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Posted by batshrine (996 posts) 1 year, 4 months ago

Poll: Bat Girls vs Bat Boys?!? Who wins? (53 votes)

Bat Girls (Batgirl, Spoiler, Black Bat, Batwoman, Huntress, Catwoman, Girls of Batman Inc, Birds of Prey) 30%
Bat Boys (Nightwing, Red Hood, Red Robin, Robin, Batwing, Azrael, Guys of Batman Inc) 70%

So who do you guys think would win? I was going to put Batman in as a third option, but he would win hands down :-P.

#1 Edited by batshrine (996 posts) - - Show Bio

And if you want You could totally put outsiders into this equation as well!

#2 Posted by spidermanandsuperman (283 posts) - - Show Bio

Bat boys

#3 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4530 posts) - - Show Bio

The team with Damian wins!

#4 Posted by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

- The men obviously unless of course you include Shiva and Talia with the girls. If Shiva and Talia (who could easily manhandle your set of girls as far as i'm concerned) were included then, i think they would have a decent chance.

#5 Posted by batshrine (996 posts) - - Show Bio

- The men obviously unless of course you include Shiva and Talia with the girls. If Shiva and Talia (who could easily manhandle your set of girls as far as i'm concerned) were included then, i think they would have a decent chance.

Why say Shiva, when I included Cassandra who defeated Shiva?

#6 Edited by Joygirl (20040 posts) - - Show Bio

It'll be close, but most of the boys have a slight edge over their counterpart. Even Cass has Azrael to make things ugly.

#7 Posted by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman251 said:

- The men obviously unless of course you include Shiva and Talia with the girls. If Shiva and Talia (who could easily manhandle your set of girls as far as i'm concerned) were included then, i think they would have a decent chance.

Why say Shiva, when I included Cassandra who defeated Shiva?

- You mean after Shiva killed her? Is this a rhetorical question?

- If you didn't know, Shiva is superior to all of the "bat boys".

#8 Edited by BaneStrokeLoboGrundyBatArrow (1394 posts) - - Show Bio

Bat boys also who's spoiler

#9 Posted by batshrine (996 posts) - - Show Bio

@banestrokelobogrundybatarrow said:

Bat boys also who's spoiler

Dan Didio just got really happy with that comment. Spoiler is Stephanie Brown...second to most wanted to return after the Flash, I mean Wally West :-P.

#10 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (13268 posts) - - Show Bio

@batshrine said:

And if you want You could totally put outsiders into this equation as well!

so that would make it

Nightwing

Alfred

Red Robin

Red Hood

Robin

Creeper

Black Lightning

Geo-Force

Metamorpho

Atomic Knight

Faust

Technocrat

Wylde

Eradicator

Arsenal

Shift

Shazam (Freddy Freeman)

Green Arrow

Owlman

Freight Train

Olympian

Nightrunner

El Gaucho

The Hood

Dark Rnger

Batwing

Bat-Mite

Azrael

Orpheus

Harold Allnut

Knight

Remac

is that everybody? that would be pretty hard to beat

#11 Posted by batshrine (996 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenging_x_bolt: Haha I didn't really think when I posted that comment. Are there really that many guy outsiders compared to females? that is sad...

#12 Edited by Outside_85 (9200 posts) - - Show Bio

Bat Girls, because they have a greater tendency to be an 'nth-level' something.

#13 Posted by Pokeysteve (8330 posts) - - Show Bio

@batshrine: Voted for the girls but definitely would be a great fight. What versions are these? Pre52? New52?

@batshrine said:
@thejman251 said:

- The men obviously unless of course you include Shiva and Talia with the girls. If Shiva and Talia (who could easily manhandle your set of girls as far as i'm concerned) were included then, i think they would have a decent chance.

Why say Shiva, when I included Cassandra who defeated Shiva?

- You mean after Shiva killed her? Is this a rhetorical question?

- If you didn't know, Shiva is superior to all of the "bat boys".

You didn't actually read the story did you?

#14 Posted by batshrine (996 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve: Well I am honestly thinking Pre52 simply because not all the girls exist anymore...

#15 Posted by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@batshrine: Voted for the girls but definitely would be a great fight. What versions are these? Pre52? New52?

