#1 Posted by NovaUniverse (104 posts) - - Show Bio

What is it that you like or dislike about the Avengers and why?

#2 Edited by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

I like them because Captain America leads them.

I like them because they inspired the Ultimates.

#3 Edited by Dark_Vengeance_ (14587 posts) - - Show Bio

Movie or team overall?

#4 Posted by Oscars94 (2337 posts) - - Show Bio

I love character the interaction. It really shows how different they are as individuals.

#5 Posted by chocobojam (288 posts) - - Show Bio

I dislike them ever since i read AvX.

#6 Edited by NightHaunter (111 posts) - - Show Bio

I dislike their ties to the government/SHIELD, where the JL is a bit more freelance. And I preferred them smaller.

#7 Posted by Arkhamc1tizen (2116 posts) - - Show Bio

i like jonathan hickman

#8 Posted by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

I like them because Captain America (one of my all time favorites) is their leader.

And because Iron Man and Hawkeye are in their team and I really love both of those.

That, as well as character interaction and story. However, I dislike the ties to SHIELD/government. Most of the time they're free lance which I like but I hate it when they become government tools.

#9 Edited by oldnightcrawler (4262 posts) - - Show Bio

What is it that you like or dislike about the Avengers and why?

The thing I like most about the Avengers is seeing how the different characters interact with each other. There's characters from ancient mythology, like Hercules or Thor, interacting with more modern sci-fi characters like Ironman, the Hulk, or the Vision; there's the specialists ranging from Hawkeye to Dr.Strange interacting with mutants and superheroes, and every character has their own unique back-story and perspective. It makes it feel like, whoever's on the team, they're at the very center of an extremely diverse and extraordinary world; one with a rich and colorful history, where tomorrow can happen every day. How all of these different characters relate to that world, and to each other, makes for way more fun stories than any of them acting on their own.

What I don't like about the Avengers is when the stories have almost nothing to do with the characters, Hickman.

#10 Edited by CheeseSticks (2387 posts) - - Show Bio

I dislike them because they think they know what's good or bad

#11 Posted by knighthood (1693 posts) - - Show Bio

I dislike groups whose members have their own solo titles. It creates too many continuity problems. I really do like Iron Man and Captain Marvel though.

I dislike that people are more focused on the movie than the comics. The comics produce 60 plus(?) stories a year and the movies do about one to two stories a year if you count Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Cap.

I dislike how the majority of the Marvel U heroes are now Avengers.

I like the members that have no solo titles. Particulary Vision, Wonder Man, Crystal, Sersi, Firestar, Hellcat, Jocasta, Machine Man, Monica Rambeau, Quasar, Nova, Scarlet Witch, She Hulk, Tigra, and Wasp. Even new members like Abyss, Ex Nihlo, Hyperion, Manifold, Nightmask, Smasher, Star Brand, and Tamara Devoux.

I like what Hickman is doing at the moment.

@novauniverse said:

What is it that you like or dislike about the Avengers and why?

The thing I like most about the Avengers is seeing how the different characters interact with each other. There's characters from ancient mythology, like Hercules or Thor, interacting with more modern sci-fi characters like Ironman, the Hulk, or the Vision; there's the specialists ranging from Hawkeye to Dr.Strange interacting with mutants and superheroes, and every character has their own unique back-story and perspective. It makes it feel like, whoever's on the team, they're at the very center of an extremely diverse and extraordinary world; one with a rich and colorful history, where tomorrow can happen every day. How all of these different characters relate to that world, and to each other, makes for way more fun stories than any of them acting on their own.

What I don't like about the Avengers is when the stories have almost nothing to do with the characters, Hickman.

So you think of the Avengers as a massive team up book? Interesting point of view. I like that too, but the conflicting continuities with the solo titles through me off.

How far have you read Hickman's Avengers? Just curious.

#12 Edited by oldnightcrawler (4262 posts) - - Show Bio

@knighthood said:

So you think of the Avengers as a massive team up book? Interesting point of view. I like that too, but the conflicting continuities with the solo titles through me off.

From one way of looking at it, the Avengers is and always has been a team up book. On the one hand, you've got the recognized characters teamed up with newer or more obscure characters, to give some spotlight to the latter group. And then some of those new or obscure characters can become the stars in their own right; Hawkeye's a classic example of this, starting as a random Iron-man antagonist before joining the team to being one of the most popular characters and having his own books and teams.

