Here's another Batman vs. Superman match, and written by Pak no less:
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Superman is younger here (in that ridiculous denim ensemble) and less powerful. Batman has shielding and Kryptonite, which weakens Superman. Superman is still able to open Batman's armour, once the shield is dropped, handle the Kryptonite, and fling it away. He then lays waste to The Batman.
Pak is inconsistent with his depiction of Superman against Batman in melee, but in both scenes, Batman doesn't win.
No, Batman has never beat Superman. Even in the one source Batman fanboys try to use "The Dark Knight Returns," Superman is alive and still functional and Batman dies of a heart attack. Superman attended the funeral and Batman fanboys have tried rewriting reality ever since.
Stop using The Dark Knight Returns, its a philosophical fight, Batman beats Superman under moral, ethic and ideological reasons.
Also its obvious Clark would had won since his power would had back at some point, Bruce had to find a way to leave his message to Clark before he go into full power Superman.
No, Batman has never beat Superman. Even in the one source Batman fanboys try to use "The Dark Knight Returns," Superman is alive and still functional and Batman dies of a heart attack. Superman attended the funeral and Batman fanboys have tried rewriting reality ever since.
In Superman/Batman Annual 1 Arena, Batman won. With Morals on, with Superman unable to hold back as per the rules. World would be destroyed if he did.
Batman could have easily beaten Superman if he chose to use the blackrock with the green K. But chose to use them one after the other, as together would kill him.
Say what you want about Hush, but Superman in Public Enemies, said two things about it:
1) He was tired of Batman "kicking the crap out of him" with it.
2) He feared the K ring.
You guys talk as if Batman isn't one of the most agile characters in DC and can't dodge a car thrown by a weakened Superman. He can dodge Heat vison and 1200m/s bullets from behind at night after they've been shot, aka by hearing it coming (Batman CIty of Crime), Yet this CAR has his number? Yeah right. ]
He did precisely what he set out to do and no more. Thats a victory for bats.
3) Tower of Babel is a Batman victory because Superman would have been completely incapacitated, maybe even dead without Batman's information and assistance. It being a lesser assasin who whipped out the red K speaks to the plan being more effective in Batman's hands, not less.
4) In Red Son he'd have won without WW interferance.
5) In injustice comic he says he cant win UNLESS he's willing to kill Superman.
Bat has beaten supes many times in comics(some were pis/some were not). Dark knight returns and tower of Babel and hush are canon.and a victory no matter how small is still a victory. It doesn't matter how you win, if you can actually win - Krishna, Mahabharata.(Hindu mythology)
Well, however bats can lose to an morals off insane supes.(this is very slim.1/10000000000)as supes very rarely goes overboard and even then he holds back his might.he himself is afraid of his true power because he loves our world so much(he doesn't have anywhere else to go. Poor alien orphan.)that he fears even the slightest harm caused by unleashing his true might will make people afraid and hateful of him. This is the truth, accept it Superman fans.
Superman is the ultimate dream, batman is the ultimate reality. And reality stomps dream in most cases.
Just be lucky Batman dosen't do the same accident that happened to Bart Allen to make himself have the same powers as the flash, Batman would just end up tbagging Superman if Batman has the same powers as flash.
"Bat has beaten supes many times in comics(some were pis/some were not). Dark knight returns and tower of Babel and hush are canon.and a victory no matter how small is still a victory. It doesn't matter how you win, if you can actually win - Krishna, Mahabharata.(Hindu mythology)"
Not in canon. TDKR is not canon to the main universe... Hush is canon pre flashpoint, not current canon, Tower of babel is no longer canon.
Here is another Thread that talks about all that.. and a great canon explanation. #2 Posted by ssejllenrad (13028 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio
It is (Hush) canon to Pre-flashpoint Superman (who still is currently the definitive Superman, despite being not the current canon). Tower of Babel is also no longer canon.
To make it simple, here's a brief rundown on DC continuities:
1938-1986 canon. Every story made from the start of DC all the way to Crisis on Infinite Earths is called Pre-Crisis Canon. Golden Age, Silver Age, and Bronze Age all fit into this.
1986-2011 canon. Post-crisis Canon aka Pre-Flashpoint. All stories from Crisis all the way to Flashpoint are canon in this timeline. There have been retcons in this timeline but no big ones (e.g. Zero Hour). Hush and Tower of Babel are in this timeline.
2011-Present. New 52 Canon aka Post-Flashpoint. All new stories and arcs. DC have incorporated some of the pre-flashpoint stories into this timeline though (e.g. Death of Superman, Batman Inc., etc.)
Endgame, Superman the trust (I think it's canon), and a few others are wins for Batman, whilst superman won in the story line sacrifice. Most of there canon fights are inconclusive though. Most of there fights are non canon and there fight record in non-canon fights seem even to me.
"And nobody can really count Tower of Babel as a win or a lose."
I agree with this part, with that being said I think Tower of Babel is more about the possibility he can win rather than him straight up wining.
For the record there ain't no disrespect here, only edumacation. I think Super dude is OK also, he just ain't as cool as Batman.
@deathstroke52: No no no sir. That quote is always misrepresented (thanks Angry Joe -_-). Batman didn't say he broke his hand he said his "unkryprtonited" hand could only punch him three times before his hand would break, despite his Kevlar.
Even if you don't count that as a win he still won in canon, true? Such as Endgame.
This should make up for Endgame. Despiting having superpowers from Amazo, bats fails to restrain Superman completely.
I like both of them, I just like Batman more. I also think they are equally as useful in a combative scenario, and I think they're fights should be equal 50/50, keeps things interesting. However, to say one hasn't beaten the other, and to chalk their victories up to "PIS", is absurd and rather close minded.
Yes he beat him the dark knight returns, He was counting on superman holding back and he gave him the slip, Batman has the brains so therefore he wins every time
Batman has beaten Superman a few times and even killed Superman once. Of course none were canon, but in DC's multitude of multiverses who really cares about canon? It's the same characters with the same powers and abilities. And it's not hard to see how Batman can beat Superman. Kryptonite. It's as simple as that. Superman is deathly weak against it, Batman has it. And although Lex Luthor is constantly kicking Superman's arse, no one questions it. So it's no wonder that Batman can do the same when he has to. It's why Superman gave Batman the Kryptonite ring, because he trusts Batman could do it over any other superhero.
@innerassassin: Yes he has several times in fact, In Hush, Tower of Babel, Endgame... those are all canon.
Hush is an awful story, so that doesn't count. Loeb just wanted to recreate the intensity of the fight from TDKR without realizing what made that fight actually work. Batman never directly fought Superman in Tower of Babel, and Superman was under control of the Joker venom in Endgame.
@mar_vell: I wouldn't consider Hush a victory, he nearly shattered his hand punching Superman with a K-ring, the closest thing to injury he did to Superman resulted in Supes saying "You hurt me," and without Catwoman he would of been squashed.
And Ra's Al Ghul used Batman's plans to beat Superman. If Ra's stole Red Hood's gun and shot and killed Batman with it, was it Red Hood who killed Batman?
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