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#1 Edited by TheBhramaBull (277 posts) - - Show Bio

So, I think it's a safe bet that (if they do fight) Batman is going to kick Superman's ass in this movie. I know a lot of people, especially on here, will cry if that happens and scream PIS, but seriously, WB knows it's what the majority of people (including myself) will want to see happen and will most likely give it to them. Either that, or it will be some sort of draw, which would still involve Batman being able to go toe to toe with Supes.

I'd like to know what people's thoughts are on how they could make this happen in the movie, especially because there is no kryptonite for him to exploit. I have a few ideas:

I think Bruce (or even Bruce and Lex together) will study and determine weaknesses regarding Kryptonian biology and either:

1. Bruce finds a way to create a place with an artificial Kryptonian atmosphere, since the Kryptonian atmosphere weakens Clark in the first film

2. Do a Red Lamp job, like in the book Red Son, after finding out Clark draws his strength from Earth's young yellow sun

3. Bruce creates Kryptonite (it doesn't have to be rock from the planet Krypton it could just be a substance he develops himself maybe containing the same contents of the Kryptonian atmosphere)

[4. ... Because he's Batman]

What do you guys think, anyone have any interesting ways that they will be able to have Batman face off with Superman?

#2 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

What makes you think they will fight? And if they do, what makes you think Batman will beat Superman. Enough of this Superman vs Batman BS.

#3 Posted by Guardian_of_Gravity (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

Option 5. The fight will end in an inconclusive tie and then the plot cuts to the actual villain, which according to the rumor mill will be Lex Luthor and Metallo.

#4 Posted by RustyRoy (12012 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandman_ said:

What makes you think they will fight? And if they do, what makes you think Batman will beat Superman. Enough of this Superman vs Batman BS.

Option 5. The fight will end in an inconclusive tie and then the plot cuts to the actual villain, which according to the rumor mill will be Lex Luthor and Metallo.

#5 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

If they really had the balls for what would realistically happen when a human fought a god then batman gets obliterated. In fact if it weren't for fanboy ism Superman would always win.

#6 Edited by TheBhramaBull (277 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandman_: I did put "if they fight" in the post, but still considering the quote from DKR Zack Snyder used to tease the film, the fact Zack Snyder said "it's more than mythological to have these two superheroes face off" and David Goyer said he doesn't know if it will be called "Superman vs Batman or Batman vs Superman or something else", I think it's a fair bet to say they will fight. And I'm not saying Batman would beat him in a fight, I think if they fight in a film that's what would happen because the majority of people would want him to win and they know that.

#7 Edited by JetiiMitra (8519 posts) - - Show Bio

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#8 Posted by TheBhramaBull (277 posts) - - Show Bio

@guardian_of_gravity: Yeah I think it could be a tie, but that would still involve Batman being able to fight this God-like alien , and I'm interested to know how they could possibly do that in this film when there is no Kryptonite

#9 Edited by TheBhramaBull (277 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: I agree, but that's not the point of this, it's not a who would win debate, it's how can they show Batman being able to fight Clark in this film when there is no Kryptonite in existence (atm)

#10 Edited by Guardian_of_Gravity (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebhramabull: Two words.

Power Armor.

Duh.

It's the newest must have item in Science Fiction.

Did you really not think that through?

And don't say "But Iron Man has power armor!"

So does Master Chief, Samus Aran, Space Marines, Isaac Clarke, Prophet, Commander Shepard, Any Fallout Protagonist, and just so many damn people.

The general viewing audience may be retarded but they'll be smart enough to know that power armor is not a concept unique to Iron Man.

Heck Iron Man didn't even start the concept...that was Starship Troopers.

And with the Power Armor, they'll have an inconclusive tie.

#11 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebhramabull: I heard it will be based on Public Enemies. They aren't going to fight and if they do, I really doubt that after going through all this trouble to resurrect Superman they will make him lose. It ain't happening.

#12 Posted by TheBhramaBull (277 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandman_: Have you got a link to where you saw that, I haven't seen anything on that. And he might not lose (but seriously he could easily lose as Batman is their cash cow right now and they know audiences would love it), but if he doesn't it would probably be a draw, which would still involve Bruce being able to fight Clark in this film. As some guy mentioned, power armor could be possible.

#13 Posted by kasino (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

don't think they fight but meet something like this

Batman shows his skill/fearlessness and Supes is surprised

Superman reminds him he's fu*king Superman

they learn of each other identities in the ways they would

they go on to save the world as the most powerful and most resourceful

#14 Posted by Wolverine08 (41121 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandman_ said:

What makes you think they will fight? And if they do, what makes you think Batman will beat Superman. Enough of this Superman vs Batman BS.

