i say they are equaly bad .All star is f***ing crazy but has great art, and earth one has one major issue that ruins the whole book. I dont mind that he isnt the greatest at anything or realy all that good at anything for that matter. My problem is that the story isnt about justice its about revenge and since bruce is really not that great of a person this makes him completely unlikeable. Ya he still has batman not using guns(which really dosnt make sense in this story) and at the end of the story he does have him continue being batman but it feels more like hes saying "well i have a suit so might as well keep going" instead of you know just wanting to help people.
the only redeeming thing about All Star was the art...the story and Batman's portrayal are absolutely horrible....I have never liked Miller's Batman...he comes off as a psychopath
I liked Earth one and I think ASBAR is one of the worst comics ever lol
i disagree. as its own universe Allstar is very good imo. it was cool to see a Batman that kills and was crazy. I thought Earth One was an abomination and i cant believe they let a guy who openly hates batman write it.
ASBAR is so much better than Earth One that it isn't funny. Not that I think ASBAR is actually good, but Crazy Steve is just so goddamn hilarious. It's like watching a complete train wreck on film. It's wrong, but entertaining.
Earth One is just stupid, ineffectual Steve flailing around.
When it comes to quality of story Earth One. Both have an incredible mis-characterization of their protagonist but at the very least the supporting cast in Earth One is written well and the story makes enough sense. That being said I probably personally prefer All-Star because it didn't horrendously nerf Batman and I have a biased need to see my favorite character kick ass.
When it comes to quality of story Earth One. Both have an incredible mis-characterization of their protagonist but at the very least the supporting cast in Earth One is written well and the story makes enough sense. That being said I probably personally prefer All-Star because it didn't horrendously nerf Batman and I have a biased need to see my favorite character kick ass.
@sog7dc: I know right? That pissed off, oh well it was made for a different target audience than me is all. All the people who want to see Batmann continue to do nothing in Justice League and get continuously mocked by Hal Jordan for not having any powers.
@sog7dc: I know right? That pissed off, oh well it was made for a different target audience than me is all. All the people who want to see Batmann continue to do nothing in Justice League and get continuously mocked by Hal Jordan for not having any powers.
superman earth one didnt offend me. Batman Earth One did. Lets just say that geoff johns doesnt hate batman.....even still he CLEARLY is not the choice to write a batman title based soley upon his track record with the character. His writing of Batman is wholly disapproved by the majority of batman fans ive interacted with. so why would dc choose him to write a batman title?????
@sog7dc: Yeah, I personally loved Superman Earth One which just added to my disappointment. I think John's just doesn't believe in Batman, you need a certain suspension of disbelief to write a human character who keeps up with the JL. His attempt to write Batman are probably just his personal vision of what the character should be like. Also he is CCO at DC so nobody has to choose him to do anything he can write what he wants. To be honest I won't be really offended until Johns puts him in JL Earth One thus implying that his Batman is about as usefull as the real Batman. As to why he would work in AO I am clueless.
@sog7dc: No reason other then I disagree. I think All Star is not so much a deconstruction as it is a spit in the face by Frank Miller and one of the reasons I don't think he is relevant anymore. While Earth 1 may not have been the predator we know Batman to be the story was something I enjoyed. And it has room to improve. Bruce can get better tactics, gear and training. All Star Goddamned Batman is rotten to the core. There is no redemption for him. He is a sad caricature who became what our Batman would fight against to the end.
I suppose I could sum it up to Miller's Batman isn't Batman. He's just wearing the skin.
@sog7dc: Yeah, I personally loved Superman Earth One which just added to my disappointed. I think John's just doesn't believe in Batman, you need a certain suspension of disbelief to write a human character who keeps up with the JL. His attempt to write Batman are probably just his personal vision of what the character should be like. Also he is CCO at DC so nobody has to choose him to do anything he can write what he wants. To be honest I won't be really offended until Johns puts him in JL Earth One thus implying that his Batman is about as usefull as the real Batman. As to why he would work in AO I am clueless.
@risingbean: i agree with you on ASBAR but the problem with Earth one isnt that his batman isnt that good at anything. Its that Bruce dosnt want to become batman so he can stop what happened to him from happening to anyone else but so he can get revenge, and that pushes a character that is kind of a douche to some one who is completely unlikable.
You people make me feel bad for liking Batman E1 :-( I would understand the anger if it was canon, what i don't understand is why are you getting so worked up over an elseworlds.
I don't understand how people can say Batman was mis-characterized any either of those books since they are both non-canon stand alones with the writers creating a new interpretation of the character
@jonny_anonymous: The reason he is mis-characterized is because readers have a certain expectation when they read a Batman story. If you give Batman a machine gun and he dresses up in black and kills mobsters, that isn't Batman. It's the Punisher. You can name him Bruce Wayne and give him a mansion, but he isn't Batman. He's the Punisher wearing Batman's face.
@lordofthenorth: All that would take to fix is an expansion of his view point. He wants revenge, and has gotten it. So now he can look past his own suffering and see that there are others in the same position of helplessness he was once in. The difference is they don't have a fortune to spend to fix things as Bruce did. Bruce could easily decide to take the suffering of the city upon himself and protect it's denizens. It's an easy and natural progression if they decide to make sequels.
I don't understand how people can say Batman was mis-characterized any either of those books since they are both non-canon stand alones with the writers creating a new interpretation of the character
@risingbean: You could but that would be weak as hell that means hes pain and his problems are more important than those of the people of Gotham and that means he has no reason to become batman becuase it begs the qustion why the hell did he put on a bat suit if all he wants is revenge than why does he refuse to use guns. it dosnt add up.the story also leaves the revenge meaningless. I mean what did he learn form seeking revenage,what did he gain what did he loss anwser to all these is nothing. this experiance changes nothing for bruce. Iam willing to bet that when the next issue comes out you could cut out most of this story and it wont matter in the least.
@squalleon: What didnt you see all the superman fans getting piss off that sups was the villian in injustice.
but to anwser you the problem is when you read an elseworld story of a character you still want the elements of the character to still be their. Take a look at Red Sun completely out their takes on character that we love but they still have elements of the characters so you still felt like you were reading about your favorite characters just in another place or another time.
these 2 books thou have nothing like that sure they have batman but really if they had replaced them with characters with completely different names would it matter? would you notice? Than you have to ask what elements of his character do they have. Do they have his charm? his personality? his drive? his wisdom? how about his heart? the quick anwser is no these two stories are batman in name only
@lordofthenorth: I think you are even more cynical then I am. At any rate people change. Their motives change, their actions. I don't think it would be dumb. It'd be progression.
@risingbean: Yes iam pretty cynical mostlikey why batman resonates with me
Their can be progression through these types of stories but the problem with Earth One is that at the end of the book Bruce hasnt change at all he learned nothing form the experiance except he needs to get better he didnt learn he was beening selfess he didnt learn seeking revange is shallow
I don't understand how people can say Batman was mis-characterized any either of those books since they are both non-canon stand alones with the writers creating a new interpretation of the character
Exactly. Readers expectations for said stories don't mean anything, and really they shouldn't have any because it's always made very clear when a story's an elseworlds/imaginary tale taking place in an alternate universe. There's no right or wrong way to write an alternate version of a character. That idea's ridiculous.
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