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#1 Edited by redwingx (1176 posts) - - Show Bio

The amount of super powered heroes in DC is to much for the thug and the likes of Two-face. Not to mention Batman is a Justice League member, the members would surely help Batman out and cut the evil of Gotham. Then there are people like Specter who would kill Joker and other Bat villains.

#2 Posted by RustyRoy (14930 posts) - - Show Bio

@redwingx: The rest of the DCU can hardly clean up their own problems, they don't have time for Gotham's criminals. And people like Spectre can kill Luthor too but I don't see you making a thread about that.

#3 Edited by redwingx (1176 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@redwingx: The rest of the DCU can hardly clean up their own problems, they don't have time for Gotham's criminals. And people like Spectre can kill Luthor too but I don't see you making a thread about that.

It is said that Gotham is the worst city. You would think that the rest of the world would do something. The Justice League is formed to fix problems that the hero can't do alone and a corrupted city is a big deal.

Also are you really comparing Luther to Joker? Joker is downright evil and Luthor is currently a member of the JLA.

#4 Edited by RustyRoy (14930 posts) - - Show Bio

@redwingx said:

@rustyroy said:

@redwingx: The rest of the DCU can hardly clean up their own problems, they don't have time for Gotham's criminals. And people like Spectre can kill Luthor too but I don't see you making a thread about that.

It is said that Gotham is the worst city. You would think that the rest of the world would do something. The Justice League is formed to fix problems that the hero can't do alone and a corrupted city is a big deal.

This panel shows why Superman or WW can't clean up Gotham.

I don't believe Gotham is the worst city, Metropolis probably faces more dangerous threats daily than Gotham does, the problem with Gotham is that its people are corrupt so you can't get rid of them just by killing them and for that you need to stick around for very long and other heroes have problems of their own to stick around a city like Gotham.

#5 Posted by matchesmalone21 (9863 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: Great awnser mate!!!

@redwingx said:

The amount of super powered heroes in DC is to much for the thug and the likes of Two-face. Not to mention Batman is a Justice League member, the members would surely help Batman out and cut the evil of Gotham. Then there are people like Specter who would kill Joker and other Bat villains.

The same can be asked about Marvel's New York......is city full of superheroes (Spiderman,Avengers,Punisher,Fantastic Four.....) and yet exist small crimes,alien threats and supervillains.

#6 Posted by danhimself (21248 posts) - - Show Bio

plot

#7 Posted by Vitalius (3313 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by force_echo (889 posts) - - Show Bio

Because Batman spurs crime in the city honestly.

#9 Posted by The_Tree (8441 posts) - - Show Bio

Because comics.

#10 Posted by RiddlerZeroYear (209 posts) - - Show Bio

Because Gotham doesn't work like that. It goes beyond "stop the monster, save the city".

Crime is ingrained into Gotham, no amount of Superman flying around is going to stop that. Honestly, Bruce is far more effective than Clark when it comes to places like Gotham.

#11 Posted by kgb725 (8376 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyborg can always help out

#12 Posted by Farkam (5734 posts) - - Show Bio

How many times are idiots gonna keep asking this. The answer is obvious. Lol.

#13 Posted by GraysoNightwinGrayson (2 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: Gotham is easily the worst city in DCU Don't even try to compare metropolis and Gotham. That's why it hasn't been cleaned up yet, its too much for one dude, even batman, especially cause he doesn't kill, ask anyone, metropolis is the sunshiny rainbows city of DCU

#14 Posted by HumanRocket (10669 posts) - - Show Bio

Superior Batman...

#15 Posted by RustyRoy (14930 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: Gotham is easily the worst city in DCU Don't even try to compare metropolis and Gotham. That's why it hasn't been cleaned up yet, its too much for one dude, even batman, especially cause he doesn't kill, ask anyone, metropolis is the sunshiny rainbows city of DCU

Metropolis is constantly attacked by Superpowered aliens, lab experimented freaks and gods, it needs someone like Superman, a man capable of bench pressing the earth, superspeed and other powers to defend it, so its not that sunny in Metropolis. Not saying that its worse than Gotham, Gotham is one of definitely one of the worst cities in DC but Metropolis doesn't sound like place I'd like to live in.

#16 Posted by ComicStooge (16525 posts) - - Show Bio

The stories wouldn't be very interesting.

#17 Posted by ThanosIsMad (2260 posts) - - Show Bio

Because no super powered person or group is going to stop poverty or greed. Since they're not doing that, they're not going to stop crime regardless of their abilities.

#18 Posted by linsanel_Doctor (1349 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman doesn't kill

#19 Posted by TheMetalGearZero (1368 posts) - - Show Bio

It isn't easy to clean up a city; sure, there's a ton of heroes, but there's also corruption and a bulk of criminals running rampant.

