Why is Emma frost made like a Prostitute

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#1 Posted by RogueJuggernaut (92 posts) - - Show Bio

Why does she dress up like a Prostitute.

#2 Posted by arnoldoaad (1007 posts) - - Show Bio

because she was a prostitute

mind you, a high end prostitute but she is still a whore

as to why she still dresses as one

well

i dont know, force of habit?

why does Storm dresses in a costume that is basically a one piece?

why does starfire uses a top that is physically impossible to wear?

#3 Posted by God_Spawn (38243 posts) - - Show Bio

90% of all women in comics dress like prostitutes. And why do people keep calling her a whore? She has been with 5 guys and is almost in her thirties if not there yet and cheated on Scott once while under the influence of the Phoenix Force. I've seen dozens of kids in high school go through that many relationships in a year, in nearing mid-adulthood is not that bad.

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#4 Posted by Mercy_ (92997 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn

90% of all women in comics dress like prostitutes. And why do people keep calling her a whore? She has been with 5 guys and is almost in her thirties if not there yet and cheated on Scott once while under the influence of the Phoenix Force. I've seen dozens of kids in high school go through that many relationships in a year, in nearing mid-adulthood is not that bad.

Thaaaaaank you.
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#5 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13637 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_ said:

@god_spawn

90% of all women in comics dress like prostitutes. And why do people keep calling her a whore? She has been with 5 guys and is almost in her thirties if not there yet and cheated on Scott once while under the influence of the Phoenix Force. I've seen dozens of kids in high school go through that many relationships in a year, in nearing mid-adulthood is not that bad.

Thaaaaaank you.

this, and if i recall correctly, she dresses this way to manipulate people's perception of her.

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#6 Posted by Mercy_ (92997 posts) - - Show Bio

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#7 Posted by Veitha (3362 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

90% of all women in comics dress like prostitutes. And why do people keep calling her a whore? She has been with 5 guys and is almost in her thirties if not there yet and cheated on Scott once while under the influence of the Phoenix Force. I've seen dozens of kids in high school go through that many relationships in a year, in nearing mid-adulthood is not that bad.

yees.

#8 Posted by Vance Astro (91365 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:

90% of all women in comics dress like prostitutes. 

Disagreed. A superhero costume is very dissimilar from what a prostitute would wear, Emma's "White Queen" outfit on the other hand is not. 
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#9 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

@Mercy_ said:

@god_spawn

90% of all women in comics dress like prostitutes. And why do people keep calling her a whore? She has been with 5 guys and is almost in her thirties if not there yet and cheated on Scott once while under the influence of the Phoenix Force. I've seen dozens of kids in high school go through that many relationships in a year, in nearing mid-adulthood is not that bad.

Thaaaaaank you.

this, and if i recall correctly, she dresses this way to manipulate people's perception of her.

@Mercy_ said:

And so ends the thread, resoundingly.

@Vance Astro said:

@god_spawn said:

90% of all women in comics dress like prostitutes.

Disagreed. A superhero costume is very dissimilar from what a prostitute would wear, Emma's "White Queen" outfit on the other hand is not.

So then Selene, Elektra, Psylocke, etc -- a corset with thigh high boots and bikini bottoms are the uniform of prostitutes?

Also, who is anyone to say what a prostitute wears? Prostitutes range from your Trophy Wife who married for money (to me -- that's legalised prostitution) all the way to that 50 plus year old who dresses in a house-coat and slippers, taking in clients into her home throughout the day/night.

Most of the female characters are dressed provocatively, and to add to that, more and more of the male characters are being portrayed as such. How about we switch the word "womanizer" to "gigolo'? Gambit -- Nightwing and so on...

#10 Posted by Vance Astro (91365 posts) - - Show Bio
@lykopis said:

So then Selene, Elektra, Psylocke, etc -- a corset with thigh high boots and bikini bottoms are the uniform of prostitutes?

Elektra and Psylocke are Ninjas, they dress for stealth. Their costumes are understandable.  Selene & Emma on the other hand are dressed like hookers. Corset's enhance the bust and slim the waist, perfect for attracting attention to the upper half.
 
@lykopis said:

Also, who is anyone to say what a prostitute wears? Prostitutes range from your Trophy Wife who married for money (to me -- that's legalised prostitution) all the way to that 50 plus year old who dresses in a house-coat and slippers, taking in clients into her home throughout the day/night.

Someone who has encountered hookers in real life (raises hand). I'm not talking about trophy wives or some old whore, i'm talking about street walkers, women who work in brothels and strippers who prostitute on the side.
 
