is it humanly possible to be a batman and a superman fan

@deaditegonzo said:

This is BS. I all for one agree about Batman getting less spotlight. But, Superman being nerfed is not because of Batman. He is Nerfed because of how overpowered he is. Superman's character is hard relate to, and they bring him down so that mainstream audience will actually care about him. Superman on a team/ or in anyone else story is just overkill. Blame Superman, for his lack of appeal not Batman.

@thorson: They are both in my top 5 so yes.

@johnni_kun: He doesnt have a lack of appeal, his sales figures prove that. Also, his first movie made more money than almost any other first Super Hero movie, even though his last movie before MoS was considered a failure. He is simply less popular than Batman. Being second most popular to the current most popular character in all of comics isnt a bad thing.

And frankly, i have no complaints about Batman being more popular. I do have complaints that every character is made to look weaker for Batman. Green Lantern Guy Gardner gets punched by Batman (its stupid, they have force fields that automatically protect them, but not from Batgod), both Supes and WW were a lot weaker for the Justice League TV show, just to make Batman relevant on the team, in the Superman/Batman comic, he saved Supes from his own villains on a couple of occasions (Metallo), etc etc.

Compare that to Superman's appearances alone. In MoS, just the force of his punch toppled buildings (that would disintegrate a human), in his solo comic, he is benching the Earth, in his solo animated movies he's even a beast (making stars on a cosmic anvil and surviving Supernovas).

He is only weakened when he is around Batman. It is Batmans "fault". Now if you want to argue that as a whole Supes could be improved by being weakened, fine, but that is a separate debate (one I heartily disagree with).

@deaditegonzo: He doesnt have a lack of appeal, his sales figures prove that. Also, his first movie made more money than almost any other first Super Hero movie, even though his last movie before MoS was considered a failure. He is simply less popular than Batman. Being second most popular to the current most popular character in all of comics isnt a bad thing.

Sales well, but his public on the character is lower than most. He is constantly criticized about having no stakes in his overall character. So my point still stands.

And frankly, i have no complaints about Batman being more popular. I do have complaints that every character is made to look weaker for Batman. Green Lantern Guy Gardner gets punched by Batman (its stupid, they have force fields that automatically protect them, but not from Batgod),

Guy was being an A**hat, so he was brought back down to size. Batman has also been punked many times. Red Hood has kicked his a** ,which is ridiculous. That happen from time to time. Hell, DC does it with Superman as well. How many times has Billy Batson got punked by Supes. Don't try to act like this doesn't happen all the time with other characters.

both Supes and WW were a lot weaker for the Justice League TV show, just to make Batman relevant on the team, in the Superman/Batman comic, he saved Supes from his own villains on a couple of occasions (Metallo), etc etc. Compare that to Superman's appearances alone. In MoS, just the force of his punch toppled buildings (that would disintegrate a human), in his solo comic, he is benching the Earth, in his solo animated movies he's even a beast (making stars on a cosmic anvil and surviving Supernovas). He is only weakened when he is around Batman. It is Batmans "fault". Now if you want to argue that as a whole Supes could be improved by being weakened, fine, but that is a separate debate (one I heartily disagree with). I seen many times in the series

Wrong. Superman and Wonder Woman are depowered because they don't need a team. They are weaker to make the other character useful in general, not just Batman. Flash is a good example of someone who could beat many of the "superman-level" villains, but is usually put on the side lines, so Superman has something to do. That is how a team book works. Hell, Batman appears in least amount of episodes then anything other character in the first two seasons. Superman still has those moments. Superman is a character that really shouldn't be outside his own world. Because, when he is, you have people screaming about illogically, even though the character himself is illogical. You would think that a fan of Superman wouldn't base so much of his opinions on realism, huh?

That's how I enjoy these characters.

@johnni_kun: Your still wrong here. You pointed out yourself that Flash could handle a good deal of Superman's threats, and almost everyone (myself included) sees WW as Supermans near equal. Martian Manhunter is Superman's superior if anything. That just leaves Aquaman, Green Lantern, and Batman. Green Lantern would definitely be useful, even with everyone else at their full power. Disregarding Aquaman real quick, what character does that leave as "useless" from a team aspect? Batman. He is the reason all the other characters have to get nerfed.

A team of just WW, Supes, Flash, GL, and MM would have each character being a definite specialist at something, and all holding an equal burden. But add Batman in and suddenly, WW cannot be the hands down best martial artist. Flash cant think or reason beyond light speed (because Batman has to have all the ideas). Superman cannot use any of his Fortress of Solitude gadgets (because theyd all be better than Batmans). Martian Manhunter, who can transform and go invisible, cant be the best at sneaking around/ stealth missions. See what I mean? Now, you can enjoy the characters in whatever form you want, shoot, if you wanted a team where Batman built a suit that made him superior to everyone in everyway, thats your prerogative, but it doesnt change the fact that I am right about the impact he has on other characters. Marvel was lucky with the Avengers, because the rich Human has a suit that puts him just below Thor.

1. "Flash would only be needed when Superman can't be fast enough." Specialist
2. Wonder Woman is better for magic and mysticism than any of the others, and she is the best fighter by far. Specialist
3. Martian Manhunter: Cloaking, Telepathy, Shapeshifting. Literally perfect for espionage. Specialist
4. Green Lantern is the best for cosmic situations, and he has maybe the most variable ability. Him not being involved isnt an issue in our hypothetical situation.
5. Superman would mainly be the leader, figure head, and "battering ram" so to speak.