#20 Posted by entropy_aegis (15980 posts) - - Show Bio

@redwingx said:

@rustyroy said:

@redwingx: The rest of the DCU can hardly clean up their own problems, they don't have time for Gotham's criminals. And people like Spectre can kill Luthor too but I don't see you making a thread about that.

It is said that Gotham is the worst city. You would think that the rest of the world would do something. The Justice League is formed to fix problems that the hero can't do alone and a corrupted city is a big deal.

Also are you really comparing Luther to Joker? Joker is downright evil and Luthor is currently a member of the JLA.

You can easily make Joker a member of JLA too,it's up to the writer.

#21 Posted by Vitalius (3313 posts) - - Show Bio

@linsanel_doctor:

If writers didnt write Gotham as worst city ever and with worst facilities that takes care of criminals. Arkam employes probably just gives to the criminals the keys, schedules and codes to the inmates if they even lock the doors.

#22 Posted by RustyRoy (14930 posts) - - Show Bio

@redwingx said:

Also are you really comparing Luther to Joker? Joker is downright evil and Luthor is currently a member of the JLA.

For now he is but he won't stay like this for long. And Luthor is more dangerous threat than Joker.

#23 Posted by Fallschirmjager (19596 posts) - - Show Bio

Given how Fash Flash is - a guy who an experience billions of years to every second we experience - there's no logical reason he hasn't solved all crime on Earth - if nothing else out of sheer boredem.

However, if he did that then there is no more stories.

So no, Batman and crew will never clean up Gotham. That's boring.

#24 Posted by Bezza (4689 posts) - - Show Bio

Given how Fash Flash is - a guy who an experience billions of years to every second we experience - there's no logical reason he hasn't solved all crime on Earth - if nothing else out of sheer boredem.

However, if he did that then there is no more stories.

So no, Batman and crew will never clean up Gotham. That's boring.

Funny, I have often thought that (about the Flash)...yep, he hasn't cleaned up Gotham in 75 years and never will.

#26 Edited by RustyRoy (14930 posts) - - Show Bio

@bezza said:

@fallschirmjager said:

Given how Fash Flash is - a guy who an experience billions of years to every second we experience - there's no logical reason he hasn't solved all crime on Earth - if nothing else out of sheer boredem.

However, if he did that then there is no more stories.

So no, Batman and crew will never clean up Gotham. That's boring.

Funny, I have often thought that (about the Flash)...yep, he hasn't cleaned up Gotham in 75 years and never will.

Well that's actually not true(since you're talking about his whole history), he did clean up Gotham in some alternate realities like KC and at the start of Morrison's run he cleaned up Gotham. Edit : He also cleaned up Gotham in Earth 2.

#27 Posted by Knightfall225 (2063 posts) - - Show Bio

No one save Gotham except the GodD**m Batman( and his family )

#28 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (7676 posts) - - Show Bio

Plot

#29 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (19257 posts) - - Show Bio

Um... it is fictional.....

lol

#30 Posted by Jayc1324 (16525 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman won't kill anyone, for some reason.

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#31 Edited by The Stegman (28567 posts) - - Show Bio

How many heroes are in NYC in Marvel? Yet crime still exists there. Because comics.

#32 Posted by The Stegman (28567 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

Batman won't kill anyone, for some reason.

That reason is called "the Law" lol.

#33 Posted by Catriona_Knightfall (994 posts) - - Show Bio

Because it's comics and they're cyclical in nature

#34 Posted by Jayc1324 (16525 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: you know how many laws he breaks every night? Assault, breaking and entering, tampering long with crime scenes, and most importantly vigilantism. Him just going out as batman is breaking the law.

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#35 Posted by The Stegman (28567 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@the_stegman: you know how many laws he breaks every night? Assault, breaking and entering, tampering long with crime scenes, and most importantly vigilantism. Him just going out as batman is breaking the law.

There's a difference between breaking and entering and straight up murdering people, even if the people are criminals. All heroes, for the most part, operate outside of the law, but manslaughter is on a whole other level. Gordon himself said he turns a blind eye to Batman's vigilantism, but if he ever killed, he'd have to bring him down.

#36 Posted by Jayc1324 (16525 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: he'd TRY to bring him down. Anyway, I'm not speaking mass murder, but he should've killed joker a long time ago, and actually has come close to doing it.

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#37 Posted by The Stegman (28567 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@the_stegman: he'd TRY to bring him down. Anyway, I'm not speaking mass murder, but he should've killed joker a long time ago, and actually has come close to doing it.

Oh, so now he's supposed to go against Gordon and the entire police force just to kill who he deems worthy to die? And it's not his job to kill Joker, it's the courts, the clown should have been put on death row ages ago. Batman does his job, he brings the Joker down, blame the courts for not enacting capital punishment or Arkham for being unable to contain a regular human with a clown fetish.

