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#1 Posted by kgb725 (6082 posts) - - Show Bio

i need to know

#2 Posted by Pokeysteve (8130 posts) - - Show Bio

Can you be more specific on "beaten"? He's definitely gotten the better of him here and there but I don't know about straight up BEATEN.

#3 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (3548 posts) - - Show Bio

No. Not in the sense you're thinking of.

#4 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

Not really.

#5 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

Dark Knight Returns, Hush, and Tower of Babel.

#6 Posted by tupiaz (2172 posts) - - Show Bio

@Reignmaker: Well Batman got help in Dark Knight returns with an krytptonite arrow from Green Arrow and in Hush Superman was holding back and Batman used his kryptonite ring. How did it happened in Tower in Babel.

#7 Posted by havoc1201 (491 posts) - - Show Bio

@tupiaz said:

@Reignmaker: Well Batman got help in Dark Knight returns with an krytptonite arrow from Green Arrow and in Hush Superman was holding back and Batman used his kryptonite ring. How did it happened in Tower in Babel.

in Tower of Babel Taila used Batmans case files he created to take down the justice league if he ever had to and they used a Kryponite rock that batman manufactured that pretty much made supermans skin turn clear and made the sun poison him if i remember correctly, also in Hush Batman counted on Superman being the Boy scout and saving Lois no matter what spell he was under.

#8 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

im not sure if it's canon but Batman stopped a berserk Superman in Superman: The Trust, story by Chip Kidd and Alex Ross:

I got this from the batman capability webstite, this website is amazing, it has batman's best feats, if someone would like to check it out here's the link:

http://batmanfeats.blogspot.com/

#9 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9622 posts) - - Show Bio

Well Baman has made better movies and cartoons, not only that he also makes more money.

Since beaten could mean many thing in many ways.

I am sure he has done it, in some way and some how.

#10 Posted by InnerAssassin (308 posts) - - Show Bio

No. In official canon stories he never has and that is how it should be. Miller is always trying to make Batman great.

#11 Posted by MuyJingo (1592 posts) - - Show Bio

He never has in a straight up fight without help, without superman holding back. I think he could though.

http://www.comicvine.com/batman/29-1699/why-it-is-completely-plausible-that-batman-can-beat-superman/92-665109/

#12 Posted by Onemoreposter (3957 posts) - - Show Bio

@kgb725: I'm going to chalk this up as a win for Bruce

#13 Posted by logy5000 (5655 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think so.

#14 Posted by Selinaky (677 posts) - - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer: That's an awesome scene, I really like the friendship between Batman and Superman.

#15 Posted by StMichalofWilson (3709 posts) - - Show Bio

Well there is the Dark Knight Returns. Kinda.

#16 Posted by OhItsThatGuy (791 posts) - - Show Bio

I've seen John Stewart and Kilowog hand Superman his ass before, Twas hilarious.

#17 Edited by AmazingScrewOnHead (704 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes he beat him the dark knight returns, He was counting on superman holding back and he gave him the slip, Batman has the brains so therefore he wins every time

I wish Batman killed him.

#18 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@Reignmaker said:

Dark Knight Returns, Hush, and Tower of Babel.

Apart from Dark Knight Returns,all this is wrong.

In Hush he just slowed him down until Catwoman kidnapped Lois to get him to his senses.

In Tower of Babel,his plan was used by someone else to beat him.

Batman has and never will beat Superman in 1 vs 1,simply because he isn't meant to.

Batman is created for something else.

#19 Posted by ajnesh (4 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone can beat anyone in the DC Universe. That's what the truth is. Technological character can probably just teleport Superman to a red sun planet or to a kryptonite asteroid. Zatana or other magic users could probably just say a word and turn him in to a frog or mouse or something else puny. Hell we even see Poison Ivy control superman and bats snaps him out of it. The batman Superman fight is always about Batman being worried that Superman could turn or be controlled. Because of this Batman probably has a just in case plan that is always in effect waiting for a strike. All DC characters are capable of defeating each other and Superman and batman will most likely be a 50/50 battle. Superman represents a superior being, great savior with great powers saving humanity as to where Batman represents humanity rising to the occasion and saving themselves. Love the topic Comic Vine!

#20 Posted by batmannflash (6192 posts) - - Show Bio

It really depends what you mean by "truly beaten."

#21 Posted by ajnesh (4 posts) - - Show Bio

Scarecrows fear gas laced with kryptonite.

