Jon_Anon's Fantastic Four/Future Foundation Thread

#1 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

Looking around the Vine I find it really weird (see inexcusable) that the FF don't have a general thread for themselves, the X-Men have one, so does Spider-Man so why no FF love? Any way I intend to remedy that, so this is the thread to talk about all your Fantastic Four/Future Foundation related stuff. Do you worship at the alter of The Ben? Think the Human Torch is hot stuff? or maybe you just think Bentley 23 is the greatest character to ever grace a comic book? If the answer to any of these is this is yes then this is the thread for you.

Ok so it's an end of an era and Hickmans three year run has come to an end :( I'm pretty sad about this as Hickmans run was the best the FF have ever been, it was just that good, however I have read Fractions Fantastic Four and FF #1's and even though I was very sceptical (bordering on hate) at first after reading them, god help me, I actually kind of enjoyed them. So what does everybody else think?

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#2 Posted by jloneblackheart (5520 posts) - - Show Bio

Not a large amount of FF love on the site, but I am one of them. Hickman's run was great.

Unfortunately, I cannot support Matt Fraction and am not reading Fantastic Four or FF any longer. His stories are usually not that good and he destroys characters in the process of telling them.

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#3 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

@jloneblackheart: Yea there is a serious lack of FF love in these parts. Yea I was devastated when they said they where going to replace Hickman with Fraction as Immortal Iron Fist is about the only thing he's eve done that I didn't hate but my pull list cleared up and I decided to give them a look and they where actually pretty good, he stays totally faithful to what Hickman has done it doesn't even feel like theres been a shift.

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#4 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

I only picked up FF as an early tie-in to the main series, but after reading #3 I have to say I'm a believer. Allred's art is actually I nice change of pace from the other books I regularly collect.

Yancy Street with the Thing masks...too funny. Never read Hickman's run. Only Stan Lee and Jack Kirby Masterworks stuff.

#6 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

Anybody else checking out FF/F4?

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#7 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

There must be more than this that read FF?

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#8 Posted by Lvenger (20220 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: Fraction is on my blacklist of writers so I haven't gone anywhere near Fantastic Four or FF. A shame as I was really getting into Hickman's run 5 issues before he finished it :(

#9 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: Why is he on your black list?

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#10 Posted by Lvenger (20220 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: He's written loads of stories I don't like. Fear Itself, The Mighty Thor, Uncanny X-Men, his Iron Man run and his Defender series. Oh and I'm not a fan of some of his retconning in Fantastic Four like Ben being responsible for Doctor Doom. WTF? He can do street levellers like Iron Fist and Hawkeye and indie books well I guess but the other stuff, not so much IMO.

#11 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous: He's written loads of stories I don't like. Fear Itself, The Mighty Thor, Uncanny X-Men, his Iron Man run and his Defender series. Oh and I'm not a fan of some of his retconning in Fantastic Four like Ben being responsible for Doctor Doom. WTF? He can do street levellers like Iron Fist and Hawkeye and indie books well I guess but the other stuff, not so much IMO.

Yea I agree with all the books you have listed as bad (Fear Itself, Thor, X-Men, Iron Man) but I also agree with the good (Iron Fist, Hawkeye) and F4 and FF are both part of the good list, you shouldn't let his past failed books stop you from reading his present good ones, sure he's not great at writing Val and Ben creating Doom (kind of, he didn't really) isn't all that but FF and F4 are still great books that follow on from Hickman but with adding some cool new stuff like like Allred's art and Ahura joining the Future Foundation

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#12 Posted by Lvenger (20220 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous: He's written loads of stories I don't like. Fear Itself, The Mighty Thor, Uncanny X-Men, his Iron Man run and his Defender series. Oh and I'm not a fan of some of his retconning in Fantastic Four like Ben being responsible for Doctor Doom. WTF? He can do street levellers like Iron Fist and Hawkeye and indie books well I guess but the other stuff, not so much IMO.