If we add Cyborg to the mix, there is literally no job Batman can do better than anyone individual on the team.

@deaditegonzo: Nope, having Flash on the team means Superman can't be the speedster anymore, Superman means Wonder Woman can't be strong, Martian Manhunter means Aquaman's telepathy is useless etc. All of their powers overlap because the character's have ridiculous amounts of power's. They already specialize beyond what they do in their own books. When you introduce Batman to the team it is the same thing, yes he figures things out but that is because it is his mojo, that is his super power. That's like asking why doesn't Wonder Woman get to beat on Darkseid, well because Superman is there. That's why justice league level Batman fits in, because like you said he is their equal, no matter how people try to deny it. Flash is still smart, Superman still has his fortress, MMH will always be able to turn invisible, WW is a sick martial artist, but Batman is just better at it.

Must...like...Superman but must...also...like...Batman. Does not compute...does not compute..contradiction too difficult

@deaditegonzo: Your still wrong here. You pointed out yourself that Flash could handle a good deal of Superman's threats, and almost everyone (myself included) sees WW as Supermans near equal. Martian Manhunter is Superman's superior if anything. That just leaves Aquaman, Green Lantern, and Batman. Green Lantern would definitely be useful, even with everyone else at their full power. Disregarding Aquaman real quick, what character does that leave as "useless" from a team aspect? Batman. He is the reason all the other characters have to get nerfed.

So, it's okay to nerfed Flash but not Superman, okay got ya.The mention of Flash is show that every "characters" has to play part, regardless of their strength. Your argument on that Batman has to be the reason because he is the weakest, is just your own bias views on the character. Batman usefulness comes from his great tactical mind. Something that he exceeds in than any of the other characters. You know the saying "Brains versus bran?" Or "the mind is strong then the body?" It's true. Explain, why they still make Superman need help at all? This Batman bs is just excuse to masked the real problem. Batman isn't too weak to be on the team book. Superman is just far too strong. Character like Superman aren't nerfed because of Batman, they nerfed because of characters like them self.

A team of just WW, Supes, Flash, GL, and MM would have each character being a definite specialist at something, and all holding an equal burden. But add Batman in and suddenly, WW cannot be the hands down best martial artist.

It's doesn't matter if Wonder woman is the best martial artist considering that it wouldn't come into any account. She a power house, and they will base it on her strength. If she had a fight where skill came into play, the character would be out of Batman league physically anyways.

Flash cant think or reason beyond light speed (because Batman has to have all the ideas).

Flash speed brain works differently, and although can be use tactically, doesn't really comes to play in a mission structure plan. It's exceeds more for improvisation, which he does anyways.

Superman cannot use any of his Fortress of Solitude gadgets (because theyd all be better than Batmans).

Superman doesn't really use he gadgets in own books, so.......this is kind of reaching. He's not know for the use of these, so I doubt it would come up even without Batman there.

Martian Manhunter, who can transform and go invisible, cant be the best at sneaking around/ stealth missions.

This is the only one that I agree with.

See what I mean? Now, you can enjoy the characters in whatever form you want, shoot, if you wanted a team where Batman built a suit that made him superior to everyone in everyway, thats your prerogative, but it doesnt change the fact that I am right about the impact he has on other characters. Marvel was lucky with the Avengers, because the rich Human has a suit that puts him just below Thor.

You can say that on just about every team book. Superman effect half of the team as well. Superman is looked towards as the leader even though Wonder Woman would be better. Flash and Martian Manhunter have to be known as the "fast guy", and the invisible/ phasing one, because superman can do what they can but with even more importance.

@johnni_kun: You only agree with the one that fits with your fandom, and once again you can like whatever team configuration you want, but it doesnt change the FACT that in order to make Batman relevant, the other characters have to be nerfed.

Honestly, you may claim to like Batman and Superman, but if youre actually ok with how all the characters lose something in order to keep Batman relevant, then youre not much of a fan, are you?

This is possibly the dumbest question that has been asked in the course of human history :I

This might possibly be the most stupid question ive seen on here but ill bite.

I love both, I love Superman slightly more but I still love both.

LOL at the b%tchy Superman fans and whiny Batman fans arguing with each other here about who suffers more from the other character.

@deaditegonzo:

@johnni_kun: It is just Batman. Flash doesnt need to be nerfed for Supes, Wonder Woman doesnt have to be nerfed for MM, etc. Fanboys only see what they want though, so whatever.

Were did you get this from? Who possibly said that? Give an example. Everyone loves both characters except for you. Thor is different because he sucks......

Yes...This is a troll war.

Your feeding it!!! The way you fight trolls by giving them a taste of their own sh#t.

The way Thor flies is f&cking stupid. He hurls his hammer and latches on to it to fly. He then uses magic to control his flight. WHY CAN'T HE USE MAGIC TO FLY??

@deaditegonzo: Judging from your recent posts.......clearly.

I can't see why not.I,myself, am a fan of both characters and I love them.Batman is my favorite and I definitely love him more than Supes but that doesn't stop me at all to be a fan of Superman and everything about him.I don't know why this stereotype was even created and why does it even matter.It isn't anything big or a big deal at all.It is just a stereotype that people use to characterize Batman or Superman fans.

@deaditegonzo: You said it yourself. Everyone on the team is a specialist at something. Batman is the team's tactician. That's his main role on the team. He's a specialist at planning/strategizing. I don't see how this affects any of the other characters in any way, but you seem to have a personal problem with this.

Personally, I love the super-bromance going on between Superman and Batman.

This!

How many people do you want to piss off on your threads?!