On the other hand, the dynamics of this character testing ground are the real manifestation of the whole shared universe idea. It's one thing to have characters guest star in each other's stories and say, okay, these characters exist within the same world; but with the Avengers, that that shared world exists is the major unifying theme.

It has it's own specific mythos attached to it, of course, through characters like Wonder-man, the Vision, the Pyms, etc.. but at it's core, it's like the center or common ground of this world where the imaginary people live. So you've always got some characters who come from their own or from other stories, and some that really just belong to that center, but you sort of have to have both (or have characters who sort of are both, like Cap' or Iron-man, etc) for it to really be the Avengers.

I don't really care if any character's solo stories line up with the versions of the characters in the Avengers anymore than I care that Hercules looks and talks differently than Kevin Sorbo; it's just a different story. Thor in the Avengers is extremely different from the tales he was inspired by, or even Captain America, for that mater, but there's no right or wrong version of a character that's made up to begin with. People think of The Dark Knight Returns as a definitive Batman story, even though Superman is written completely different in it than any other story (heck, don't even get me started on Superman).

How far have you read Hickman's Avengers? Just curious.

I've read the first 16 issues of Avengers (though, I stopped buying it after issue 14). I have some appreciation for some of what Hickman's doing there, but so much of it feels like it's at the expense of what I really find interesting about the Avengers: the specific character interactions. For most of the story, most of the characters have felt pretty interchangeable; maybe that's some intentional, meta-commentary, but, like I say, it's not as interesting to me as seeing the characters really interact. It might as well be in an alternate reality, as far as I'm concerned, because Hickman hasn't given me a reason to care about any of the characters (except Hyperion, who, y'know, is from an alternate reality).

I find his New Avengers far more interesting, I've read (and loved) every issue of that. Even if the characters are only playing their significant roles within the MU, and not always anything deeper, their roles are still pretty specific to their characters, and represent the different and even disparate corners of their world. It does feel more like it should be called the Illuminati than the New Avengers, but I still think it's more what I like about the Avengers than Avengers is.

Really, Uncanny Avengers is the book that's got the most of what I like about the Avengers: classic members having specific character interactions with new members, all from distinct and disparate corners of the MU. That book's all about the specific character interactions driving the story, that's what I think of when I think of the Avengers. So, when I read characters mentioning the Avengers, this is just the team I assume they're talking about (and, really, it usually would be anyway, more or less).

#13 Edited by War Killer (19992 posts) - - Show Bio

I dislike their headquarters being Avengers Tower, I prefer them using Avengers Mansion as their HQ.

#14 Edited by tigerkaya (1262 posts) - - Show Bio
@oldnightcrawler said:

@novauniverse said:

What is it that you like or dislike about the Avengers and why?

The thing I like most about the Avengers is seeing how the different characters interact with each other. There's characters from ancient mythology, like Hercules or Thor, interacting with more modern sci-fi characters like Ironman, the Hulk, or the Vision; there's the specialists ranging from Hawkeye to Dr.Strange interacting with mutants and superheroes, and every character has their own unique back-story and perspective. It makes it feel like, whoever's on the team, they're at the very center of an extremely diverse and extraordinary world; one with a rich and colorful history, where tomorrow can happen every day. How all of these different characters relate to that world, and to each other, makes for way more fun stories than any of them acting on their own.

What I don't like about the Avengers is when the stories have almost nothing to do with the characters, Hickman.

Along with @oldnightcrawler statements I'd like to add that one of the things I also like about the Avengers is how all the characters are (particularly the non solo title members) connected from Wonderman, Vision, Hank Pym, Beast, Scarlet Witch , former small time villains becoming members and Tigra. Among my other favorites is how they have made Artificial Intelligence beings a new species in the Marvel U.

What i don't like is when the Avengers consist of mainly Street Level only members (New Avengers), pander to one specific race (Uncanny Avengers), and take in large numbers of X-men members we don't need members that appear daily on another title when their a plethora of small and underrated heroes in the Marvel U.

#15 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4262 posts) - - Show Bio

Along with @oldnightcrawler statements I'd like to add that one of the things I also like about the Avengers is how all the characters are (particularly the non solo title members) connected from Wonderman, Vision, Hank Pym, Beast, Scarlet Witch , former small time villains becoming members and Tigra. Among my other favorites is how they have made Artificial Intelligence beings a new species in the Marvel U.

