Is Flash truly the fastest character in all of comic books?

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#1 Posted by Noobasaurus_Rex (443 posts) - - Show Bio

When you look and compare all of the speedsters, is Flash truly the fastest? If you throw him up against Runner or Makkari, wouldn't they be able to beat him? I mean, all 3 of them are speedsters first and foremost, and Runner is very fast. He was fast enough to outrun Silver Surfer if I remember correctly. Makkari is the eternal of speed. That is what he focused on, and Makkari is extremely fast. I mean, I kind of find it hard to believe that Flash is the fastest comic book character when there are characters like Runner and Makkari around.

#2 Posted by Vitality (1763 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not sure...but I always believed that he should be. In my opinion.
#3 Edited by brc2000 (1676 posts) - - Show Bio

He (Wally) is probably the fastest non-god/non-flying character.

#4 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio
@brc2000 said:
"He (Wally) is probably the fastest non-god/non-flying character. "

probably this but i think zoom will still beat him in a race
#5 Posted by tensor (5095 posts) - - Show Bio

have to say all though flash is the fastest sa superman has the all time speed feat not even flash has beaten that feat yet

#6 Edited by velle37 (6037 posts) - - Show Bio

I've never seen any other character go as fast as Wally is portrayed to have gone.......... 
 
Zoom is the only one who can look as fast as Wally..... But he has no kinetic energy, he just warps his time stream to appear fast...... 
 
So Wally probably is the fastest speedster.............
#7 Posted by RLAAMJR (2481 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Marvel and DC has agreed to make him the fastest

#8 Posted by Sexy Merc (41971 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, I remember hearing about their special meeting on who would be the fastest character out of both publishers. I believe Storm got most powerful.

#9 Posted by Mercy_ (91871 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sexy Merc said:
" Yeah, I remember hearing about their special meeting on who would be the fastest character out of both publishers. I believe Storm got most powerful. "
LMAO.
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#10 Posted by King Saturn (225088 posts) - - Show Bio
probably... The Flash ( Wally West ) was incredibly fast... 
#11 Posted by Primmaster64 (21073 posts) - - Show Bio

Yep..everyone who read/doesn't read comics, when they always think of speed, Flash comes in mind.

#12 Posted by lagoon_boy (10878 posts) - - Show Bio
Ain't Zoom?
#13 Posted by brc2000 (1676 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom isn't actually fast, though. He's just able to slow down the relative time around him.

#14 Posted by Wurl124 (114 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally is the fastest.   
 

Wally West for President!!!!

 
Vote Wally!!!
#15 Posted by SystemID (439 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Saturn said:
" probably... The Flash ( Wally West ) was incredibly fast...  "
yes.. but is he... cheetah fast?
#16 Edited by emptytomb (398 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought most dragonball z characters were the fastest since they are so fast that they could teleport themselves to different places instantly.

#17 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
@brc2000 said:
"Zoom isn't actually fast, though."
 
 
 
Fast.  adj.   
Moving or able to move, operate, function or take effect quickly.  Quick, swift, rapid.
 
Sounds like Zoom is pretty fast to me. 
 
I think people get confused because characters in the comics will say that Zoom has no speed.  That is, he has no connection to the speed force.  Zoom has been refered to as "the fastest man alive" so I'd say that when he had his powers, he was definately faster than the Flash.
#18 Posted by wallywest55 (230 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom is technically faster then flash bc he runs via timestream and there are no limitations to it bc he shares the power with no one else.  so that would make wally 2nd fastest. =(

#19 Posted by Britt601 (456 posts) - - Show Bio

Quicksilver????? No???
#20 Posted by wallywest55 (230 posts) - - Show Bio
@Britt601:  lol no sir
#21 Posted by Britt601 (456 posts) - - Show Bio
@wallywest55 said:
" @Britt601:  lol no sir"

It's ma'am actually. lol.
#22 Posted by wallywest55 (230 posts) - - Show Bio
@Britt601:  hahaha so sorry madam.
#23 Posted by MKF30 (11528 posts) - - Show Bio

Bart Allen is the fastest Flash it's said to be, I used to think it was barry though...once they go Speed Force nothing can go faster so yeah, they're all faster then SS, Makari, Northstar and Runner...so is Zoom since as others mentioned, he can slow time around him down and just move faster then everyone else.