@lykopis said:

Most of the female characters are dressed provocatively

No, they aren't, and even the ones that are, aren't dressed like prostitutes. 
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#11 Posted by Aiden Cross (15575 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@lykopis said:

So then Selene, Elektra, Psylocke, etc -- a corset with thigh high boots and bikini bottoms are the uniform of prostitutes?

Elektra and Psylocke are Ninjas, they dress for stealth. Their costumes are understandable.

Because Ninjas are always half naked and dressed in bright red outfits for stealth with sashes and flowing fabric that helps to obstruct their movement, right?

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Wow, so many mods in one thread! lol

#13 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@lykopis said:

So then Selene, Elektra, Psylocke, etc -- a corset with thigh high boots and bikini bottoms are the uniform of prostitutes?

Elektra and Psylocke are Ninjas, they dress for stealth. Their costumes are understandable. Selene & Emma on the other hand are dressed like hookers. Corset's enhance the bust and slim the waist, perfect for attracting attention to the upper half.

@lykopis said:

Also, who is anyone to say what a prostitute wears? Prostitutes range from your Trophy Wife who married for money (to me -- that's legalised prostitution) all the way to that 50 plus year old who dresses in a house-coat and slippers, taking in clients into her home throughout the day/night.

Someone who has encountered hookers in real life (raises hand). I'm not talking about trophy wives or some old whore, i'm talking about street walkers, women who work in brothels and strippers who prostitute on the side.

@lykopis said:

Most of the female characters are dressed provocatively

No, they aren't, and even the ones that are, aren't dressed like prostitutes.

Come on. Seriously? In that case --- why aren't the male ninjas dressed similarly with thongs, ties around thigh, high heels, etc....

You've encountered prostitutes? That makes you an authority? Everyone has the stereo-type in mind. I work with prostitutes. Every week. What you might see cruising along the avenue is surface, what I see is reality. If anything, prostitutes dress in vibrant, catch-your eye clothing while working the streets -- its all about being seen first.

Yet again, this is all opinion. But when I said trophy wife to "old whore", I included everything in between -- which encompasses street walkers and escorts, etc, etc.

Yes. Most female characters are dressed provocatively. You want to deny it, that's on you -- but it's there for all to see.

#14 Edited by Vance Astro (91365 posts) - - Show Bio
@Aiden Cross said:

Because Ninjas are always half naked and dressed in bright red outfits for stealth with sashes and flowing fabric that helps to obstruct their movement, right?

The Hand wears bright red outfits and they are supposed to be "stealthy", my point wasn't about the color though it was about the skin tight fabric. Psylocke and Elektra's costumes are made for what they do. The sash on Elektra's costume or something similar can be found on that of other ninja style costumes in other media. I'm not saying these are traditional ninja costumes. I'm saying that I understand why they are wearing what they are wearing. 
 
@lykopis said:

Come on. Seriously? In that case --- why aren't the male ninjas dressed similarly with thongs, ties around thigh, high heels, etc....

Im not saying that they are simply wearing what Ninja's wear. Daredevil is a ninja but you don't see him wearing a traditional ninja costume like the rest of his clan, his costume is more of the superhero variety. Elektra is an individual, she chose that costume. Most female members of Ninja clans in the Marvel Universe wear traditional ninja costumes. Ones that are part of superhero teams like Psylocke wear something skin tight and lightweight. Neither is wearing a thong or heels though. 
 
@lykopis said:

You've encountered prostitutes? That makes you an authority? Everyone has the stereo-type in mind. I work with prostitutes. Every week. What you might see cruising along the avenue is surface, what I see is reality. If anything, prostitutes dress in vibrant, catch-your eye clothing while working the streets -- its all about being seen first.

Im not the authority but I know what a prostitute looks like. Emma doesn't wear the White Queen outfit anymore, that was a costume of an older time but it is a classic dominatrix outfit from head to toe. 
 
@lykopis said:

Yes. Most female characters are dressed provocatively. You want to deny it, that's on you -- but it's there for all to see.

I'm denying it because I can prove it. 
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#15 Posted by Aiden Cross (15575 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@Aiden Cross said:

Because Ninjas are always half naked and dressed in bright red outfits for stealth with sashes and flowing fabric that helps to obstruct their movement, right?

The Hand wears bright red outfits and they are supposed to be "stealthy", my point wasn't about the color though it was about the skin tight fabric. Psylocke and Elektra's costumes are made for what they do. The sash on Elektra's costume or something similar can be found on that of other ninja style costumes in other media. I'm not saying these are traditional ninja costumes. I'm saying that I understand why they are wearing what they are wearing.

