question... He's a goddamn cashcow.

#7 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (16265 posts) - - Show Bio

@dctv3363 said:

@deathpoolthet1000: You'd still think some random cop would have shot him after Batman knocked him out.

Maybe they never got the chance or James Gordon save his life every time they try to do this.

He wanted that Batman show him, that what they do matter and he was wrong about society and social rules.

#8 Posted by russellmania77 (16857 posts) - - Show Bio

Because batman isn't a sell out like every other hero these days

#9 Posted by Hazlenaut (2096 posts) - - Show Bio

They did electrocution but somehow he came back. I think he learned a trick from Lord Deathman

#10 Edited by KraytRawk (697 posts) - - Show Bio

The joker isn't real. Never was. He is just Bruce's split personality. The image of the clown is just a figment of Bruces imagination. Its a symbol for lost innoence, Bruce lost his innocence when he was a boy, watching his parents die. its only poetic that he would imagine a murderous clown. A sad mental barrier for a boy who went insane at age 8.

#11 Posted by QueenCorp15 (1058 posts) - - Show Bio

@jujutrain91: joker got shot in the head in grant morrisons run

#12 Posted by cameron83 (7868 posts) - - Show Bio

Because batman isn't a sell out like every other hero these days

Sell out??

Simply because they kill doesn't make them sellouts.

If that's what you were insinuating.

#13 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (7790 posts) - - Show Bio

Causr hes the Motherf*cking Joker

#14 Edited by Jack Donaghy (1312 posts) - - Show Bio

Because he's too popular to be killed off bringing in money is like its own superpower.

#15 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (16265 posts) - - Show Bio

@cameron83 said:

@russellmania77 said:

Because batman isn't a sell out like every other hero these days

Sell out??

Simply because they kill doesn't make them sellouts.

If that's what you were insinuating.

If a character didnt kill because it was part of his personallity and wasnt an antihero, but then for the sake of being cool start killing and became an antihero, that is being a sell out, is a normal thing in comics.

#16 Edited by The Stegman (29583 posts) - - Show Bio

Great. Another "Batman should kill Joker" thread.

#17 Posted by Xwraith (27002 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman without the Joker is, as the saying goes, like Paris without the Eiffel Tower.

#18 Posted by MatteoPG (1950 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker is at a point where he represents more than a simple supervillain. He would love nothing better than to be killed by Batman, and that's the point. If Batman did it, he would have failed and rendered meaningless all these years of trying to uphold his code.

Also, you have to think that this is a story about a hero and a villain. If a random cop killed him, unless the story was amazingly well written, we would feel a little cheated.

If you want to argue about the plausibility of such a thing... well, it's just as plausible a simple human being able to do what Batman does without being 11 months a year in the hospital.

#19 Posted by teddy_the_god_killer (339 posts) - - Show Bio

If they got rid of the Eiffel Tower people would get used to it. There is still l'Arc de Triomphe, Sacré Couer, Notre Dame, le Louvre. There is always something else, the tragic loss of the Twin Towers is a prime example. They put something else in its place. There are always options. The loss rarely effects the definition of the whole. The Joker could go, but he would probably take Batman with him. It is the only story big enough to warrant it.

#20 Posted by MatteoPG (1950 posts) - - Show Bio

If they got rid of the Eiffel Tower people would get used to it. There is still l'Arc de Triomphe, Sacré Couer, Notre Dame, le Louvre. There is always something else, the tragic loss of the Twin Towers is a prime example. They put something else in its place. There are always options. The loss rarely effects the definition of the whole. The Joker could go, but he would probably take Batman with him. It is the only story big enough to warrant it.

Interesting.

#21 Posted by Marionettegeist (1936 posts) - - Show Bio

The joker isn't real. Never was. He is just Bruce's split personality. The image of the clown is just a figment of Bruces imagination. Its a symbol for lost innoence, Bruce lost his innocence when he was a boy, watching his parents die. its only poetic that he would imagine a murderous clown. A sad mental barrier for a boy who went insane at age 8.

This needs to be an else-worlds story.

#22 Edited by MatteoPG (1950 posts) - - Show Bio

@dctv3363 said:

@kraytrawk said:

The joker isn't real. Never was. He is just Bruce's split personality. The image of the clown is just a figment of Bruces imagination. Its a symbol for lost innoence, Bruce lost his innocence when he was a boy, watching his parents die. its only poetic that he would imagine a murderous clown. A sad mental barrier for a boy who went insane at age 8.

This needs to be an else-worlds story.