#24 Posted by Nova`Prime` (4165 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't be fooled its the red suit.. he just looks like he's going really fast.

#25 Posted by brc2000 (1676 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom:  Yeah I know how Zooms powers work and that he can technically outspeed Flash, but still.  Else you could call someone who is able to stop time while being able to carry out tasks fast as well, unless I'm completely misunderstanding Zoom's ability.
#26 Posted by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom II / Hunter Zolomon is currently depowered so whether or not he has speed is irrelevant.  And despite hyperbolic descriptions of his powers, in terms of actual demonstrable speed feats, Wally has him beat (barring one story arc- with every other appearance them being on par).
 
Of actually repeatedly demonstrated speed, Wally West is the fastest.

#27 Posted by Mainline (1072 posts) - - Show Bio

re: Which Flash is Fastest? 
 
 The rough answer is whomever is the title Flash.  The only reason for that is because he's called "The Fastest Man Alive" and that's kinda undercut if there's another Flash out there who's actually faster. 
 
That said, there are different standards of proof.  If you go by hearsay, adult Bart was the Fastest.  Everyone said so in the comic but he never showed it.  If you go by title, the main Flash book is currently Barry's so he's the fastest.  If you go by "feats" (that is, events that took place in-story in current continuity) or demonstrations of actual speed, Wally's the fastest until another Flash does something more impressive (which, for the time being, is unlikely because Barry's being written more street level currently).  You could also by citation (same as "feats" but instead of cherry picking only the fastest speeds, picking specific examples when their speed was compared or talked about in comics; or taking an "average" of how their speed is portrayed) which goes in every direction for specific instances but the " average" would be that they're all equal. 
 
The real answer for any individual fan is whichever Flash you like the best. :P 
 
Those trying to be more diplomatic about it might try to differentiate their powersets.  Jay is a veteran who's been through WW2, he has a bunch of hat-tricks where he uses his metal helmet much like Captain America uses his shield, he is first... but because of age his endurance and top speed isn't there.  Barry always had a high top speed that he didn't have to earn and thus he focused on learning a lot of quasi-scientific speed tricks that don't make sense today but we take them for granted as part of Flash's powerset (intangibility, whirlwinds, etc) revolving around molecules and aura.  Wally's arc was all about recapturing the speed he had when he was Kid Flash, going beyond it, and discovering the Speed Force and its tricks so his techniques tended to be more metabolism / speed-based / kinetic-energy related but more powerful than Barry.  Finally, Bart, due to his youth, has the highest potential since he's learning about the Speed Force young, whereas Barry never knew and Wally learned it older... but so far is not quite as fast.
 
Anyways, you can interpret the question a bunch of different ways.

#28 Posted by Amegashita (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

  Zoom is technically the fastest.

#29 Posted by The_Warlord (1758 posts) - - Show Bio
@tensor said:
" have to say all though flash is the fastest sa superman has the all time speed feat not even flash has beaten that feat yet "
I don't get it
#30 Posted by Mainline (1072 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amegashita: Which one?  Hunter is in a wheelchair and Eobard was run down by Barry and Wally in Rebirth.
#31 Edited by Amegashita (3560 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mainline:  The one who's in the wheelchair, you know, the guy who was crippled thanks to Geoff Johns selfishness.  But Zoom, Hunter, is technically the fastest, though he's not actually running fast. 
 
  EDIT:  I mean before he was crippled.  Lol.
#32 Posted by Mainline (1072 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amegashita said:
" @Mainline:  But Zoom, Hunter, is technically the fastest, though he's not actually running fast. "  
The "is" part is wrong, at best you can make an argument he was the fastest.  That's all I'm saying.
#33 Posted by Theodore (3445 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah Zoom lost his powers so its either Wally or Bart.

#34 Posted by Amegashita (3560 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mainline:  Well Zoom is still technically the fastest, Hunter, on the other hand, is not.  Zoom hasn't really lost any speed races and the title of Zoom is still synonymous with the fastest, as of right now, it's just that we need someone else to pick up the mantle for him to appear again, since Hunter is crippled and powerless now.
#35 Posted by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amegashita said:
" @Mainline:  The one who's in the wheelchair, you know, the guy who was crippled thanks to Geoff Johns selfishness.  But Zoom, Hunter, is technically the fastest, though he's not actually running fast. 
 
