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#1 Edited by plaZeHD (24 posts) - - Show Bio

Which one captured that true spirit of the batman universe? Which one was "spot on" with the characters they brought up?

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#2 Edited by M_Man (2385 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it's obvious that the Arkham series captured the spirit of the universe more than the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight trilogy was sort of a re-imagining.

Love both though.

#3 Posted by Joygirl (20839 posts) - - Show Bio

Arkham. This should be a poll.

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#4 Posted by cameron83 (7798 posts) - - Show Bio

@m_man said:

I think it's obvious that the Arkham series captured the spirit of the universe more than the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight trilogy was sort of a re-imagining.

Love both though.

#5 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (2068 posts) - - Show Bio

@m_man said:

I think it's obvious that the Arkham series captured the spirit of the universe more than the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight trilogy was sort of a re-imagining.

Love both though.

Thank you for saying what I wanted to say, but without me making the effort to type it.

#6 Edited by ULTRAstarkiller (7519 posts) - - Show Bio

The Arkham Series by far but Nolan's series(excluding DKR) is very awesome too.

#7 Edited by Black_Arrow (5007 posts) - - Show Bio

@m_man said:

I think it's obvious that the Arkham series captured the spirit of the universe more than the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight trilogy was sort of a re-imagining.

Love both though.

#8 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (15451 posts) - - Show Bio

Video games vs Movies?

Not the same, there is no way this could be fair, since video games dont take the same logic that movies and have the huge advantage of all the emotions will give you by playing it, not only that games are going to be longer and you dont see it from the same distance you do with a movie.

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#9 Posted by Jack Donaghy (1291 posts) - - Show Bio

Arkham games.

#10 Edited by gator4eva (400 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000: I definitely agree. It's easier to make up a cool plot for a video game and use it than it is for a movie. Especially movie sequels. You also have to add the fact that some people might not like the actor that plays certain rolls in the movie, where video games can make the characters look as close to the real deal as possible. The Arkham series included way more characters than the dark knight trilogy, so based on that alone people will prefer the video game. Add to that the fact that you play the game longer than you watch the movie and that most people enjoy video games more than movies and it's already going to be stacked in Arkham series' favor.

#11 Posted by RustyRoy (14938 posts) - - Show Bio

Spirit of the Batman Universe? If you watch it closely then you'll see that Nolan's movies capture it perfectly as the Arkham games do. But the tone and environment, setting etc. of the Arkham games are closer to Comic Books then the movies.

#12 Posted by plaZeHD (24 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000: I knew it was unfair, since well, you can be the batman himself in the video game. Or in other words in the video game you see it from a first person perspective and in the movie you see it from a third person perspective. But how about if we compare how well made were the characters? And acting. Which one brought up the characters alive? Which one nailed the characters more?

#13 Posted by plaZeHD (24 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl said:

Arkham. This should be a poll.

Sorry, I was going to, but I forgot.

#14 Posted by Bruxae (15469 posts) - - Show Bio

Arkham series is awesome, it made alot of characters better then their comic book versions.

I liked the Trilogy but only since I looked at it as a complete re-imagining, it doesnt hold a candle to the real bat.

#15 Posted by entropy_aegis (15984 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000: I definitely agree. It's easier to make up a cool plot for a video game and use it than it is for a movie. Especially movie sequels. You also have to add the fact that some people might not like the actor that plays certain rolls in the movie, where video games can make the characters look as close to the real deal as possible. The Arkham series included way more characters than the dark knight trilogy, so based on that alone people will prefer the video game. Add to that the fact that you play the game longer than you watch the movie and that most people enjoy video games more than movies and it's already going to be stacked in Arkham series' favor.

This.

For me it's Nolans trilogy,I'm not really fond of video games.Now as to the OP,the Nolan series captured the spirit the games captured the style and tone.

@bruxae said:

Arkham series is awesome, it made alot of characters better then their comic book versions.

I liked the Trilogy but only since I looked at it as a complete re-imagining, it doesnt hold a candle to the real bat.

It made no one better,well maybe Scarecrow.Hugo Strange and Bane were crap,the rest were exactly the same as their comicbook counterparts.

#17 Edited by entropy_aegis (15984 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: you didn't like Hugo Strange in the game? Mhh could you elaborate?

and i can see why you didn't like bane though. also i think it made penguin and killer croc better as well.