Took the words out of my mouth. Of course it should be else-world... it wouldn't stand to logic with a lot of stuff the Joker did. But it would be fun :)

#23 Posted by Marionettegeist (1936 posts) - - Show Bio

@matteopg said:

@dctv3363 said:

@kraytrawk said:

The joker isn't real. Never was. He is just Bruce's split personality. The image of the clown is just a figment of Bruces imagination. Its a symbol for lost innoence, Bruce lost his innocence when he was a boy, watching his parents die. its only poetic that he would imagine a murderous clown. A sad mental barrier for a boy who went insane at age 8.

This needs to be an else-worlds story.

Took the words out of my mouth. Of course it should be else-world... it wouldn't stand to logic with a lot of stuff the Joker did. But it would be fun :)

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#24 Posted by MatteoPG (1950 posts) - - Show Bio

@dctv3363: Ah ah ah, doesn't make sense! Awesome!

#25 Posted by KraytRawk (697 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, it actually did happen once . . . If you have read The Killing Joke, batman kills the Joker at the end. Thats why the laughing abruptly stopped. Moore wrote the last Batman/Joker story that ever need to be told.

#26 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (16265 posts) - - Show Bio

@kraytrawk said:

Well, it actually did happen once . . . If you have read The Killing Joke, batman kills the Joker at the end. Thats why the laughing abruptly stopped. Moore wrote the last Batman/Joker story that ever need to be told.


#27 Posted by KraytRawk (697 posts) - - Show Bio

@kraytrawk said:

Well, it actually did happen once . . . If you have read The Killing Joke, batman kills the Joker at the end. Thats why the laughing abruptly stopped. Moore wrote the last Batman/Joker story that ever need to be told.

Itz tru dawg

#28 Posted by DecoyElite (4021 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000 said:

@kraytrawk said:

Well, it actually did happen once . . . If you have read The Killing Joke, batman kills the Joker at the end. Thats why the laughing abruptly stopped. Moore wrote the last Batman/Joker story that ever need to be told.

Itz tru dawg

Lol, there's nothing in the script about it so it's not likely the case.

#29 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (16265 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000 said:

@kraytrawk said:

Well, it actually did happen once . . . If you have read The Killing Joke, batman kills the Joker at the end. Thats why the laughing abruptly stopped. Moore wrote the last Batman/Joker story that ever need to be told.

Itz tru dawg

#30 Edited by Outside_85 (12162 posts) - - Show Bio

Because he is pretty much considered the greatest comicbook villain, so killing him would be like hacking off your own leg to prove a point.

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#31 Posted by PeppeyHare (4328 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000 said:

@kraytrawk said:

Well, it actually did happen once . . . If you have read The Killing Joke, batman kills the Joker at the end. Thats why the laughing abruptly stopped. Moore wrote the last Batman/Joker story that ever need to be told.

Itz tru dawg

Not really. Just because Grant Morrison interpreted it differently than everyone else on the face of the earth, doesn't make it true.

#32 Edited by KraytRawk (697 posts) - - Show Bio

@decoyelite said:

@kraytrawk said:

@deathpoolthet1000 said:

@kraytrawk said:

Well, it actually did happen once . . . If you have read The Killing Joke, batman kills the Joker at the end. Thats why the laughing abruptly stopped. Moore wrote the last Batman/Joker story that ever need to be told.

Itz tru dawg

Lol, there's nothing in the script about it so it's not likely the case.

The reason its not in the script is because Moore and Bolland want to leave it ambiguous. If it wasn't so ambiguous it wouldn't have been that big of a deal. But since it only hints at it, it allows people to wonder and discuss it 30 years from when it was published. Okay. Prepare for analysis of the end of The Killing Joke.First off the name "The Killing Joke." Why is it called that? Because Joker tells the killing joke at the end. . . .

Isn't it entirely possible that the joke is alluding to Batman & Joker? "Two Lunatics in an asylum." "Now the first guy, he jumps right across with no problem." Alluding to Joker? "His friend daredn't make the leap. y'see, hes afraid of falling." Alluding to Batman and his fear of going down the path of killing his enemies because he would just fall into darkness. Joker gets to the punch line, and laughs, followed by Batman returning a laugh. A laugh of madness. . .

You see they're both laughing out of madness. Batman reaches out and places his hand on Jokers shoulder. Then both are off panel and . . . the laughter abruptly stops . . . giving the impression that possibly Batman has his hand over Jokers throat? Its not entirely obvious what happened yet, but . . . then the light goes out. That is a symbol. Refering back to the joke Joker told. The beam of light that would bridge the gap between buildings, it turned of as Batman began to cross . . . and he fell into darkness.

#33 Posted by DecoyElite (4021 posts) - - Show Bio

@kraytrawk: As good ol' BB put it: "I too strangle people by their shoulders".

Joker was taken away, not killed.