Option 5. The fight will end in an inconclusive tie and then the plot cuts to the actual villain, which according to the rumor mill will be Lex Luthor and Metallo.

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#15 Edited by Guardian_of_Gravity (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

As for how they'll get all this wonderful tech.

Someone has to take the contracts for all that Kryptonian gear, may as well be Lexcorp and Wayne industries.

Wayne uses it to fashion superior gadgets, vehicles, and armor, but Lex, having taken the lion's share, reverse engineers it to construct not only his suit of power armor but also a powerful new robot that has some of the world engine's systems to function in place of kryptonite.

Effectively, not only does Metallo have the physicality to match superman blow for blow, it can create the world engine's effects around it to weaken superman and greatly increase the threat it provides. And also for maybe a humorous moment or two when it activates the gravity field and atmosphere poisoner at the wrong time and crashes through several floors.

Lex on the other hand, makes his standard suit with a less garish colour scheme, with his own improvements, namely shielding to enhance it's durability, energy weapons based on the Kryptonian transport's weapons and blasters, and of course the hard light helmet so that he can mug off to superman while still having his head protected.

Lex plays on the military's fear of Superman which Bruce initially tries to investigate, which leads to a bit of a scuffle that goes nowhere before they realize that this is just a misunderstanding and that Lex is playing them for fools. It turns out Luthor is planning to mass produce the Metallo robot for his own ends, they come to an agreement to stop them.

Only together are they able to defeat Metallo, only for Luthor himself to come onto the scene to prove that he's the superior being and roughs both of them up until they can defeat him and get him in jail. But it ends noting that Luthor can get himself acquitted in no time with the lawyers he can hire, thus setting the stage for the other five movies whomever Luthor is played by will be signed up for.

There's my prediction anyway.

#16 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (10263 posts) - - Show Bio

Spoiler Alert.

Call me Dad Clark

No, is not even safe they are going to fist fight, vs could mean many types of conflict, it could mean about the conflint Superman and Batman have in being totally different and have to work together to make the world a better place.

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#17 Edited by Wolverine08 (41121 posts) - - Show Bio

Why are people so obsessed with Superman and Batman fighting anyways?

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#18 Edited by Guardian_of_Gravity (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Dunno, think my idea's naff or possibly close to the mark?

#19 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio
#20 Edited by JuJuTrain91 (20 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08:

1. They're two of the most (if not the most) famous and popular superheroes in existence

2. It's the comic equivalent of David and Goliath

3. All evidence so far points to this film having a fight between these two characters, which makes talking about superman vs batman quite relevant

Seriously, have no idea how they an make this fight happen in the film without kryptonite though, the power suit idea sounds fairly plausible, but I also think they could just have Bruce and Lex engineer kryptonite

#21 Posted by Wolverine08 (41121 posts) - - Show Bio

@guardian_of_gravity:

Your idea actually sound extremely good. I hope film makers actually go with something like that.

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#22 Edited by SupBatz (1729 posts) - - Show Bio

If they do fight, the key to Batman's strategy must be misdirection. He is outmatched physically in every way. So he needs to be creative with how he approaches the battle. Take charge and make sure that Superman does what he wants him to.

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#23 Posted by Jayc1324 (11593 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: superman is nowhere near the power of a comic book god

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#24 Posted by nickzambuto (13396 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@joshmightbe: superman is nowhere near the power of a comic book god

So? He'd still f*ck up the U.S. military and could easily take over the planet.

#25 Edited by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@joshmightbe: superman is nowhere near the power of a comic book god

He's a whole hell of a lot closer than Batman

#26 Posted by gor724 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

I want either a Dark Knight Returns battle suit, or a kryptonite that only weakens his powers a little, and doesn't eliminate his powers completely. I don't want batman to just kick Superman ass, I want it to be a good fight.

#27 Posted by Jayc1324 (11593 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: I doubt the whole planet. Not if we know his weaknesses and he was hurt by a man made machine in superman unchained so there's that someone could use too but I doubt that's gonna be in the movie

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#28 Posted by Xwraith (17318 posts) - - Show Bio

The same way he always beats opponents way out of his league:

Terrible writing.

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#29 Edited by KaijuKingGojira (1410 posts) - - Show Bio

Ben Affleck sucking makes superman go easy on him and lets him win.

#30 Edited by Perethorn (3348 posts) - - Show Bio

With PIS

#31 Edited by Darkseid011 (109 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that they'll fight just like they did in the dark knight returns. Power suit!