And you do not see the flaw in this?.. I find it odd you refer to the ninja's in comics and other media to support your own argument, yet when you talk about prostitutes you compare them to real life? Ninja's wear normal civilian clothing to help them blend in with society to reach their targets, not dressed in black like you see in various media. Even if we discuss the costumes in comics and media, do you see the male ninja's jumping half naked on roof tops?

#16 Edited by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro:

Semi-Wedgie (incredibly important we see her from behnd)
Wah? Heels? O_O How Un-Ninja-like she was back then --- tsk tsk...
Thank goodness for the flap of cloth --
Even I want to pull that wedgie out of her butt -- poor thing...
Another special wedgie -- but look! Separate top! Very stealthy, Psylocke...
Most recent image of Elektra in Thunderbolts -- I am going to say that's a thong there.

The heel thing I kind of give you (despite the old Assassin cover) but most shots of both ladies are with them in tippy toes or feet arched. It's the same effect.

Thongs. Clearly utilized by both fantastic ladies.

And please, by all means -- prove to me that most women depicted in comics are not done so provocatively? It would be great because I really want to be wrong.

(Edited to add: Elektra is a character. She did not chose her outfit, the artist depicting her did. Just sayin'.)

#17 Posted by doddy (251 posts) - - Show Bio

Gillen talked about Emma and her look.

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/10/13/female-characters-superhero-comics/

and this:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/02/21/she-has-no-head-no-its-not-equal/

"...You’ll note I’ve also left off characters like Emma Frost/The White Queen, who you can actually make an argument for dressing provocatively. And that’s where we get to the why. Why do these costumes make sense? When a male character has a crazy revealing costume it’s for a reason. Namor sometimes wears a Speedo. But that makes a certain amount of sense both from a job perspective (he lives in the ocean and is nearly invulnerable) and from a character perspective (he’s a known lothario and braggart who seems like he’d enjoy showing off his body). Similarly, Emma Frost’s insanely sexy costumes (she frequently wears what is essentially lingerie to fight crime) make a certain amount of character sense (she’s an extrovert that constantly trades on her looks and makes no attempt to hide this) and now that she can also turn into a diamond, she can be nearly indestructible when she desires and she likes to show off her pretty diamond skin, so the more skin available, the better as far as she’s concerned. And so like Namor, Emma makes some sense..."

#18 Edited by Vance Astro (91365 posts) - - Show Bio
@Aiden Cross said:

And you do not see the flaw in this?.. I find it odd you refer to the ninja's in comics and other media to support your own argument, yet when you talk about prostitutes you compare them to real life? Ninja's wear normal civilian clothing to help them blend in with society to reach their targets, not dressed in black like you see in various media. Even if we discuss the costumes in comics and media, do you see the male ninja's jumping half naked on roof tops?

No, because there isn't any. Ninjas in comics and Prostitutes in comics are alot different. Ninjas are a sensationalized character type in comics.I've never seen a Ninja that looks anything like Strider Hiryu,Daredevil,Lady Bullseye,Mai Shiranui.Naruto etc. in real life, Ninjas don't wear bright colors or superhero style costumes as it pertains to real life, I understand those costumes but that's not how a real ninja would operate. On the other hand prostitutes inside AND OUT of comics wear similar outfits to what Emma Frost is wearing. I don't see male Ninja's jumping around half naked but male and female are two different genders, they wear different things. 
 

@lykopis

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The heel thing I kind of give you (despite the old Assassin cover) but most shots of both ladies are with them in tippy toes or feet arched. It's the same effect.

Thongs. Clearly utilized by both fantastic ladies.

And please, by all means -- prove to me that most women depicted in comics are not done so provocatively? It would be great because I really want to be wrong.

Psylocke and Elektra aren't wearing thongs, their costumes are all one piece. Most of the shots of them don't depict them on their tip toes in fact, not even half do. The one image that Benes did where Psylocke is wearing a thong has been altered that's why she's not wearing her sash, that's not how Benes drew it. 
 
As far as women being provocative in comics, it's not up to their costumes. You'd have to add things like poses,facial expressions etc. to pull that off. There are costumes that aren't provocative that a character can look sexy in just by how they stand. Also when you say "characters" that also includes character like Mary Jane,Gwen Stacy,Aunt May,Betty Brant etc. who aren't superheroes and don't wear costumes.
 
Even if we just stick to super-heroines and villains, here's a list of those that aren't dressed provocatively (I would post images of them but there's too many so i'll link you to their pages so you can see for yourself).... 
  
