#1 Edited by Wolverine08 (45689 posts) - - Show Bio

Hello my fellow Bat fans, today I wanted to talk about a new feat Batman got in Batman #23. In the back up for this issue, Bruce is shown training in Norway before he became Batman. His teacher is trying to teach him the art of war by trying to force him to kill men by throwing him in a deathmatch with hoards of men. Bruce manages to fight for 28 HOURS STRAIGHT, and defeat every man who challenged him while abiding by his no kill code. I like writers pushing Batman to the limit to show just how physically apt Batman is, but I really think Scott Snyder went into the deep end here. Bruce isn't Spider-Man, Captain America, or Wolverine. He doesn't have superhuman stamina, and I think this was a mind numbingly stupid feat.

What are you guys thoughts?

Online
#2 Edited by Alexander505 (2177 posts) - - Show Bio

He did it, right? so he can do it. He's a real peak human, he is not that moron of Bat-Bale. End of story

#3 Posted by Guardian_of_Gravity (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeahhh...there's no way that the human body can be pushed that far.

Just admit that Bruce Wayne is at least a little superhuman with some "mind over matter" explanation.

#4 Posted by Abhi471990 (64 posts) - - Show Bio

yea we need more feats like this so that he can give fight to superman with adamentium

#5 Posted by Wolverine08 (45689 posts) - - Show Bio

He did it, right? so he can do it. He's a real peak human, he is not that moron of Bat-Bale. End of story

Yeaaaaa, no. Most metahumans would have immense struggle to complete that feat, and for Batman, who is just a peak human to do this is a glaring paragon of PIS. I'm not saying make him weak like Nolan's Batman, but this type of stuff is pushing it to the extreme.

Online
#6 Edited by Alexander505 (2177 posts) - - Show Bio

Yup, Batman can do this thanks to the training in the yoga or something.

#7 Posted by Wolverine08 (45689 posts) - - Show Bio

Yup, Batman can do this thanks to the training in the yoga or something.

I would still find that explanation ridiculous.

Online
#8 Posted by MrShway88 (679 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless stated otherwise, it's just peak human ability.

#9 Posted by Guardian_of_Gravity (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally believe that Bruce Wayne has accessed a sort of superpower, an innate human potential for mind over matter, something that guys like Dr.Doom, Steve Rogers, and Lex Luthor have also accessed.

#10 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally believe that Bruce Wayne has accessed a sort of superpower, an innate human potential for mind over matter, something that guys like Dr.Doom, Steve Rogers, and Lex Luthor have also accessed.

... Or it could just be bullsh*t.

#11 Edited by batmannflash (6226 posts) - - Show Bio

Hahah well...it's an awesome feat nonetheless. I do agree it's a little over the top. But whatever. It's peak human ability in the comic book world

#12 Posted by Dayvid3 (864 posts) - - Show Bio

@alexander505 said:

Yup, Batman can do this thanks to the training in the yoga or something.

I would still find that explanation ridiculous.

indeed

Online
#13 Posted by RustyRoy (14005 posts) - - Show Bio

Has anyone in the real world achieved peak human status? Human has no limit,there are real people who can do far more durable staffs than this. And this is comic book, comic book human =/= real world people.

I personally believe that Bruce Wayne has accessed a sort of superpower, an innate human potential for mind over matter, something that guys like Dr.Doom, Steve Rogers, and Lex Luthor have also accessed.

An interesting concept.

#14 Posted by RDClip (1167 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, I called BS when I read that. Batgod is still alive and well. DC should just friggen create a new category of metahuman to descibe Batsy since he's amazing at everything.

#15 Edited by Wolverine08 (45689 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy:

I know comic book humans are superior to real humans, but I'm sorry, even for a comic book human, I find this feat utterly asinine.

Online
#16 Posted by Guardian_of_Gravity (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: The human body has very real limits. No matter how much you bulk up with muscle, a Grizzly bear will still be much stronger than you and you will still never do anything more than piss off an Elephant.

#17 Edited by MasterDetective (859 posts) - - Show Bio

you can"t prove it is impossible to do that

#18 Posted by Wolverine08 (45689 posts) - - Show Bio
Online
#19 Posted by Wolverine08 (45689 posts) - - Show Bio

you can"t prove it is impossible to do that

.................................................. Are you serious?

Online
#20 Posted by RustyRoy (14005 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: @guardian_of_gravity: Not talking about strength, talking about endurance. And if you had to put your life on the line you'd give more than 10x your capable of, Batman has been shown to stay awake for days without any fatigue, he's taken hit from far powerful people, even from meta humans, this isn't anything new, if you think it is then you need to admit that 90% of the Batman feats are PIS.

#21 Posted by Wolverine08 (45689 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@wolverine08: @guardian_of_gravity: Not talking about strength, talking about endurance. And if you had to put your life on the line you'd give more than 10x your capable of, Batman has been shown to stay awake for days without any fatigue, he's taken hit from far powerful people, even from meta humans, this isn't anything new, if you think it is then you need to admit that 90% of the Batman feats are PIS.