#34 Posted by BigCimmerian (10098 posts) - - Show Bio

The joker isn't real. Never was. He is just Bruce's split personality. The image of the clown is just a figment of Bruces imagination. Its a symbol for lost innoence, Bruce lost his innocence when he was a boy, watching his parents die. its only poetic that he would imagine a murderous clown. A sad mental barrier for a boy who went insane at age 8.

This is actually creepy as f**k, but it's not true.

#35 Posted by Joygirl (20854 posts) - - Show Bio

To ensure the survival of these threads.

#36 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (16265 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl said:

To ensure the survival of these threads.

Fear your mighty powers!!!

#37 Posted by KraytRawk (697 posts) - - Show Bio

@kraytrawk said:

The joker isn't real. Never was. He is just Bruce's split personality. The image of the clown is just a figment of Bruces imagination. Its a symbol for lost innoence, Bruce lost his innocence when he was a boy, watching his parents die. its only poetic that he would imagine a murderous clown. A sad mental barrier for a boy who went insane at age 8.

This is actually creepy as f**k, but it's not true.

Nah. Of course its not true. Just a fan-fic i'm working on.

#38 Posted by soduh2 (962 posts) - - Show Bio

I would like to see a random thug kill the Joker. Joker seems to have a death wish but only considers Batman and his family the ones who have the "right" to kill him. There's no punchline to him getting killed by a random thug, which is exactly why he should die that way.

#39 Posted by BigCimmerian (10098 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian said:

@kraytrawk said:

The joker isn't real. Never was. He is just Bruce's split personality. The image of the clown is just a figment of Bruces imagination. Its a symbol for lost innoence, Bruce lost his innocence when he was a boy, watching his parents die. its only poetic that he would imagine a murderous clown. A sad mental barrier for a boy who went insane at age 8.

This is actually creepy as f**k, but it's not true.

Nah. Of course its not true. Just a fan-fic i'm working on.

I like it! :D

#40 Posted by turel_hash_ak_gik (350 posts) - - Show Bio

he's dc's life support after the avengers movie.

#41 Edited by Archerized (13 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, well, according to (someone in DCU): They're meant to do this forever.

Anyway, Batman can't and wont kill the joker, if he kills him then whats the point of being the Batman? Whats the point of Being the 'Dark Knight'? Even if he kill him then somehow he'll turn into Joker and then someone else will become batman.

#42 Posted by cameron83 (7868 posts) - - Show Bio

@cameron83 said:

@russellmania77 said:

Because batman isn't a sell out like every other hero these days

Sell out??

Simply because they kill doesn't make them sellouts.

If that's what you were insinuating.

If a character didnt kill because it was part of his personallity and wasnt an antihero, but then for the sake of being cool start killing and became an antihero, that is being a sell out, is a normal thing in comics.

Oh,I see. Yeah,I guess I can agree. It seems like they are trying to do that to Superman lately.

#43 Posted by Squares (8661 posts) - - Show Bio

Because he's too profitable and popular to kill. DC could lose money from it.

#44 Posted by Marionettegeist (1936 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian said:

@kraytrawk said:

The joker isn't real. Never was. He is just Bruce's split personality. The image of the clown is just a figment of Bruces imagination. Its a symbol for lost innoence, Bruce lost his innocence when he was a boy, watching his parents die. its only poetic that he would imagine a murderous clown. A sad mental barrier for a boy who went insane at age 8.

This is actually creepy as f**k, but it's not true.

Nah. Of course its not true. Just a fan-fic i'm working on.

I can't wait to read it.

@soduh2 said:

I would like to see a random thug kill the Joker. Joker seems to have a death wish but only considers Batman and his family the ones who have the "right" to kill him. There's no punchline to him getting killed by a random thug, which is exactly why he should die that way.

#45 Posted by consolemaster001 (6904 posts) - - Show Bio

cash

#46 Posted by Black_Claw (3280 posts) - - Show Bio

From a meta standpoint: The Joker is alive because he's an extremely popular character and he sells.

From an In Universe standpoint: The Joker is alive because Gothams law system is incompetent as all hell.

#47 Edited by batshrine (1081 posts) - - Show Bio

Ya I don't understand why its Batman's responsibility when really the state should just kill him on the spot...

#48 Posted by HighlyEvolved (349 posts) - - Show Bio

@kraytrawk: that was a traumatizing comment. Ruined my childhood. Like taking candy from a baby.

#49 Posted by Bloxxeh (191 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's another question: Is there a good reason Joker has his face back? And no scars? -_-

#50 Posted by Black_Claw (3280 posts) - - Show Bio

@bloxxeh: I was hoping they would just pull an excuse out of their ass to why his face was put back on so that things can finally return to normal.