#22 Edited by kriminal (644 posts) - - Show Bio

the thing when batman beats superman, its with kryptonite, which makes him weaker than a human. I kinda think this is a huge problem with superman, that a rock makes him so vulnerable

#23 Edited by THEOCITYLEGEND (1173 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Posted by JetiiMitra (8223 posts) - - Show Bio

Not in any real fights. Either in canon or out of it.

Note: I'm defining a "fight" as both opponents actually trying.

#25 Posted by crazyAMRIT (14 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by w0nd (2965 posts) - - Show Bio

@kriminal said:

the thing when batman beats superman, its with kryptonite, which makes him weaker than a human. I kinda think this is a huge problem with superman, that a rock makes him so vulnerable

would you rather nothing made him vulnerable and he would be an unbeatable tank 24/7

#27 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17412 posts) - - Show Bio

no.

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#28 Edited by sinestro_GL (3067 posts) - - Show Bio

Beaten? No.

Temporarily gained the advantage, and was able to convince Superman not to beat him up into a fine-powder? Many times.

#29 Posted by RustyRoy (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

Well Baman has made better movies and cartoons, not only that he also makes more money.

Since beaten could mean many thing in many ways.

I am sure he has done it, in some way and some how.

#30 Posted by Jayc1324 (10040 posts) - - Show Bio

HE BEAT HIM IN THE DARK KNIGHT STRIKES AGAIN. NO EXCUSES THERE. Sorry for caps

#31 Posted by JetiiMitra (8223 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

HE BEAT HIM IN THE DARK KNIGHT STRIKES AGAIN. NO EXCUSES THERE. Sorry for caps

Serious or joking?

#32 Posted by Jayc1324 (10040 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran: serious. He had help and tons or prep and planning but he beat him

#33 Posted by JetiiMitra (8223 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@mitran: serious. He had help and tons or prep and planning but he beat him

Means he didn't beat him. He just struck the last blow. But I meant about the caps lock.

#34 Edited by TekTheNinja (766 posts) - - Show Bio

@amazingscrewonhead said:

Yes he beat him the dark knight returns, He was counting on superman holding back and he gave him the slip, Batman has the brains so therefore he wins every time

I wish Batman killed him.

I don't care if this is 6 months olds. F*CK YOU!!!

#35 Edited by Jayc1324 (10040 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran: Oh yeah the caps weren't serious, but shouldn't it count even if he had help?

Also in the dark knight returns he won too. He made supes bloody and bruised. He could've done more and beat him more convincingly if he didnt plan to die

#36 Posted by JetiiMitra (8223 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@mitran: Oh yeah the caps weren't serious, but shouldn't it count even if he had help?

Also in the dark knight returns he won too. He made supes bloody and bruised. He could've done more and beat him more convincingly if he didnt plan to die

Let's say you, Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris don't like me. If you convince me to come to a bar where the other two are waiting, they beat the living crap out of me, and then you punch me a couple times to make sure I'm down, could you really, really say that you beat me?

TDKR fight with Superman would count if Supes didn't survive without trying. By which I mean, he was defending himself most of the time, not really going offensive, took all that damage, was down for maybe a couple minutes, then hopped back up and could have kept going. To use a similar analogy as before, if I'm fighting Chuck Norris and he's just trying to talk to me, then I go for some low strike, can I really say I won? He wasn't trying.

#37 Posted by Jayc1324 (10040 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran: Well superman sure as heck didnt win that fight in the dark knight returns. He was trying there right? He was weakened though. I didnt read the sequel I'm just going off summaries for that one

#38 Posted by JetiiMitra (8223 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324:

Bruce got in all his good shots while Superman was trying to talk him out of fighting. And that's all Superman really tried to do. After the kryptonite dust, he became vulnerable to the point of damage, but not so much so that the "fight" was over.

#39 Posted by Jayc1324 (10040 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran: Alright that doesn't seem like much of a fight. But I'm still counting the dark knight returns

#40 Edited by JetiiMitra (8223 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324:

Your call. I just heavily disagree.

#41 Edited by Jayc1324 (10040 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran: My reasoning is only that if batman hadnt faked his death he would've continued to beat on superman and by the time Clark would've realized he needed to fight back or get seriously hurt or die, he would be too weak or hurt. But ok, we'll just disagree.