@thejman251 said:

@batshrine said:
@thejman251 said:

- The men obviously unless of course you include Shiva and Talia with the girls. If Shiva and Talia (who could easily manhandle your set of girls as far as i'm concerned) were included then, i think they would have a decent chance.

Why say Shiva, when I included Cassandra who defeated Shiva?

- You mean after Shiva killed her? Is this a rhetorical question?

- If you didn't know, Shiva is superior to all of the "bat boys".

You didn't actually read the story did you?

- Yes, because Shiva definitely didn't put her in a lazarus pit.

- Try again.

#16 Posted by RustyRoy (12812 posts) - - Show Bio

The team with Damian wins!

This. Anyway some of those boys are very aggressive and don't mind using lethal force against anyone so I'd say Batboys win.

#17 Posted by Pokeysteve (8330 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve: Well I am honestly thinking Pre52 simply because not all the girls exist anymore...

That makes sense.

@pokeysteve said:

@batshrine: Voted for the girls but definitely would be a great fight. What versions are these? Pre52? New52?

@thejman251 said:

@batshrine said:
@thejman251 said:

- The men obviously unless of course you include Shiva and Talia with the girls. If Shiva and Talia (who could easily manhandle your set of girls as far as i'm concerned) were included then, i think they would have a decent chance.

Why say Shiva, when I included Cassandra who defeated Shiva?

- You mean after Shiva killed her? Is this a rhetorical question?

- If you didn't know, Shiva is superior to all of the "bat boys".

You didn't actually read the story did you?

- Yes, because Shiva definitely didn't put her in a lazarus pit.

- Try again.

Umm.....you're right. She definitely did NOT put her in a Lazarus pit. Not my point either. You didn't read the story.

#18 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

Girls

#19 Edited by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Azrael nearly solos this.

Bat-boys stomp.

#20 Posted by batshrine (996 posts) - - Show Bio
@rustyroy said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

The team with Damian wins!

This. Anyway some of those boys are very aggressive and don't mind using lethal force against anyone so I'd say Batboys win.

lol my only response is Huntress. And lets be honest we know non of them will actually use lethal force.

#21 Edited by danhimself (22578 posts) - - Show Bio

Batgirls....none of the men could beat Cass

#22 Edited by ULTRAstarkiller (6206 posts) - - Show Bio
#23 Posted by Black_Claw (2997 posts) - - Show Bio

Any team with Batman on it always wins.

#24 Posted by RustyRoy (12812 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself: Its not a one on one match. Nightwing and Red Robin are one of the leaders and tacticians in DCU and Batwing, Azrael are heavily armored with weapons and protection and Red hood uses guns.

#25 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassandra Cain is the last one standing.

#26 Posted by consolemaster001 (5661 posts) - - Show Bio

This can't be a serious question

#27 Posted by Bruxae (13984 posts) - - Show Bio

The girls ofcourse.

#28 Edited by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@batshrine said:

@pokeysteve: Well I am honestly thinking Pre52 simply because not all the girls exist anymore...

That makes sense.

@thejman251 said:

@pokeysteve said:

@batshrine: Voted for the girls but definitely would be a great fight. What versions are these? Pre52? New52?

@thejman251 said:

@batshrine said:
@thejman251 said:

- The men obviously unless of course you include Shiva and Talia with the girls. If Shiva and Talia (who could easily manhandle your set of girls as far as i'm concerned) were included then, i think they would have a decent chance.

Why say Shiva, when I included Cassandra who defeated Shiva?

- You mean after Shiva killed her? Is this a rhetorical question?

- If you didn't know, Shiva is superior to all of the "bat boys".

You didn't actually read the story did you?

- Yes, because Shiva definitely didn't put her in a lazarus pit.

- Try again.

Umm.....you're right. She definitely did NOT put her in a Lazarus pit. Not my point either. You didn't read the story.

- Oh, yes, Shiva definitely didn't revive her in a way that wasn't revealed to the reader.

Dead as a doornail.

- Would you like to try again?

#29 Edited by Pokeysteve (8330 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman251:

Lol you didn't read the story. There were circumstances behind Cass losing. Post all the scans you want.

#30 Posted by RustyRoy (12812 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg said:

Cassandra Cain is the last one standing.

And then all the boys take her down.

#31 Posted by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman251:

Lol you didn't read the story. There were circumstances behind Cass losing. Post all the scans you want.