Yea I agree with all the books you have listed as bad (Fear Itself, Thor, X-Men, Iron Man) but I also agree with the good (Iron Fist, Hawkeye) and F4 and FF are both part of the good list, you shouldn't let his past failed books stop you from reading his present good ones, sure he's not great at writing Val and Ben creating Doom (kind of, he didn't really) isn't all that but FF and F4 are still great books that follow on from Hickman but with adding some cool new stuff like like Allred's art and Ahura joining the Future Foundation

He's just not a writer I can rely consistently on. I hear FF is better than F4 but what I've seen from the series doesn't impress me enough to buy it. Most of my favourite Marvel books aren't in a place I like right now either that I feel I can buy them. Wait, you said you weren't reading any DC or Marvel books. What gives?

#13 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous: He's written loads of stories I don't like. Fear Itself, The Mighty Thor, Uncanny X-Men, his Iron Man run and his Defender series. Oh and I'm not a fan of some of his retconning in Fantastic Four like Ben being responsible for Doctor Doom. WTF? He can do street levellers like Iron Fist and Hawkeye and indie books well I guess but the other stuff, not so much IMO.

Yea I agree with all the books you have listed as bad (Fear Itself, Thor, X-Men, Iron Man) but I also agree with the good (Iron Fist, Hawkeye) and F4 and FF are both part of the good list, you shouldn't let his past failed books stop you from reading his present good ones, sure he's not great at writing Val and Ben creating Doom (kind of, he didn't really) isn't all that but FF and F4 are still great books that follow on from Hickman but with adding some cool new stuff like like Allred's art and Ahura joining the Future Foundation

He's just not a writer I can rely consistently on. I hear FF is better than F4 but what I've seen from the series doesn't impress me enough to buy it. Most of my favourite Marvel books aren't in a place I like right now either that I feel I can buy them. Wait, you said you weren't reading any DC or Marvel books. What gives?

I wasn't but I'v came out of my self imposed exile and only get The Flash and Green Arrow at DC and FF, F4 and Ult Spider-Man at Marvel

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#14 Posted by Lvenger (20220 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous: He's written loads of stories I don't like. Fear Itself, The Mighty Thor, Uncanny X-Men, his Iron Man run and his Defender series. Oh and I'm not a fan of some of his retconning in Fantastic Four like Ben being responsible for Doctor Doom. WTF? He can do street levellers like Iron Fist and Hawkeye and indie books well I guess but the other stuff, not so much IMO.

Yea I agree with all the books you have listed as bad (Fear Itself, Thor, X-Men, Iron Man) but I also agree with the good (Iron Fist, Hawkeye) and F4 and FF are both part of the good list, you shouldn't let his past failed books stop you from reading his present good ones, sure he's not great at writing Val and Ben creating Doom (kind of, he didn't really) isn't all that but FF and F4 are still great books that follow on from Hickman but with adding some cool new stuff like like Allred's art and Ahura joining the Future Foundation

He's just not a writer I can rely consistently on. I hear FF is better than F4 but what I've seen from the series doesn't impress me enough to buy it. Most of my favourite Marvel books aren't in a place I like right now either that I feel I can buy them. Wait, you said you weren't reading any DC or Marvel books. What gives?

I wasn't but I'v came out of my self imposed exile and only get The Flash and Green Arrow at DC and FF, F4 and Ult Spider-Man at Marvel

Well Flash and Green Arrow are supposed to be very good I hear. Still not sold on Ultimate Spider-Man though.

#15 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous: He's written loads of stories I don't like. Fear Itself, The Mighty Thor, Uncanny X-Men, his Iron Man run and his Defender series. Oh and I'm not a fan of some of his retconning in Fantastic Four like Ben being responsible for Doctor Doom. WTF? He can do street levellers like Iron Fist and Hawkeye and indie books well I guess but the other stuff, not so much IMO.