#38 Posted by Jayc1324 (16525 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: he doesn't have to GI against them. He can kill joker than disappear. Batmans job is a crimefighter, to save lives. By not killing joker, he is allowing more people to die. Anyway, you're missing something. Batman doesn't not kill because its against the law. He doesn't care about following the law. He tortures people for information. He doesnt kill because he thinks he wouldn't be able to stop killing if he started, which I find total BS.

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#39 Edited by The Stegman (28567 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@the_stegman: he doesn't have to GI against them. He can kill joker than disappear. Batmans job is a crimefighter, to save lives. By not killing joker, he is allowing more people to die. Anyway, you're missing something. Batman doesn't not kill because its against the law. He doesn't care about following the law. He tortures people for information. He doesnt kill because he thinks he wouldn't be able to stop killing if he started, which I find total BS.

He refuses to kill not because he doesn't think he can stop, but because it's a line he doesn't want to cross, killing someone because they are an inconvience to you is what criminals would do, killing a person because they are in the way is what Joe Chill did to the Waynes, he doesn't want to be like the people he fights. Yeah, he's thought about killing the Joker, and yes, one could say him killing the Joker would save lives. But it's not up to him to be the Judge, Jury and Executioner. Even though Batman breaks the law, he still believes in it, he still believes in justice.

#40 Edited by Jayc1324 (16525 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: when did batman say its because killing is a line he won't cross. He has thought about killing many times, what stopped him is that he didn't think he would be able to stop. Not using guns separates him from criminals. Not killing isn't. Cops kill. Now you're probably going to say that that is a cops job, and not Batmans. But nothing that Batman does is his job. He shouldn't be doing anything that he does. In Under the Red Hood he details that if he killed joker he wouldn't be able to stop.

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#41 Posted by joshmightbe (25871 posts) - - Show Bio

Because punching stuff doesn't get rid of the root cause of crime. As long as humans have free will, crime is going to exist in some form.

#42 Edited by The Stegman (28567 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324: He believes that if he kills criminals it will corrupt him and he will be no worse than a criminal.

It's not a cop's job to kill, it's a cop's job to arrest criminals, that's exactly what Batman does, again, it's the courts who decides if the criminals die. they only kill as an absolute last resort, when they're own life is endanger, and with Batman's skills (above any cop) that won't be an issue.

#43 Edited by Jayc1324 (16525 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: that's the only time i seen him say that, he usually says he won't be able to stop. but it is still a BS reason, which was my point. Cops kill and aren't corrupted. Heroes kill and aren't corrupted. Batman should have a strong enough mind to control himself.

He wouldn't be so corrupted that he couldn't stop killing.

Also I'd say his life is always in danger.

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#44 Posted by The Stegman (28567 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324: And I continue with my first point, it's not Batman's job to kill criminals, it's Batman's job to stop criminals. and he does it.

#45 Edited by Jayc1324 (16525 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: batman doesn't have a job actually. Hea a crimefighter. He doesn't stop crime. He doesn't stop the joker from killing, he let's him do it again and again and again. If he wanted to stop criminals, like joker, he'd kill them. Yet he let's him kill all the time. He doesn't stop it.

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#46 Posted by The Stegman (28567 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324: He's a crimefigher..and that's what he does, fights crime. He stops it all the time, everytime the Joker is on the loose, he captures him and brings him to justice. Anyway, this is an age old argument, and I've always stood the ground that Batman does what he needs to, he puts the Joker behind bars, it's not his fault the courts, the people who are actually APPOINTED to kill men like the Joker refuse to do it.

#47 Posted by Jayc1324 (16525 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: he captures him AFTER he's killed another dozen people

And then puts him in Arkham. Where he can take over anytime he wants and kill MORE people inside Arkham. Batman doesn't stop the joker from killing. He let's him kill, then puts him somewhere he can take over and kill more and escape and kill even more. If the courts don't do it, Batman should. Otherwise he isn't doing his job, he's letting more people die. Hell, last time batman fought joker in Death of the family he didn't even catch him!! He let him do all that killing, torture the bat family and damage their relationships, and then let him get away!

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#48 Posted by linsanel_Doctor (1349 posts) - - Show Bio

lol... It's not easy

#49 Edited by Black_Arrow (4942 posts) - - Show Bio

Plot. A man with the resources that Batman has, shouldn't have a problem to clean the city without killing. In Batman annual 2, we know that the Batman helps to upgrade the security in Arkham, how the hell his villains are able to escape then? Batman has studied the mind of every single one of them and he is the world's greatest escape artist, someone would think that he should be able to design a prison that his villains can't escape. When he did the Batrobots in Batman inc, I thought that he was doing the right thing and one of the best things in his career, with those robots he could have cleaned the city like he did in KC or he could have got support by donning to the police department millions. He could have donated Arkham far better technology (designed by him) to keep his villain from escaping and put some of his Batrobots with technology to beat Clayface, Ivy and other super powered villains.

#50 Posted by BlackWind (8175 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman can only be in one place at a time. And Gotham is huge. Plenty of time to rob a store while Batman is busting the beads of his rogues.