- Yes, you are ignorantly telling me what i did or did not read. That definitely makes complete sense.( obvious sarcasm).

- Yes, the circumstances being that she got her ass handed to her.

-DId you enjoy Shiva "stomping" Cass? I'm sure Shiva did.

#32 Edited by Pokeysteve (8330 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve said:

@thejman251:

Lol you didn't read the story. There were circumstances behind Cass losing. Post all the scans you want.

- Yes, you are ignorantly telling me what i did or did not read. That definitely makes complete sense.( obvious sarcasm).

- Yes, the circumstances being that she got her ass handed to her.

-DId you enjoy Shiva "stomping" Cass? I'm sure Shiva did.

I'm ignoring you posting scans from a story you obviously know nothing about so why don't you just stop. I can explain what was going on if you want.

#33 Posted by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman251 said:

@pokeysteve said:

@thejman251:

Lol you didn't read the story. There were circumstances behind Cass losing. Post all the scans you want.

- Yes, you are ignorantly telling me what i did or did not read. That definitely makes complete sense.( obvious sarcasm).

- Yes, the circumstances being that she got her ass handed to her.

-DId you enjoy Shiva "stomping" Cass? I'm sure Shiva did.

I'm ignoring you posting scans from a story you obviously know nothing about so why don't you just stop. I can explain what was going on if you want.

- Yes, you definitely know what i do and do not know about even though i've read the issue.

- Am i supposed to care that she allegedly wanted to die? She was manhandled regardless.

#34 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@fodigg said:

Cassandra Cain is the last one standing.

And then all the boys take her down.

I think you must have misunderstood. Nobody can take her. That's why they had to write her out of continuity. Too OP, even compared to Batman.

#35 Posted by RustyRoy (12812 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg: She's been beaten before. She is a better H2h fighter but Batwing, Azrael and RH are armored beasts and what can she do against them ?

#36 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@fodigg: She's been beaten before. She is a better H2h fighter but Batwing, Azrael and RH are armored beasts and what can she do against them ?

This is a woman who can dodge bullets after they've been fired without superpowers. She can apparently do whatever she wants.

#37 Posted by Pokeysteve (8330 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve said:

@thejman251 said:

@pokeysteve said:

@thejman251:

Lol you didn't read the story. There were circumstances behind Cass losing. Post all the scans you want.

- Yes, you are ignorantly telling me what i did or did not read. That definitely makes complete sense.( obvious sarcasm).

- Yes, the circumstances being that she got her ass handed to her.

-DId you enjoy Shiva "stomping" Cass? I'm sure Shiva did.

I'm ignoring you posting scans from a story you obviously know nothing about so why don't you just stop. I can explain what was going on if you want.

- Yes, you definitely know what i do and do not know about even though i've read the issue.

- Am i supposed to care that she allegedly wanted to die? She was manhandled regardless.

1) I don't care if you care or not. It's on panel.

2) There is no "allegedly" here. Like I said, it's on panel and is a fact of that story. When she fought seriously, afterwards, she beat her.

You're either in denial about how good Cass is or you just really love Shiva. Which is it?

#38 Posted by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman251 said:

@pokeysteve said:

@thejman251 said:

@pokeysteve said:

@thejman251:

Lol you didn't read the story. There were circumstances behind Cass losing. Post all the scans you want.

- Yes, you are ignorantly telling me what i did or did not read. That definitely makes complete sense.( obvious sarcasm).

- Yes, the circumstances being that she got her ass handed to her.

-DId you enjoy Shiva "stomping" Cass? I'm sure Shiva did.

I'm ignoring you posting scans from a story you obviously know nothing about so why don't you just stop. I can explain what was going on if you want.

- Yes, you definitely know what i do and do not know about even though i've read the issue.

- Am i supposed to care that she allegedly wanted to die? She was manhandled regardless.

1) I don't care if you care or not. It's on panel.

2) There is no "allegedly" here. Like I said, it's on panel and is a fact of that story. When she fought seriously, afterwards, she beat her.

You're either in denial about how good Cass is or you just really love Shiva. Which is it?

- By this logic, Shiva "wasn't fighting seriously" from the start as Shiva wanting to die was on the panel as well.

- Thus, Shiva killed her when even though Shiva "wasn't serious"(using your apparent definition) regardless. Oh, and it's on the panel.