Most of what Batman does is superhuman in real life, but in the comic book world, fits into the peak human category. So I'm fine with it. This feat though is stupid, even for a comic book peak human. It is a glaring example of PIS in my opinion. If DC wants to make Batman a metahuman, fine, but don't have him do stuff like this, and still say he's just human.

Online
#22 Posted by Guardian_of_Gravity (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

you can"t prove it is impossible to do that

Actually you can, even the most rough and tumble of ancient warriors only fought in melee for minutes at a time before breaking off, taking a breather, then pushing back in because of how *exhausting* it is once the adrenaline stops flowing.

The comic implies Batman was fighting for 28 hours without any pause or rest. And I'm sorry but that's just not doable.

#23 Edited by RustyRoy (14005 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Yeah but its nothing compared to his previous feats and considering this is taking place at time when he is younger, stronger, faster and not nearly as physically damaged as the present day Batman so I don't understand why this should bother you or anyone now.

#24 Posted by Guardian_of_Gravity (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@wolverine08: Yeah but its nothing compared to his previous feats and considering this is taking place at time when he is younger, stronger, faster and not nearly as physically damaged as the present day Batman so I don't understand why this should bother you or anyone now.

The main problem is that generally the human body just can't engage in hard core non-stop melee combat for more than maybe fifteen minutes, meaning Batman can fight 112 times longer than a human, combine that with issues of hunger, accumulated injuries, sleep deprivation, and dehydration and the absurdity goes up.

This isn't remotely peak human, this is way the hell superpowered.

#25 Edited by Wolverine08 (45689 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@wolverine08: Yeah but its nothing compared to his previous feats and considering this is taking place at time when he is younger, stronger, faster and not nearly as physically damaged as the present day Batman so I don't understand why this should bother you or anyone now.

The main problem is that generally the human body just can't engage in hard core non-stop melee combat for more than maybe fifteen minutes, meaning Batman can fight 112 times longer than a human, combine that with issues of hunger, accumulated injuries, sleep deprivation, and dehydration and the absurdity goes up.

This isn't remotely peak human, this is way the hell superpowered.

Online
#26 Posted by Saren (25122 posts) - - Show Bio

The things people will find to QQ about.....this isn't even marginally the most ludicrous thing Batman has done.

Moderator
#27 Edited by TheBournePoster (1845 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty sure that Cap has fought for three dans straight. People only care if Batman has superhuman feats. I read comics to see cool impossible feats.

#28 Posted by Saren (25122 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty sure that Cap has fought for three dans straight.

When?

Moderator
#29 Posted by Alexander505 (2177 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, he's superpowered. So? You want write a letter to Snyder and say to him: you're silly, let me write something more realistic for Batman.

#30 Posted by RustyRoy (14005 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@wolverine08: Yeah but its nothing compared to his previous feats and considering this is taking place at time when he is younger, stronger, faster and not nearly as physically damaged as the present day Batman so I don't understand why this should bother you or anyone now.

The main problem is that generally the human body just can't engage in hard core non-stop melee combat for more than maybe fifteen minutes, meaning Batman can fight 112 times longer than a human, combine that with issues of hunger, accumulated injuries, sleep deprivation, and dehydration and the absurdity goes up.

This isn't remotely peak human, this is way the hell superpowered.

But this is nothing new, Batman has done far more unbelievable things than this, so if you didn't have a problem before why do you have now?

#31 Posted by Outside_85 (10312 posts) - - Show Bio

So Batman has stopped being human.

Seriously, the human body, peak, trained or otherwise is not built to be able to handle that kind of activity for that amount of time, and it should have given out long before that.

#32 Posted by Guardian_of_Gravity (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, he's superpowered. So? You want write a letter to Snyder and say to him: you're silly, let me write something more realistic for Batman.

I'd rather DC just admit that he's superhuman and drop the peak human thing altogether. It'd be more faithful to his character and there are ways to give him superhuman powers without getting too "unbatmanish". The Mind over Matter theory I mentioned earlier. It's clear that in both Marvel and DC, Martial arts can grant some pretty biology twisting powers, so they could say that he learned techniques that let him bring his body beyond that of what his physiology by all means should allow.

#33 Posted by Wolverine08 (45689 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, he's superpowered. So? You want write a letter to Snyder and say to him: you're silly, let me write something more realistic for Batman.

Ok.

Online
#34 Posted by Alexander505 (2177 posts) - - Show Bio

Years ago, Batman was able almost to break a glass that could withstand a missile's hit, and he was injured and depowered by gas when did that. So? Nothing new...

#35 Edited by Alexander505 (2177 posts) - - Show Bio

@guardian_of_gravity said:

@alexander505 said:

Ok, he's superpowered. So? You want write a letter to Snyder and say to him: you're silly, let me write something more realistic for Batman.