Ra's al Ghul's b*tch,Croc was the same,Penguin I would have agreed if it weren't for the Pain and Prejudice mini series.

#19 Edited by ssejllenrad (13028 posts) - - Show Bio

Arkham series... But if I was given a choice between Arkhamverse and Burtonverse, I'd pick the latter.

#20 Posted by ARMIV2 (9163 posts) - - Show Bio

The Nolan-verse films do a really good take and twist on the Batman mythos, but so far the Arkham series has been doing so awesomely well in immersing me in this environment that Batman works in. It has all the "gritty darkness" of the movies, but not by being like the movies, if that makes sense. It takes its comic-book based world seriously, and as it is a video game, you the player get to spend so much more personal time getting in and "feeling" that world.

#21 Posted by RustyRoy (14938 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@theacidskull said:

@entropy_aegis: you didn't like Hugo Strange in the game? Mhh could you elaborate?

and i can see why you didn't like bane though. also i think it made penguin and killer croc better as well.

Ra's al Ghul's b*tch,Croc was the same,Penguin I would have agreed if it weren't for the Pain and Prejudice mini series.

I see, But Hugo was still very menacing and he did play a BIG role, as for croc, he was a joke in the comics, but here he seemed like serious threat, first time i ever liked the character

Yeah agreed, they also made Riddler more interesting.

#22 Posted by gotwillpower (718 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@theacidskull said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@theacidskull said:

@entropy_aegis: you didn't like Hugo Strange in the game? Mhh could you elaborate?

and i can see why you didn't like bane though. also i think it made penguin and killer croc better as well.

Ra's al Ghul's b*tch,Croc was the same,Penguin I would have agreed if it weren't for the Pain and Prejudice mini series.

I see, But Hugo was still very menacing and he did play a BIG role, as for croc, he was a joke in the comics, but here he seemed like serious threat, first time i ever liked the character

Yeah agreed, they also made Riddler more interesting.

Riddles are so much fun to solve in each game. The trophies are fun too, but the riddles are even better.

Anyways, I have to agree with most everyone that Arkham is better. Not really a fair comparison, but still a worthwhile discussion.

#23 Posted by VampireSelektor (829 posts) - - Show Bio

Video games vs Movies?

Not the same, there is no way this could be fair, since video games dont take the same logic that movies and have the huge advantage of all the emotions will give you by playing it, not only that games are going to be longer and you dont see it from the same distance you do with a movie.

I agree with this statement. Nolan has pointed out the differences in adapting a comic book into a semi-realistic film.

#24 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (15451 posts) - - Show Bio

@plazehd: This Quotes are your awnser

@plazehd said:

I knew it was unfair, since well, you can be the batman himself in the video game. Or in other words in the video game you see it from a first person perspective and in the movie you see it from a third person perspective. But how about if we compare how well made were the characters? And acting. Which one brought up the characters alive? Which one nailed the characters more?

Now as to the OP,the Nolan series captured the spirit the games captured the style and tone.

@deathpoolthet1000: I definitely agree. It's easier to make up a cool plot for a video game and use it than it is for a movie. Especially movie sequels. You also have to add the fact that some people might not like the actor that plays certain rolls in the movie, where video games can make the characters look as close to the real deal as possible. The Arkham series included way more characters than the dark knight trilogy, so based on that alone people will prefer the video game. Add to that the fact that you play the game longer than you watch the movie and that most people enjoy video games more than movies and it's already going to be stacked in Arkham series' favor.

This quotes are the freacking truth

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#25 Posted by Bruxae (15469 posts) - - Show Bio

@gator4eva said:

@deathpoolthet1000: I definitely agree. It's easier to make up a cool plot for a video game and use it than it is for a movie. Especially movie sequels. You also have to add the fact that some people might not like the actor that plays certain rolls in the movie, where video games can make the characters look as close to the real deal as possible. The Arkham series included way more characters than the dark knight trilogy, so based on that alone people will prefer the video game. Add to that the fact that you play the game longer than you watch the movie and that most people enjoy video games more than movies and it's already going to be stacked in Arkham series' favor.

This.

For me it's Nolans trilogy,I'm not really fond of video games.Now as to the OP,the Nolan series captured the spirit the games captured the style and tone.