Yea I agree with all the books you have listed as bad (Fear Itself, Thor, X-Men, Iron Man) but I also agree with the good (Iron Fist, Hawkeye) and F4 and FF are both part of the good list, you shouldn't let his past failed books stop you from reading his present good ones, sure he's not great at writing Val and Ben creating Doom (kind of, he didn't really) isn't all that but FF and F4 are still great books that follow on from Hickman but with adding some cool new stuff like like Allred's art and Ahura joining the Future Foundation

He's just not a writer I can rely consistently on. I hear FF is better than F4 but what I've seen from the series doesn't impress me enough to buy it. Most of my favourite Marvel books aren't in a place I like right now either that I feel I can buy them. Wait, you said you weren't reading any DC or Marvel books. What gives?

I wasn't but I'v came out of my self imposed exile and only get The Flash and Green Arrow at DC and FF, F4 and Ult Spider-Man at Marvel

Well Flash and Green Arrow are supposed to be very good I hear. Still not sold on Ultimate Spider-Man though.

They are very good or at least Green Arrow is now *shivers thinking about Ann Nocenti* yea I do miss Ult Pete but Miles has grown on me an the book is much better now it's jumped forward in time and there all older also it's better than whats going on in Superior. But honestly you really should give FF and F4 a few issues just to see if you'll like it. What books are you getting right now?

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#16 Edited by Lvenger (20220 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous: He's written loads of stories I don't like. Fear Itself, The Mighty Thor, Uncanny X-Men, his Iron Man run and his Defender series. Oh and I'm not a fan of some of his retconning in Fantastic Four like Ben being responsible for Doctor Doom. WTF? He can do street levellers like Iron Fist and Hawkeye and indie books well I guess but the other stuff, not so much IMO.

Yea I agree with all the books you have listed as bad (Fear Itself, Thor, X-Men, Iron Man) but I also agree with the good (Iron Fist, Hawkeye) and F4 and FF are both part of the good list, you shouldn't let his past failed books stop you from reading his present good ones, sure he's not great at writing Val and Ben creating Doom (kind of, he didn't really) isn't all that but FF and F4 are still great books that follow on from Hickman but with adding some cool new stuff like like Allred's art and Ahura joining the Future Foundation

He's just not a writer I can rely consistently on. I hear FF is better than F4 but what I've seen from the series doesn't impress me enough to buy it. Most of my favourite Marvel books aren't in a place I like right now either that I feel I can buy them. Wait, you said you weren't reading any DC or Marvel books. What gives?

I wasn't but I'v came out of my self imposed exile and only get The Flash and Green Arrow at DC and FF, F4 and Ult Spider-Man at Marvel

Well Flash and Green Arrow are supposed to be very good I hear. Still not sold on Ultimate Spider-Man though.

They are very good or at least Green Arrow is now *shivers thinking about Ann Nocenti* yea I do miss Ult Pete but Miles has grown on me an the book is much better now it's jumped forward in time and there all older also it's better than whats going on in Superior. But honestly you really should give FF and F4 a few issues just to see if you'll like it. What books are you getting right now?

I feel sorry for poor Catwoman being stuck under Nocenti's pen. I suppose Miles is a grower but I was never fond of the initial concept. Perhaps I might give those two a try in the future. As to what I'm reading:

  • Superman Unchained (Surprised? :P)
  • Thor: God of Thunder
  • Wonder Woman
  • Indestructible Hulk
  • Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
  • Batman and Robin #21-22
  • Invincible #105 (To see what the fuss is about)
#17 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous: He's written loads of stories I don't like. Fear Itself, The Mighty Thor, Uncanny X-Men, his Iron Man run and his Defender series. Oh and I'm not a fan of some of his retconning in Fantastic Four like Ben being responsible for Doctor Doom. WTF? He can do street levellers like Iron Fist and Hawkeye and indie books well I guess but the other stuff, not so much IMO.

Yea I agree with all the books you have listed as bad (Fear Itself, Thor, X-Men, Iron Man) but I also agree with the good (Iron Fist, Hawkeye) and F4 and FF are both part of the good list, you shouldn't let his past failed books stop you from reading his present good ones, sure he's not great at writing Val and Ben creating Doom (kind of, he didn't really) isn't all that but FF and F4 are still great books that follow on from Hickman but with adding some cool new stuff like like Allred's art and Ahura joining the Future Foundation

He's just not a writer I can rely consistently on. I hear FF is better than F4 but what I've seen from the series doesn't impress me enough to buy it. Most of my favourite Marvel books aren't in a place I like right now either that I feel I can buy them. Wait, you said you weren't reading any DC or Marvel books. What gives?