I'd rather DC just admit that he's superhuman and drop the peak human thing altogether. It'd be more faithful to his character and there are ways to give him superhuman powers without getting too "unbatmanish". The Mind over Matter theory I mentioned earlier. It's clear that in both Marvel and DC, Martial arts can grant some pretty biology twisting powers, so they could say that he learned techniques that let him bring his body beyond that of what his physiology by all means should allow.

Yes I agree with you. So, what is Batman? A vampire? He has now the same physical abilities of a vampire, maybe?

#36 Posted by RustyRoy (14005 posts) - - Show Bio

@alexander505 said:

Ok, he's superpowered. So? You want write a letter to Snyder and say to him: you're silly, let me write something more realistic for Batman.

I'd rather DC just admit that he's superhuman and drop the peak human thing altogether. It'd be more faithful to his character and there are ways to give him superhuman powers without getting too "unbatmanish". The Mind over Matter theory I mentioned earlier. It's clear that in both Marvel and DC, Martial arts can grant some pretty biology twisting powers, so they could say that he learned techniques that let him bring his body beyond that of what his physiology by all means should allow.

Your theory would still make it peak human cause it was achieved by means of training not a freak accident or anything else, so he won't still be superhuman.

#37 Edited by Chaos Burn (1789 posts) - - Show Bio

Champion boxers and UFC fighters are tired within minutes of intense fighting 1-1, i'm pretty sure we have nothing in our own universe that could possible explain a normal, albeit peak, human fighting successfully for 28hrs.

Basic biology would rule that he at least would de-hydrate in a few hours, depending on how much refreshment he got

#38 Posted by Alexander505 (2177 posts) - - Show Bio

The power of the mind, could explain the Batman's feats, yes, and how he reached the physical and mental perfection.

#39 Posted by Saren (25122 posts) - - Show Bio

The sad part is that Batman fighting for 28 hours is the only thing people seem to take away from that story despite it actually being a little thought-provoking. The point of the story wasn't "Look at how much stamina Batman has, this should make some fanboys cry", it was intended to be a rebuttal to the idea that Batman killing his enemies is the only way to stop evil permanently. Snyder's take is that Bruce doesn't need to kill as long as he can frighten the cowardly superstitious lot into submission, but while that take might work on low-level criminals and rogues like Penguin or Riddler, it doesn't provide a satisfactory answer for the likes of Joker, Bane, Ra's et al; the villains who simply aren't scared of Batman. This is a point that's been raised in pre-FP Batman stories as well; Bruce relies on fear to keep Gotham standing, so what happens when someone who's just not afraid of him shows up?

But nooooo, let's all go crazy over an over-the-top Batman feat instead.......like those are rare or something.....

Moderator
#40 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6540 posts) - - Show Bio

Is that "Age 24" referring to Bruce? And if so, does that make it easier to know how old he is for sure? Like is this part set 6 years ago like the rest of Zero Year apparently is?

#41 Edited by Alexander505 (2177 posts) - - Show Bio

So Bruce has 30 years old

Probably, now that he's Batman, has more stamina than before huahuahauha Maybe now can fight for three days....LOL

#42 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (35151 posts) - - Show Bio

peak human is the greatest super power in comics, it's basically reality warping at this point

#43 Edited by Guardian_of_Gravity (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@guardian_of_gravity said:

@alexander505 said:

Ok, he's superpowered. So? You want write a letter to Snyder and say to him: you're silly, let me write something more realistic for Batman.

I'd rather DC just admit that he's superhuman and drop the peak human thing altogether. It'd be more faithful to his character and there are ways to give him superhuman powers without getting too "unbatmanish". The Mind over Matter theory I mentioned earlier. It's clear that in both Marvel and DC, Martial arts can grant some pretty biology twisting powers, so they could say that he learned techniques that let him bring his body beyond that of what his physiology by all means should allow.

Your theory would still make it peak human cause it was achieved by means of training not a freak accident or anything else, so he won't still be superhuman.

He'd be preforming beyond the context of his biology, so in a sense he would still be superhuman. As he is indeed doing better than the human body can allow. But right now we're delving into semantics.

#44 Edited by Wolverine08 (45689 posts) - - Show Bio
Online
#45 Posted by w0nd (4077 posts) - - Show Bio

Wtf is he luthor strode now. Mind over matter turning him into a modern day hercules.

Online
#46 Edited by Alexander505 (2177 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm really curious what think Snyder and Capullo about Bruce's strength...Maybe we'll find out...

#47 Posted by Jayc1324 (13521 posts) - - Show Bio

@alexander505: Bale batman did some ridiculous stuff too, but that might be off topic

#48 Posted by Alexander505 (2177 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

@alexander505: Bale batman did some ridiculous stuff too, but that might be off topic

For be in the realistic world, yes, probably.

#49 Posted by RelentlessAbyss (7 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebourneposter: When did he fight for 3 days straight? And at what intensity?

#50 Posted by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a comic book. Most of what Batman does probably isn't possible for a real life "peak human".