The Wasp,Martyr,Mantis,Barbara Gordon,Cassandra Cain,Black Lotus,Silver Sable,Rescue,Madame Masque,Clea,Happy Kitty,American Dream,Speedy,Thor Girl, Ultra Girl,Dazzler,Daystar,Firestar,Hellcat,Andromeda,Sasha Bordeau x,Cassie Sandmark,Aurora,Hawkeye,Stature,Marrow,Batwoman,Big Barda,Hawkgirl,Granny Goodness,Bella Donna,Jubilee,Firebird,Meggan,Captain U.K.,Lionheart,Echo,Songbird,Deathcry,Grace Choi,Jewel,Clea,Copycat,Spider-Girl,Crystal,Medusa,Lady Gorgon,Lady Bullseye,Lady Deathstrike,Darkstar,Elsa Bloodstone,Boom-Boom,Monica Rambeau,Diamond Lil,Dove,Free Spirit,Freefall,Victoria Hand,Invisible Woman,Gypsy,Ice,Jayna of the Wonder Twins,Silhouette,Judomaster,Katana,Moonstone, I could keep going but I think you get it.

God_Spawn said that 90% of women in comics dress like prostitutes and you said that MOST female characters dress provocatively. I would assume that is an exaggeration as you would be disregarding characters that are simply regular people like Amanda Waller,Alicia Masters,etc. and there alot more of them then there is superheroines, that also excludes characters that belong to teams that have distinct uniforms that are the same all around between males in females like the Darkstars,S.H.I.E.L.D.,The Green Lantern Corps,The Nova Corps,etc. Then there's the tons of alien characters (Skrulls,Kree,Brood etc.) that are women but aren't wearing provocative clothing. In your case, you said "most FEMALE characters" which also disregards that there are many female characters that are children or teenagers and Marvel wouldn't put them in costumes like that. 
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#19 Posted by Vance Astro (91365 posts) - - Show Bio
@doddy said:

Gillen talked about Emma and her look.

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/10/13/female-characters-superhero-comics/

and this:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/02/21/she-has-no-head-no-its-not-equal/

"...You’ll note I’ve also left off characters like Emma Frost/The White Queen, who you can actually make an argument for dressing provocatively. And that’s where we get to the why. Why do these costumes make sense? When a male character has a crazy revealing costume it’s for a reason. Namor sometimes wears a Speedo. But that makes a certain amount of sense both from a job perspective (he lives in the ocean and is nearly invulnerable) and from a character perspective (he’s a known lothario and braggart who seems like he’d enjoy showing off his body). Similarly, Emma Frost’s insanely sexy costumes (she frequently wears what is essentially lingerie to fight crime) make a certain amount of character sense (she’s an extrovert that constantly trades on her looks and makes no attempt to hide this) and now that she can also turn into a diamond, she can be nearly indestructible when she desires and she likes to show off her pretty diamond skin, so the more skin available, the better as far as she’s concerned. And so like Namor, Emma makes some sense..."

I agree with you about costumes making sense to what type of character they are and what they do. Emma's outfit has changed since she was in the Hellfire Club, the original White Queen outfit was very "hookerish" and she didn't have the diamond mutation yet.
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#20 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18355 posts) - - Show Bio

ok, why are people going crazy about this?

#21 Posted by kiss_lamia (1247 posts) - - Show Bio

Even if she is dressed like a hooker she can still take out alot enemies and has a great verbal bitchy personality which gets that across loool

#22 Edited by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@Aiden Cross said:

And you do not see the flaw in this?.. I find it odd you refer to the ninja's in comics and other media to support your own argument, yet when you talk about prostitutes you compare them to real life? Ninja's wear normal civilian clothing to help them blend in with society to reach their targets, not dressed in black like you see in various media. Even if we discuss the costumes in comics and media, do you see the male ninja's jumping half naked on roof tops?

No, because there isn't any. Ninjas in comics and Prostitutes in comics are alot different. Ninjas are a sensationalized character type in comics.I've never seen a Ninja that looks anything like Strider Hiryu,Daredevil,Lady Bullseye,Mai Shiranui.Naruto etc. in real life, Ninjas don't wear bright colors or superhero style costumes as it pertains to real life, I understand those costumes but that's not how a real ninja would operate. On the other hand prostitutes inside AND OUT of comics wear similar outfits to what Emma Frost is wearing. I don't see male Ninja's jumping around half naked but male and female are two different genders, they wear different things.