I wasn't but I'v came out of my self imposed exile and only get The Flash and Green Arrow at DC and FF, F4 and Ult Spider-Man at Marvel

Well Flash and Green Arrow are supposed to be very good I hear. Still not sold on Ultimate Spider-Man though.

They are very good or at least Green Arrow is now *shivers thinking about Ann Nocenti* yea I do miss Ult Pete but Miles has grown on me an the book is much better now it's jumped forward in time and there all older also it's better than whats going on in Superior. But honestly you really should give FF and F4 a few issues just to see if you'll like it. What books are you getting right now?

I feel sorry for poor Catwoman being stuck under Nocenti's pen. I suppose Miles is a grower but I was never fond of the initial concept. Perhaps I might give those two a try in the future. As to what I'm reading:

  • Superman Unchained (Surprised? :P)
  • Thor: God of Thunder
  • Wonder Woman
  • Indestructible Hulk
  • Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
  • Batman and Robin #21-22
  • Invincible #105 (To see what the fuss is about)

Give me a run down on the books, what do you like about each?

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#18 Posted by Lvenger (20220 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: As you wish:

  • Unchained is top notch in my eyes because unlike with Batman, Snyder actually looks under the layers of Superman and his supporting cast. He actually understands what Superman is about as a character and delivers on an intriguing plot that challenges and utilises what makes these characters great to their fullest.
  • Aaron is actually doing a good job on Thor unlike his other work. There's a real fantasy/sci fi vibe to the title and Aaron's use of 3 Thors showcases Thor's personality over the years. And there's plenty of levity to compensate the serious, action packed plot.
  • Wonder Woman is my favourite New 52 title (much to the chagrin of its haters) because Azzarello gives a build up story that prides itself on well written characterisation, excellent use of the supporting cast, a balanced viewpoint of the characters involved and very strong storylines.
  • Indestructible Hulk is simply a bombastic, fun filled enjoyment to read. Waid captures the essence of Banner's character and gives him meaningful tweaks that change the status quo brilliantly. Everything that comics are about is encapsulated by Waid in this title.
  • TMNT is awesome because it mixes classic characters from past comics and cartoons alike along with new characters with fresh spins, twists and organically executed interpretations that work amazingly in this universe.
  • I did use to read Batman and Robin so I can tell you what I liked about that. The relationship between Batman and Damian was captured in a wonderful way that drove the heart of this book. And with this arc, we get to see Bruce lash out at his family over the death of his son.

Is that enough for you?

#19 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous: As you wish:

  • Unchained is top notch in my eyes because unlike with Batman, Snyder actually looks under the layers of Superman and his supporting cast. He actually understands what Superman is about as a character and delivers on an intriguing plot that challenges and utilises what makes these characters great to their fullest.
  • Aaron is actually doing a good job on Thor unlike his other work. There's a real fantasy/sci fi vibe to the title and Aaron's use of 3 Thors showcases Thor's personality over the years. And there's plenty of levity to compensate the serious, action packed plot.
  • Wonder Woman is my favourite New 52 title (much to the chagrin of its haters) because Azzarello gives a build up story that prides itself on well written characterisation, excellent use of the supporting cast, a balanced viewpoint of the characters involved and very strong storylines.
  • Indestructible Hulk is simply a bombastic, fun filled enjoyment to read. Waid captures the essence of Banner's character and gives him meaningful tweaks that change the status quo brilliantly. Everything that comics are about is encapsulated by Waid in this title.
  • TMNT is awesome because it mixes classic characters from past comics and cartoons alike along with new characters with fresh spins, twists and organically executed interpretations that work amazingly in this universe.
  • I did use to read Batman and Robin so I can tell you what I liked about that. The relationship between Batman and Damian was captured in a wonderful way that drove the heart of this book. And with this arc, we get to see Bruce lash out at his family over the death of his son.