  EDIT:  I mean before he was crippled.  Lol. "
Even before then he was only ever faster in Blitz.  Every time he appeared afterwards The Flashes (besides Jay) were on par with Zoom II in terms of speed.  For story reasons, sure, he was declared faster in Blitz, but in practice that all went away afterwards, The Flashes have demonstrated faster speed both historically before and afterwards.  In other words, hanging Zoom II's speed on Blitz is like saying Doomsday is the strongest character ever... the characters and stories have evolved since then.
#36 Edited by Gambit1024 (9843 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not so big on the Flash's history, but what makes Wally faster than Barry? 
 
EDIT: Nevermind, mainline pretty much answered my question. 

#37 Posted by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amegashita said:
" @Mainline:  Zoom hasn't really lost any speed races. "
Sure he did, Rogue War, Flash v2 #225, Wally beats him in speed- otherwise he wouldn't have been able to touch him to save the day- and that's without the speed steal he used in Blitz.
 
@Amegashita said:
" @Mainline:  Well Zoom is still technically the fastest, Hunter, on the other hand, is not. "
I get that you're a Zoom fan but this is a silly argument... you can't be the fastest if you can't defend your title.  "Hey Zoom, wanna race?  What's that... you forfeit?  I win!"
#38 Posted by Amegashita (3560 posts) - - Show Bio
@Demas:  Yeah, which was weird to me since Zoom is so much faster than them, why would they be able to keep up.  Though, based on his personality, it can be said that moving faster than them was not really his intention.  >.>
#39 Posted by Amegashita (3560 posts) - - Show Bio
@Demas said:

get that you're a Zoom fan but this is a silly argument... you can't be the fastest if you can't defend your title.  "Hey Zoom, wanna race?  What's that... you forfeit?  I win!" " 
 

  Nice assumption, but that is wrong.  It's not nice to assume things about people you barely know.
#40 Edited by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amegashita said:

" @Demas said:

get that you're a Zoom fan but this is a silly argument... you can't be the fastest if you can't defend your title.  "Hey Zoom, wanna race?  What's that... you forfeit?  I win!" " 
 

  Nice assumption, but that is wrong.  It's not nice to assume things about people you barely know. "
I agree that it's a "nice assumption" because you're doing cartwheels to justify why Zoom II is the fastest- not only do you have to rely on a "technicality" in terms of what speed means, but you have to ignore his current state, ignore his most recent showings, ignore the highest showings of other characters, and hang everything on one story over half-a-decade ago in order to show favor to one character's mantel's ranking... along with gymnastics about "intentions", hyperbole with saying "synonymous with fastest" (despite the debate as to whether "fast" even applies showing otherwise), and finally taking what Johns did personally by calling it "selfish"... it's a pretty clear picture and a reasonable assumption.
#41 Posted by Amegashita (3560 posts) - - Show Bio
@Demas:   Once again, no.  Keep assuming, it's fine.  As for what you've said, it's all dependent on how you think about it.  With Zoom's personality, and what we saw that he could do, anybody can make the argument that he wasn't going his fastest because he wasn't focusing on being faster, just making what ever character he was going against a better hero. 

 and finally taking what Johns did personally by calling it "selfish"... it's a pretty clear picture and a reasonable assumption.

  Also, don't like me using the word selfish, then I'll change it into hypocritical, considering all the things he's done to other characters.  Yet, when it comes to his character, because he doesn't want his character being used incorrectly, he crippled him.
#42 Posted by tensor (5095 posts) - - Show Bio
@Love: all i am saying yes flash is the fastest yes, but in terms of speed silver age superman has the biggest speed feat ever so if we are going off feats sa superman is right up there or faster than flash in my opinion
#43 Posted by Calvin (3479 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, because I am not a canonic comic book character. 