@bruxae said:

Arkham series is awesome, it made alot of characters better then their comic book versions.

I liked the Trilogy but only since I looked at it as a complete re-imagining, it doesnt hold a candle to the real bat.

It made no one better,well maybe Scarecrow.Hugo Strange and Bane were crap,the rest were exactly the same as their comicbook counterparts.

I see so 1 = no one? I think Killer Croc was made alot better too, hes the ultimate jobber in comics. There was alot of small visual upgrades too, just general improvements.

I agree Bane were pretty bad though.

#26 Edited by entropy_aegis (15984 posts) - - Show Bio

@bruxae said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@gator4eva said:

@deathpoolthet1000: I definitely agree. It's easier to make up a cool plot for a video game and use it than it is for a movie. Especially movie sequels. You also have to add the fact that some people might not like the actor that plays certain rolls in the movie, where video games can make the characters look as close to the real deal as possible. The Arkham series included way more characters than the dark knight trilogy, so based on that alone people will prefer the video game. Add to that the fact that you play the game longer than you watch the movie and that most people enjoy video games more than movies and it's already going to be stacked in Arkham series' favor.

This.

For me it's Nolans trilogy,I'm not really fond of video games.Now as to the OP,the Nolan series captured the spirit the games captured the style and tone.

@bruxae said:

Arkham series is awesome, it made alot of characters better then their comic book versions.

I liked the Trilogy but only since I looked at it as a complete re-imagining, it doesnt hold a candle to the real bat.

It made no one better,well maybe Scarecrow.Hugo Strange and Bane were crap,the rest were exactly the same as their comicbook counterparts.

I see so 1 = no one? I think Killer Croc was made alot better too, hes the ultimate jobber in comics. There was alot of small visual upgrades too, just general improvements.

I agree Bane were pretty bad though.

I dont think making Scarecrow better is much of an achievement,a horror characters like him is always gonna come across better in a live action environment over a piece of paper,same goes for Croc.

#27 Edited by RustyRoy (14938 posts) - - Show Bio

For me it's Nolans trilogy,I'm not really fond of video games.Now as to the OP,the Nolan series captured the spirit the games captured the style and tone.

Agreed

#28 Posted by Loki9876 (3322 posts) - - Show Bio

Arkham series captured the gritty feel and seriousness but still had fantasy and a comic book feel.

#29 Posted by xlab3000 (3544 posts) - - Show Bio

both are good but have to go with the Arkham series.

#30 Posted by Loki9876 (3322 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: he worked with Ra's but I wouldn't call him his b*tch. Hugo and Ra's had the same goals so Hugo used Ra's to an extent not only the other way around.

#31 Edited by Breadspread (771 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000: I agree, apples and oranges.

The entire Nolan trilogy is less than 8 hours. The first games's main story, not including side quests and extras, is over 12 hours.

And as mentioned already, the way we engage with each one is completely different. One is passive and the other is interactive.

The Medium is the message.

The video games also use voice actors that we associate with other Bat-media. I'm sold as soon as I hear Hamil's cackle.

Video games have to take it, but it was an unfair fight from the beginning.

#32 Posted by Xeno_Seeker (418 posts) - - Show Bio

arkham stomps on nolans movies.

#33 Posted by MikeyJ122 (122 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

Both good, Arkham better imo. Anyone want to discuss?

#34 Posted by modernww2fare (2693 posts) - - Show Bio

Arkham

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#35 Posted by Deathstroke52 (2814 posts) - - Show Bio

Movies

#36 Posted by Frozen (19654 posts) - - Show Bio

Both are great. Games and Movies are not the same though. In a game, you can play up to 10 hours of gameplay in one sitting and the makers can add different aspects whenever they want (gadgets, etc). All 3 Nolan films combined do not equal the gameplay campaign runtime of one Arkham Game. The films had to tell Batman's entire story in around 9 hours, which is a damn hard task.

I'd agree with the previous claim that the Nolan films captured the spirit better whereas the games captured the style and tone better.

I prefer Arkham Batman though.

#37 Posted by Black_Arrow (5007 posts) - - Show Bio

I will expand more on what I quoted. Nolan´s remagining caught the spirit of Batman stories completely but the Arkham universe for obvious reasons has an spirit more closer to the comics in tone and style. Both of them in their own way have the true spirit of Batman.