#42 Posted by WIshIWasSuperman (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@mitran: My reasoning is only that if batman hadnt faked his death he would've continued to beat on superman and by the time Clark would've realized he needed to fight back or get seriously hurt or die, he would be too weak or hurt. But ok, we'll just disagree.

Your reasoning makes sense, but I would just suggest that maybe the kryptonite gas was coming out of his system. Remember, logically he would have inhaled some and then exhaled it. Also his body can eventually process it out (otherwise any time someone has poisoned him with kryptonite he would die anyway). It's only a temporary effect. My theory is that the heart attack was timed by Bruce (since he was the ultimate Batgod in that story) to kick in around the time Superman would have started recovering from the kryptonite. However I do count it as a Batman "win" still as at the time the fight "ended" Bruce was in a position of power over Clark and ultimately he wasn't trying to kill Clark - he was trying to show the government that they couldn't stop him, even with their Superman weapon, if he didn't want to be beaten - so his plan was executed perfectly. And Clark did fight a little (Bruce had three broken ribs for example) - just not in the sense of actually trying to win or even really wanting to hurt Bruce... he just wanted the fight to stop so they could talk.

At any rate - it was non-canon. In terms of the OP it's only ever happened in non-canon stories (and only 3 times at that, TDKR, TDKSA and Armageddon 2001). Hush and Tower of Babel - I can't even understand why people bring these up. 1 wasn't even Bruce (I know it was his plan, but he's never actually used it). And in the other, Clark was on the verge of killing Bruce, and got distracted and was able to break Ivy's control because of the threat to Lois - Batman never beat him - he merely "survived", and that was WITH the k-ring. How does anyone ever consider this as Batman "beating" Superman in a fight? If someone can answer this for me - I'm all ears.

#43 Posted by Jayc1324 (10040 posts) - - Show Bio

@wishiwassuperman: I'd count Tower of Babel if batman actually did it. As for Hush, I wouldn't say he beat him in a fight more so as he just got the job done. The job was to get rid of ivys control of him and survive the encounter. Not really beating him. Even batman acknowledges he could've died easily. So I kinda agree with you there.

#44 Posted by WIshIWasSuperman (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@wishiwassuperman: I'd count Tower of Babel if batman actually did it. As for Hush, I wouldn't say he beat him in a fight more so as he just got the job done. The job was to get rid of ivys control of him and survive the encounter. Not really beating him. Even batman acknowledges he could've died easily. So I kinda agree with you there.

Yeah for sure. Had Batman enacted the plan - it would count for him, and I accept it as an argument for how Batman could potentially beat Superman. The Hush one annoys me since when it comes to "Batman Vs Superman" it's ALWAYS brought up and he didn't at any point get close to beating Superman in a VS sense.... Sorry - just find it annoying.... I enjoy debating this stuff and accept that Batman can beat Superman under the right scenario (it's fiction after all - anything is possible) - I just hate illogical arguments.

#45 Posted by Grubich (368 posts) - - Show Bio

Is there a story where superman has truly beaten batman to the point where the fight is over? Interruptions don't count.

#46 Posted by soldierofel (140 posts) - - Show Bio

Why do people consider hush a win for batman? All it really showed was that batman could get maybe four punches in and then come close to breaking his hand against superman's skin? In fact batman actually admits that superman would beat him. The only reason it end is because lois is put in danger. Plus The dark knight returns fight is not really a win. The fight stops when batman fakes his death. In the end without the kryptonite arrow from green arrow superman would of killed batman. He broke three of batman's ribs just by slamming is hand into his chest. But the majority of people say its a win. But anyway theres been no cannon fight between the two with batman wining. Most of the time it's superman either stopping or holding back which allows batman to escape.

#47 Posted by TheBhramaBull (268 posts) - - Show Bio

@soldierofel: There certainly is a canon fight where Batman wins. Superman/Batman #59 , in fact I believe in this issue Superman's powers are growing out of control exponentially and Bats takes him down

#48 Posted by tec79 (158 posts) - - Show Bio

I would consider the confrontation in Red Son a win for Batman until Wonder Women intervened, even then a heavy price was paid by Superman and Wonder Woman. Batman did recieve help reguarding the plan but the actual execution was entirely up to him.

#49 Posted by BATDUCK (4 posts) - - Show Bio

BEAT DOSE'NT MEAN KILL

#50 Edited by dbatdog (533 posts) - - Show Bio

I would say Batman had beaten Sups but I think subconsciously Clark wants to be beaten by Bruce....well lets face it, Sups can just throw him into space :)