Is that enough for you?

Hm it'll do lol :p the reason I ask is because I'v read some issues of all of these series and I just wanted your take (as well nefariously manipulating you in to continuously bumping this thread in the hope some other pepole will comment >=D)

  • I did read the first issue of Unchained (stupid name) and all though I did like it, it never really wowed me like I was expecting it to.
  • I hate Thor, I think the whole character is just, I don't know, bleh I suppose but I like Aaron's indy work and the first few issues I read of Thor seemed to be cool
  • Yea I love most of Azz's stuff and his WW is great, it's more modern myth and less cheesy superhero and the pepole that are heating on it are just cutting there nose off to spite there face.
  • Although my favourite version of the Hulk is the anger issues/Jekly & Hyde man on the run/Frankinstine's monster deal Waid's take is pretty enjoyable in the first few issues
  • TMNT obviously great, like you said mixing different characters from different versions and mixing it all up in to one big ball of awesome whilest also keeping the fun/serious ration well balanced.
  • I actually never got far in to this series after the new 52 started, I love Damian and it felt like he lost something in the reboot, like he reverted or something
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#20 Posted by Lvenger (20220 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous:

  • Fair enough. I heard it wasn't for everyone.
  • It's a really well written series and for fans of Thor, it's gladdening to see him get a nice treatment by a writer after what Aaron did to him.
  • Exactly my thoughts too. Wonder Woman fans are a bit picky though lol.
  • It's really enjoyable though some don't like Hulk's characterization
  • I suppose so but I did enjoy Batman and Robin and he got a good send off by Morrison IMO.
#21 Edited by TDK_1997 (14899 posts) - - Show Bio

For me now the FF and F4 are just dead.Fraction doesn't make the books an interestin read and the characters just don't show their true selfs for me.I dumped FF and now I am reading only F4 but I don't quite like what is exactly happening with the characters.I miss Hickman.

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@lvenger: how do you think Morrison will end INC?

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#23 Posted by Lvenger (20220 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: I saw your thread saying his final issue might pi$$ some people off. Honestly, I can't say. Maybe Batman will kill Talia, maybe he'll go through some quasi-mystical experience where he meets Morrison or maybe he'll have Batman dance the Bat Tsui to defeat Leviathan. Very few can truly understand the mind of Grant Morrison :P

#24 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997: Sure it's no Hickman, Hickman's run is one of the best FF has ever been IMO and it kinda pisses me off that the stories he's doing with the Avengers should be stories he's doing with the FF but Fraction's still good. What is it exactly you don't like?

@lvenger said:

@jonny_anonymous: I saw your thread saying his final issue might pi$$ some people off. Honestly, I can't say. Maybe Batman will kill Talia, maybe he'll go through some quasi-mystical experience where he meets Morrison or maybe he'll have Batman dance the Bat Tsui to defeat Leviathan. Very few can truly understand the mind of Grant Morrison :P

This is true, he said what he has planed will destroy the concept of Batman but that could mean all most anything coming from Morrison. Imagine a book co-written by Morrison and Hickman :-o

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#25 Posted by Billy Batson (58062 posts) - - Show Bio

I bought Waid's entire run a few weeks ago. Any good?

@jloneblackheart:

You didn't say anything when I mentioned that you to <_<

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#26 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

@billy_batson: Waid's run is great, it has cool stuff in it like living maths equations

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#27 Edited by Billy Batson (58062 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous:

Yeah, I heard it's good but that his take on Doom was a bit iffy/silly.

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#28 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Hickman killed the Fantastic Four.

Pretentious, untalented prick.

#29 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

Hickman killed the Fantastic Four.

Pretentious, untalented prick.

Have you read any of the current run? I know your not a fan of Fraction ether

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#30 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: The current Fraction run? No.

I read a bit of Hickman's, but I kept wanting to kill myself every time Valeria showed up.