#39 Posted by Pokeysteve (8330 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman251:

- By this logic, Shiva "wasn't fighting seriously" from the start as Shiva wanting to die was on the panel as well.

- Thus, Shiva killed her when even though Shiva "wasn't serious"(using your apparent definition) regardless. Oh, and it's on the panel.

Not the same thing. Cass wanted to die as penance because she felt guilty. Shiva wants to find someone who is better than her in H2H. They wouldn't be better than her if she let them win. That answers your first line and the second one I don't understand. Your point is lost among the condescension.

#40 Posted by RustyRoy (12812 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg said:

@rustyroy said:

@fodigg: She's been beaten before. She is a better H2h fighter but Batwing, Azrael and RH are armored beasts and what can she do against them ?

This is a woman who can dodge bullets after they've been fired without superpowers. She can apparently do whatever she wants.

Many characters can dodge bullets, that doesn't make them invincible.

#41 Edited by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman251:

- By this logic, Shiva "wasn't fighting seriously" from the start as Shiva wanting to die was on the panel as well.

- Thus, Shiva killed her when even though Shiva "wasn't serious"(using your apparent definition) regardless. Oh, and it's on the panel.

Not the same thing. Cass wanted to die as penance because she felt guilty. Shiva wants to find someone who is better than her in H2H. They wouldn't be better than her if she let them win. That answers your first line and the second one I don't understand. Your point is lost among the condescension.

- They aren't the same thing in your opinion. However, by your definition, neither of them was fighting seriously as they both "wanted to die". That is unless you are conceding the fact that your definition is purely subjective.

- Regardless, this argument of either one of them "not fighting seriously" seems quite subjective regardless. However, i'm sure that you will continue to attempt to assert your opinion as a fact nonetheless.

#42 Edited by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg said:

@rustyroy said:

@fodigg said:

Cassandra Cain is the last one standing.

And then all the boys take her down.

I think you must have misunderstood. Nobody can take her. That's why they had to write her out of continuity. Too OP, even compared to Batman.

- Nobody can "take her"? False.

- You might think Cassandra is god however, you'll need to try again.

#43 Edited by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy said:

@fodigg said:

@rustyroy said:

@fodigg: She's been beaten before. She is a better H2h fighter but Batwing, Azrael and RH are armored beasts and what can she do against them ?

This is a woman who can dodge bullets after they've been fired without superpowers. She can apparently do whatever she wants.

Many characters can dodge bullets, that doesn't make them invincible.

In her case I think it indicates a certain level of assumed PIS in her favor.

#44 Posted by Pokeysteve (8330 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve said:

@thejman251:

- By this logic, Shiva "wasn't fighting seriously" from the start as Shiva wanting to die was on the panel as well.

- Thus, Shiva killed her when even though Shiva "wasn't serious"(using your apparent definition) regardless. Oh, and it's on the panel.

Not the same thing. Cass wanted to die as penance because she felt guilty. Shiva wants to find someone who is better than her in H2H. They wouldn't be better than her if she let them win. That answers your first line and the second one I don't understand. Your point is lost among the condescension.

- They aren't the same thing in your opinion. However, by your definition, neither of them was fighting seriously as they both "wanted to die". That is unless you are conceding the fact that your definition is purely subjective.

- Regardless, this argument of either one of them "not fighting seriously" seems quite subjective regardless. However, i'm sure that you will continue to attempt to assert your opinion as a fact nonetheless.

It wasn't my opinion. It's fact. Those are not the same circumstances. I explained it pretty flat out. You're just stubborn.

#45 Posted by Arkhamc1tizen (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

boys

#46 Posted by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman251 said:

@pokeysteve said:

@thejman251:

- By this logic, Shiva "wasn't fighting seriously" from the start as Shiva wanting to die was on the panel as well.

- Thus, Shiva killed her when even though Shiva "wasn't serious"(using your apparent definition) regardless. Oh, and it's on the panel.

Not the same thing. Cass wanted to die as penance because she felt guilty. Shiva wants to find someone who is better than her in H2H. They wouldn't be better than her if she let them win. That answers your first line and the second one I don't understand. Your point is lost among the condescension.

- They aren't the same thing in your opinion. However, by your definition, neither of them was fighting seriously as they both "wanted to die". That is unless you are conceding the fact that your definition is purely subjective.