What i don't like is when the Avengers consist of mainly Street Level only members (New Avengers), pander to one specific race (Uncanny Avengers), and take in large numbers of X-men members we don't need members that appear daily on another title when their a plethora of small and underrated heroes in the Marvel U.

Yeah. I actually agree that the Avengers shouldn't take on large numbers of X-men members. I do like that there's at least a few (Rogue, Havok, and Beast especially). AND I especially agree that they shouldn't be on the team because they're mutants; they should be there because they make/could make good Avengers. And because the Avengers should represent the best marvel heroes, from all of their stories.

I don't think anything needs to be said about what a great fit the Beast is on the Avengers, and Rogue has a lot of great history with members of the team. Havok just has some cool things that connect him to different parts of the MU, like him leading Freedom Force or the Starjammers. or that his dad was the original Starjammer and his brother conquered a galactic empire. Actually, I can kind of picture all three of them being on some kind of cosmic Avengers. With Carol Danvers.

Anyway, yeah, it shouldn't be about them being mutants even if that's how it's started. Even that's a kind of Avenger thing, considering the unfortunate way Falcon joined. X-men is about them being mutants, Avengers shouldn't have to be.

#16 Posted by PowerHerc (81637 posts) - - Show Bio

I like the fact that they've managed to have some of the most eclectic rosters over the years.

I dislike the fact that Marvel has put practically every big-name character in the MU on the team at some point in the past ten years.

#17 Edited by chem86 (356 posts) - - Show Bio

Like- The Avengers movie is what got me into comics, first comic I read as an adult was Hickmans Avengers #1. Loved Captain America as a kid, some of my first comics before I collected. Bruce Banner/Hulk another one of my favorite characters! Iron man adds some flavor to the group. In general I just like seeing a group of heroes at once, its fun to see how well they can play and interact off each other.

Dislike- Not much. I wanna say Hank Pym because I don't like him, but that being said he big part of the avengers at times. So if you're gonna talk about avengers Pym is gonna come up in the convo eventually. He did create one of my favorite villians Ultron.

#18 Edited by dbatdog (532 posts) - - Show Bio

I like that they have the best heavy hitters in their team

I don't like what happened in Civil War and AvX --- i prefer they fought villains instead of other heroes

#19 Edited by HumanRocket (7518 posts) - - Show Bio

I like the interaction they have. they have different backgrounds beliefs values which clash with one another. I like the team chemistry that they have especially during the mighty avengers and new avengers series. What I dislike is the expanded roster it seems every hero in he MU is a avenger I dislike the so many teams they have going and I dislike the forced interactions they have sometimes when they add a new member to spice things up with the team so that being said I really dislike uncanny avengers. I also dislike that former avengers are forgotten at the moment ( Wonder Man).

#20 Posted by youngwonderman (51 posts) - - Show Bio

I love everything about them!

#21 Edited by kid Apollo (709 posts) - - Show Bio

i dislike how everyone and their dog is now a member. i realize that its not a new concept for the team but a little exclusivity never hurt anyone. its like Iceman once said about the X-men 'all you have to do is stand in the lobby long enough and you'll be considered a member'

#22 Posted by phisigmatau (463 posts) - - Show Bio

i dislike how everyone and their dog is now a member. i realize that its not a new concept for the team but a little exclusivity never hurt anyone. its like Iceman once said about the X-men 'all you have to do is stand in the lobby long enough and you'll be considered a member'

I dislike them ever since i read AvX.

bingo

this tooo

but i <3 Thor

#23 Posted by tigerkaya (1262 posts) - - Show Bio

So most of us agree Uncanny Avengers needs to be cancelled in order to bring back exclusivity much like X-men teams are a mutant exclusive team.

#24 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (4696 posts) - - Show Bio

I like the current stories

I dislike AvX

#25 Posted by Tyrus (1083 posts) - - Show Bio

The only thing I dislike about the Avengers is that they've never had a core team (like the Justice League). Captain America, Iron Man and Thor are the only 3 established members that have been with the team from the beginning but the Avengers still need a 'Big 5' or 'Big 7'...

#26 Edited by spider11211 (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

So most of us agree Uncanny Avengers needs to be cancelled in order to bring back exclusivity much like X-men teams are a mutant exclusive team.

No, I like the book. I think it has the classic dysfunction of the original Avengers series.