#44 Posted by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio
You're the one painting the picture, I'm only using your own behavior.  You're trying to discredit it as "not nice" and "assumption" but assumption is only bad if it's groundless.  I've shown my grounds:
 
1. Relying on a technicality
2. Ignoring current state.
3. Gymnastics to argue the "mantle" is still fast even if the person isn't.
4. Ignoring the most recent showings.
5. Ignoring the highest showings of other characters.
6. Taking a 7 year old story at face value while creating unwritten excuses for every story since.
7. Hyperbole with respect to "synonymous" despite clear debate and contention on the issue
8. Feeling as if Johns has taken something from you or DC's domain (which wouldn't matter if you weren't attached to the character)
 
So my grounds are clear, looks more like reason to me than spurious accusation.  If you have to do that much work to argue someone is the fastest, you're either a fan or stubborn or both.  Regarding intentions, that's pretty much destroyed by when and how Wally caught him at the end of Rogue War and his stated motivations in Rogues' Revenge... it takes pretty colored memory of those stories to argue Zoom was choosing not to go his fastest in those stories.
#45 Posted by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio
@tensor said:
" but in terms of speed silver age superman has the biggest speed feat ever "
Pretty bold statement considering you've not actually said what it is.
#46 Posted by Amegashita (3560 posts) - - Show Bio
@Demas:  
  2.)  I wasn't ignoring his current condition, obviously he wouldn't be the fastest with that which is why I specifically said I was talking about pre-crippling and pre-losing powers. 
 
  3.)  The mantle is still fast, Hunter isn't but that doesn't make the mantle so. 
 
  4.)  Haven't ignored anything.   
 
  5.)  His highest showing has shown that he was faster than the Flash family, so yeah. 
 
  6.)  Uh-huh, you can keep believing that. 
 
  8.)  It doesn't matter to me, I'm not a Flash fan nor am I a fan of his enemies.  I'm a Billy Batson, and Marvel Family fan.  I just don't like a writer like Geoff Johns, or any writer for that matter, preventing a character from being used just because he doesn't like someone else using them the way they were, especially when he does a lot of degrading and disrespecting of characters himself.   
   
    If you have to do   that   much work to argue someone is the fastest, you're either a fan or stubborn or both. 
 
  Back at'cha =P
#47 Posted by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amegashita:  I like how I optimistically reasoned you as a fan, but instead you've gone out of your way to demand that I accept you as uninformed and stubborn instead. FACEPALM!
 
You're ignoring his condition by claiming the mantel is fastest which is pretty ridiculous, especially when it was disproven even has Hunter held the mantel.  You're ignoring Rogues' Revenge and Rogue War, both where he was motivated- said so- and was still outraced.  You're relying entirely on one time that Zoom was faster, which is like saying Doomsday is forever the strongest or that Superman will always beat Captain Marvel because he beat him that one time.  The Flash family and Zoom have since left that time behind and all present showings put them on par with each other.
#48 Posted by Amegashita (3560 posts) - - Show Bio
@Demas:  Yeah, you can go on believing that but it doesn't make it true.
 
  Once again, I haven't ignored anything.  I admit that I never read any of things you've mentioned and if you what you've said is true, then I will change what I said.  More importantly, why does it matter so much to you.  What I said shouldn't matter to you, and you shouldn't care.   
 
  And just to say this, the context of Zoom's powers should not allow anyone to actually keep up with him as easily as you make it sound, I will definitely have to look into those things since it really makes no sense.  
#49 Posted by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amegashita said:
" And just to say this, the context of Zoom's powers should not allow anyone to actually keep up with him as easily as you make it sound, I will definitely have to look into those things since it really makes no sense.   "
I appreciate you looking into it, you'll see he isn't what he was hyped to be.
 
Regarding the power description, that's never really a basis for extrapolation.  The Sentry by all rights should be completely invulnerable to physical harm based on his power description, but nonetheless he gets hurt by physical blows, crashing helicarriers, etc.  Even if it is the source and explanation of their powers, the practical application is what matters.  And, as applied, Zoom is only so fast.  It's the same for every character.  Even The Flash.  They can regulate their friction and kinetic energy, but that doesn't mean they can touch things and make them freeze or burst into flames because we don't extend their powers beyond showings and Zoom has only been shown to be so fast.
#50 Posted by Amegashita (3560 posts) - - Show Bio
@Demas:  It just seems really weird, I don't remember it ever being mentioned that there's a limit to how much he can slow time around him, which is why it's odd.  

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