- Regardless, this argument of either one of them "not fighting seriously" seems quite subjective regardless. However, i'm sure that you will continue to attempt to assert your opinion as a fact nonetheless.

It wasn't my opinion. It's fact. Those are not the same circumstances. I explained it pretty flat out. You're just stubborn.

- Cassandra wanting to die = Cassandra holding back and Shiva wanting to die =/= Shiva holding back are your opinions sir.

- You're simply ignorant of the difference between a fact and an opinion. Get over it.

#47 Posted by Pokeysteve (8330 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve said:

@thejman251 said:

@pokeysteve said:

@thejman251:

- By this logic, Shiva "wasn't fighting seriously" from the start as Shiva wanting to die was on the panel as well.

- Thus, Shiva killed her when even though Shiva "wasn't serious"(using your apparent definition) regardless. Oh, and it's on the panel.

Not the same thing. Cass wanted to die as penance because she felt guilty. Shiva wants to find someone who is better than her in H2H. They wouldn't be better than her if she let them win. That answers your first line and the second one I don't understand. Your point is lost among the condescension.

- They aren't the same thing in your opinion. However, by your definition, neither of them was fighting seriously as they both "wanted to die". That is unless you are conceding the fact that your definition is purely subjective.

- Regardless, this argument of either one of them "not fighting seriously" seems quite subjective regardless. However, i'm sure that you will continue to attempt to assert your opinion as a fact nonetheless.

It wasn't my opinion. It's fact. Those are not the same circumstances. I explained it pretty flat out. You're just stubborn.

- Cassandra wanting to die = Cassandra holding back and Shiva wanting to die =/= Shiva holding back are your opinions sir.

- You're simply ignorant of the difference between a fact and an opinion. Get over it.

You seem ignorant to the fact that not everything is black and white. Maybe think it through some more.

#48 Edited by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman251 said:

@pokeysteve said:

@thejman251 said:

@pokeysteve said:

@thejman251:

- By this logic, Shiva "wasn't fighting seriously" from the start as Shiva wanting to die was on the panel as well.

- Thus, Shiva killed her when even though Shiva "wasn't serious"(using your apparent definition) regardless. Oh, and it's on the panel.

Not the same thing. Cass wanted to die as penance because she felt guilty. Shiva wants to find someone who is better than her in H2H. They wouldn't be better than her if she let them win. That answers your first line and the second one I don't understand. Your point is lost among the condescension.

- They aren't the same thing in your opinion. However, by your definition, neither of them was fighting seriously as they both "wanted to die". That is unless you are conceding the fact that your definition is purely subjective.

- Regardless, this argument of either one of them "not fighting seriously" seems quite subjective regardless. However, i'm sure that you will continue to attempt to assert your opinion as a fact nonetheless.

It wasn't my opinion. It's fact. Those are not the same circumstances. I explained it pretty flat out. You're just stubborn.

- Cassandra wanting to die = Cassandra holding back and Shiva wanting to die =/= Shiva holding back are your opinions sir.

- You're simply ignorant of the difference between a fact and an opinion. Get over it.

You seem ignorant to the fact that not everything is black and white. Maybe think it through some more.

- Again, you seem ignorant of the the difference between a fact and an opinion. Maybe you should look it up.

#49 Edited by Pokeysteve (8330 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman251 said:

@pokeysteve said:

You seem ignorant to the fact that not everything is black and white. Maybe think it through some more.

- Again, you seem ignorant of the the difference between a fact and an opinion. Maybe you should look it up.

A fact is something you can prove. I can prove their reasons for wanting to die are different. It's not really my problem if you aren't able/willing to accept/understand it.

#50 Posted by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman251 said:

@pokeysteve said:

You seem ignorant to the fact that not everything is black and white. Maybe think it through some more.

- Again, you seem ignorant of the the difference between a fact and an opinion. Maybe you should look it up.

A fact is something you can prove. I can prove their reasons for wanting to die are different. It's not really my problem if you aren't able/willing to accept/understand it.

- Again, you seem ignorant of what i was referring to.

- You cannot prove that Cassandra was holding back and Shiva wasn't, when your reason for saying such is subjectively claiming that one reason for wanting to die equates to holding back, and the other does not. Hence, it's subjective and not a fact. It's not my problem if you are unable to comprehend this either.