#31 Posted by TDK_1997 (14899 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: Well Fraction can't write team books.The book started pretty well and I was interested in how Reed was dying or something like that I forgot already.And then they were just travelling through time and stopping things and the Thing made Doom who he is and stuff like that just piss me off.I want Fraction to make some big and interesting story that will make Sue,Ben and Johnny interesting again.And of course Franklin and Valeria are just too annoying right now and I can't understand why Fraction is writing them like that.

#32 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997: Well the whole family is dying and each stop-off they made through time/space is all connected because of Reed trying to search for what's wrong with them also Ben didn't create Doom he just blames him self for it . Yea Franklin and Val aren't as well written as when Hickman was on but there not bad. All in all I think FF is a better book than F4 but there both good.

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#33 Posted by TDK_1997 (14899 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: I don't like much the idea of the whole family dying and them searching for what's killing them.I wanted Fraction to start with a bang and not this slow development and characterization.He often does that and I hate it.And Franklin here is the most annoying kid alive probably.I just can't stand him.

#34 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@jonny_anonymous: I don't like much the idea of the whole family dying and them searching for what's killing them.I wanted Fraction to start with a bang and not this slow development and characterization.He often does that and I hate it.And Franklin here is the most annoying kid alive probably.I just can't stand him.

I don't see how he's that annoying, I mean, he doesn't even do much. What would you like to see happen in F4 then? Have you tried FF?

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#35 Edited by TDK_1997 (14899 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@jonny_anonymous: I don't like much the idea of the whole family dying and them searching for what's killing them.I wanted Fraction to start with a bang and not this slow development and characterization.He often does that and I hate it.And Franklin here is the most annoying kid alive probably.I just can't stand him.

I don't see how he's that annoying, I mean, he doesn't even do much. What would you like to see happen in F4 then? Have you tried FF?

I want Fraction to do an arc in which he shows us why we should give a damn about his run and why this is one of the best Marvel teams ever.And yeah I tried FF but I don't remember why I dropped it,I am reconsidering things and I may try it again.

#36 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@tdk_1997 said:

@jonny_anonymous: I don't like much the idea of the whole family dying and them searching for what's killing them.I wanted Fraction to start with a bang and not this slow development and characterization.He often does that and I hate it.And Franklin here is the most annoying kid alive probably.I just can't stand him.

I don't see how he's that annoying, I mean, he doesn't even do much. What would you like to see happen in F4 then? Have you tried FF?

I want Fraction to do an arc in which he shows us why we should give a damn about his run and why this is one of the best Marvel teams ever.And yeah I tried FF but I don't remember why I dropped it,I am reconsidering things and I may try it again.

You should, at least give it a few issues more

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#37 Posted by jloneblackheart (5520 posts) - - Show Bio
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#39 Posted by jloneblackheart (5520 posts) - - Show Bio

@billy_batson: I actually only caught the end of it. It was OK.

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#40 Edited by Billy Batson (58062 posts) - - Show Bio

@billy_batson: I actually only caught the end of it. It was OK.

And I thought you were a big FF fan.

At least I got for half the price.

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#41 Posted by jloneblackheart (5520 posts) - - Show Bio

@billy_batson: Generally, I am. But I do fall in and out. There were a number of years I wasn't reading any comics at all, so I've missed some stuff.

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#42 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

So whats every bodies thoughts on James Robinson taking over?

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#43 Posted by MaccyD (4163 posts) - - Show Bio

What are the thoughts on F4 #1?

Personally I'm liking the direction better already than Fraction's. I've heard that Robinson is a great world builder, so he sounds like he'd be suitable for F4. That's what the original run pretty much did, built the Marvel Universe from scratch. I'm not fond of the "fall" idea so far, especially since it's still so close to Torch's "death" but it's still too early to judge and hopefully Robinson will change my mind.

#44 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33605 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd: I'm liking it but I hope they don't get rid of the Future Foundation now that it hasn't got a book since the concept is clearly dear to hickman since he introduced it in both his FF run and his Ultimates run.

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