#32 Edited by THEOCITYLEGEND (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

I really liked the Idea of Batman using a suit inspired by the all the Kryptonian tech that's now on Earth. Also Zod robbed Superman of his powers by exposing Superman to Kryptons atmosphere, Batman could simulate that by changing the chemicals in the air of whatever location he lures Superman to. A giant missle was what knocked out Faora in MOS, therefore conventional weapons are not out of the question. He can also take advantage of Supermans senses, as shown in MOS his superior senses are a huge problem for him, Batman could use all kinds of crap like flashbangs to really hurt Supermans superior hearing and vision. There is also good old fashioned Kryptonite.

#33 Posted by Jayc1324 (11593 posts) - - Show Bio

@xwraith: where's your imagination. It doesn't have to be bad writing

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#34 Posted by THEOCITYLEGEND (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@xwraith: where's your imagination. It doesn't have to be bad writing

His imagination is dull, grey, and coated with lack of creativity.

#35 Posted by mikex20 (2769 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce will pay Clark to take a dive.

#36 Edited by cameron83 (7191 posts) - - Show Bio

Ben Affleck sucking makes superman go easy on him and lets him win.

#37 Edited by RustyRoy (12012 posts) - - Show Bio

A power suit seems plausible, Batman has used many types of armors in comics and the armor used by Faora and Zod was able to hurt Superman, Bruce can reverse engineer one of those suits and built a more advanced version of the armor for himself but I hardly doubt Affleck's Batman will have that kind of intelligence.

#38 Posted by Lvenger (19320 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@sandman_ said:

What makes you think they will fight? And if they do, what makes you think Batman will beat Superman. Enough of this Superman vs Batman BS.

@guardian_of_gravity said:

Option 5. The fight will end in an inconclusive tie and then the plot cuts to the actual villain, which according to the rumor mill will be Lex Luthor and Metallo.

The most viable and most likely answer.

#39 Posted by SupBatz (1729 posts) - - Show Bio

I really liked the Idea of Batman using a suit inspired by the all the Kryptonian tech that's now on Earth. Also Zod robbed Superman of his powers by exposing Superman to Kryptons atmosphere, Batman could simulate that by changing the chemicals in the air of whatever location he lures Superman to. A giant missle was what knocked out Faora in MOS, therefore conventional weapons are not out of the question. He can also take advantage of Supermans senses, as shown in MOS his superior senses are a huge problem for him, Batman could use all kinds of crap like flashbangs to really hurt Supermans superior hearing and vision. There is also good old fashioned Kryptonite.

Love this idea. It seems a lot more creative than just using a power suit and would be a great way to showcase Bruce's intelligence, quick thinking, and reflexes.

I imagine that, if this film is in fact to be called Batman vs. Superman, the pair will not just fight once. Perhaps their first confrontation will be short, Superman clearly overpowers Batman and Bruce spends the battle gauging Clark's powers and learning how he might retaliate later. Then Bruce retreats quickly. The second confrontation might be a more fair battle in which Bruce makes use of tech to throw off Superman's senses. And then perhaps the third fight will be the true brawl where Batman has a power suit to go toe-to-toe with Superman.

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#40 Edited by Fallschirmjager (16736 posts) - - Show Bio

Option 5. The fight will end in an inconclusive tie and then the plot cuts to the actual villain, which according to the rumor mill will be Lex Luthor and Metallo.

This. Although I personally hope its Lex and Brainiac.

#41 Edited by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

It's either going to be very representative of World's Finest in the animated series or for those craving an actual fight, I could see it going down very similarly to Smallville Season 11 #16. Batman studies Clark from his previous fights and finds a weakness. Seemingly has an upper hand at the start, Clark then toys with him until he's had enough.

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#42 Posted by KaijuKingGojira (1410 posts) - - Show Bio
#44 Posted by KaijuKingGojira (1410 posts) - - Show Bio

But to be serious.The same way it happened in the DCAU.Superman would not be fighting at full capabilities he would have learned to hold back.But to even fight superman this batman would have to be more skilled than the Nolan Batman

#45 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

ah the hollow thoughts of fanboys. sad. very sad.

#46 Posted by CheeseSticks (2448 posts) - - Show Bio

I can already see Ben Affleck beating Superman.

#47 Edited by Beerminator1 (353 posts) - - Show Bio

We all know that Batman is going to beat Superman in the movie. And only because Batman is the more popular character these days and they don't want to piss off shit loads of people. Batman could not create the kryptonian atmosphere without a sample, which might be impossible to get. Red sun and kryptonite are pretty much the only ways. In Lex Luthor Man Of Steel (issue 3), Batman with kryptonite and prep time was easily defeated by Superman. So I'd say that a red sun would be the only way...

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#50 Posted by entropy_aegis (15220 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman: I'm Batman.

Superman dies.