#38 Edited by Frozen (19654 posts) - - Show Bio

@black_arrow: I agree. I do prefer Arkham Batman over Nolan Batman, for a number of reasons.

But I also think Arkham is just a TAS update.

My favorite Batman is the Batman from THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS.

#39 Posted by Black_Arrow (5007 posts) - - Show Bio
@frozen said:

@black_arrow: I agree. I do prefer Arkham Batman over Nolan Batman, for a number of reasons.

But I also think Arkham is just a TAS update.

My favorite Batman is the Batman from THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS.

I think Rocksteady intended for it to be similar to TAS. I mean you already know what fans love why change the formula make something with similar style and put it in the game. I love both Miller stories TDKR and Year one but My personal favorite are the batman as sometimes is potrayed by Grant Morrison.

#40 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (7519 posts) - - Show Bio

I will expand more on what I quoted. Nolan´s remagining caught the spirit of Batman stories completely but the Arkham universe for obvious reasons has an spirit more closer to the comics in tone and style. Both of them in their own way have the true spirit of Batman.

#41 Edited by Boynerdgeek (2720 posts) - - Show Bio

Nolan realism destroy beauty of Batman universe. Oh Nolanites, please stop saying oh Nolan is make the best Batman ever blah blah blah. Please, Batman doesn't need realism and nolanism. They destroy comicbook.

Meanwhile Nolanites, don't say make stupid statement saying oh Nolan Batman beat Arkham games Batman and Batman TAS when clearly Nolan Batman retire for 8 years just for a girl, then comeback then retire again. Seriously Bob Kane and Bill Finger will be upset with that

#42 Posted by blackhawk000111 (980 posts) - - Show Bio

@m_man said:

I think it's obvious that the Arkham series captured the spirit of the universe more than the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight trilogy was sort of a re-imagining.

Love both though.

Thank you for saying what I wanted to say, but without me making the effort to type it.

#43 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (19271 posts) - - Show Bio

Both series are great overall. But I have to go with the Arkham games.

#44 Posted by ganon15 (2707 posts) - - Show Bio

Nolan realism destroy beauty of Batman universe. Oh Nolanites, please stop saying oh Nolan is make the best Batman ever blah blah blah. Please, Batman doesn't need realism and nolanism. They destroy comicbook.

Meanwhile Nolanites, don't say make stupid statement saying oh Nolan Batman beat Arkham games Batman and Batman TAS when clearly Nolan Batman retire for 8 years just for a girl, then comeback then retire again. Seriously Bob Kane and Bill Finger will be upset with that

what's a Nolanite?

#45 Posted by lamdaddy20 (836 posts) - - Show Bio

As movies, I think the Nolan trilogy was awesome. However, when trying to capture the "spirit" of the Batman universe, it really fails. Nolan likes to make movies that are grounded in reality, so there was no way that he would embrace the comic book roots. Batman is such a weakling in the movies. He's probably clocked in like a total year and a half as Batman before his body gets completely broken. He can't fight at all, gets beaten up by dogs, relies on other people to take out his villains, acts out of character (like letting Ra's die) and does other stupid stuff (like that voice!). The Arkham games, on the other hand, really capture the essence of Batman through his fighting, his gadgets/tech, his villains, his allies, and just other things in general.

#46 Posted by iDude (1058 posts) - - Show Bio

Arkham.

#47 Posted by lamdaddy20 (836 posts) - - Show Bio

@ganon15: a Nolanite is just a fanboy of Christopher Nolan; they treat him like he's the best director ever.

#48 Posted by Jayc1324 (16749 posts) - - Show Bio

Not fair to say because Nolan didn't try to capture the comic book batman world. He did his own. But yeah Arkham had the true spirit down.

#49 Posted by MuyJingo (2728 posts) - - Show Bio

Nolan's Batman isn't Batman. He isn't a detective, he relies on other people to help him with almost everything and he has no trouble killing.

Arkham Batman on the other hand is a pretty valid interpretation, entertaining and well done.

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#50 Posted by PlaysWithSquirrels (251 posts) - - Show Bio

I think both the TDK trilogy and the Arkham games capture the spirit of the characters aside from TDKR. Clearly the Arkham games are closer in tone to the comics, that's without a doubt.