@lykopis

said:

The heel thing I kind of give you (despite the old Assassin cover) but most shots of both ladies are with them in tippy toes or feet arched. It's the same effect.

Thongs. Clearly utilized by both fantastic ladies.

And please, by all means -- prove to me that most women depicted in comics are not done so provocatively? It would be great because I really want to be wrong.

Psylocke and Elektra aren't wearing thongs, their costumes are all one piece. Most of the shots of them don't depict them on their tip toes in fact, not even half do. The one image that Benes did where Psylocke is wearing a thong has been altered that's why she's not wearing her sash, that's not how Benes drew it.

As far as women being provocative in comics, it's not up to their costumes. You'd have to add things like poses,facial expressions etc. to pull that off. There are costumes that aren't provocative that a character can look sexy in just by how they stand. Also when you say "characters" that also includes character like Mary Jane,Gwen Stacy,Aunt May,Betty Brant etc. who aren't superheroes and don't wear costumes.

Even if we just stick to super-heroines and villains, here's a list of those that aren't dressed provocatively (I would post images of them but there's too many so i'll link you to their pages so you can see for yourself)....

The Wasp,Martyr,Mantis,Barbara Gordon,Cassandra Cain,Black Lotus,Silver Sable,Rescue,Madame Masque,Clea,Happy Kitty,American Dream,Speedy,Thor Girl, Ultra Girl,Dazzler,Daystar,Firestar,Hellcat,Andromeda,Sasha Bordeau x,Cassie Sandmark,Aurora,Hawkeye,Stature,Marrow,Batwoman,Big Barda,Hawkgirl,Granny Goodness,Bella Donna,Jubilee,Firebird,Meggan,Captain U.K.,Lionheart,Echo,Songbird,Deathcry,Grace Choi,Jewel,Clea,Copycat,Spider-Girl,Crystal,Medusa,Lady Gorgon,Lady Bullseye,Lady Deathstrike,Darkstar,Elsa Bloodstone,Boom-Boom,Monica Rambeau,Diamond Lil,Dove,Free Spirit,Freefall,Victoria Hand,Invisible Woman,Gypsy,Ice,Jayna of the Wonder Twins,Silhouette,Judomaster,Katana,Moonstone, I could keep going but I think you get it.God_Spawn said that 90% of women in comics dress like prostitutes and you said that MOST female characters dress provocatively. I would assume that is an exaggeration as you would be disregarding characters that are simply regular people like Amanda Waller,Alicia Masters,etc. and there alot more of them then there is superheroines, that also excludes characters that belong to teams that have distinct uniforms that are the same all around between males in females like the Darkstars,S.H.I.E.L.D.,The Green Lantern Corps,The Nova Corps,etc. Then there's the tons of alien characters (Skrulls,Kree,Brood etc.) that are women but aren't wearing provocative clothing. In your case, you said "most FEMALE characters" which also disregards that there are many female characters that are children or teenagers and Marvel wouldn't put them in costumes like that.

Quoting because I want all your links to be easily accessible.

Thong. There are thongs. You even disregarded Elektra most recent depiction in Thunderbolts. So -- address all please. And the argument about genders dressing differently means what precisely? That its perfectly acceptable for a woman to wear thigh highs and ties around thighs because its a female thing? Wow --- then I must be doing it wrong. When I go to work out, I wear jogging pants and t-shirt --- guess I should be showing up with Olivia Newton John style leggings and bodysuit,

As for the bolded part, you are reaching so hard I can hear the ligaments in your shoulder snapping.

I won't give you the meaning of provocative. You know it. The majority of the "female" characters you provided have been presented provocatively. Your example of a corset being a sign of potential prostituting and your example of a one piece not being so is out-there.

Oh -- and by the way? X-23 was a prostitute. You forgot about her. And she was a teenager.

(edited to say -- your selection of neck to toes outfitting does not make them any less provocative. Just seeing "Aurora" and "Moonstone" and "Dazzler" made me giggle a little.)

#23 Posted by Darksider555 (407 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

90% of all women in comics dress like prostitutes. And why do people keep calling her a whore? She has been with 5 guys and is almost in her thirties if not there yet and cheated on Scott once while under the influence of the Phoenix Force. I've seen dozens of kids in high school go through that many relationships in a year, in nearing mid-adulthood is not that bad.

it is not the characters fault for dressing up that way.it is the writers who inaccurately portray women in comics

#24 Posted by PassionFlower (963 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma dresses more like a fetish model than prostitute imo. I'm not a huge fan of how they dress most heroines.

#25 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7306 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull said:

ok, why are people going crazy about this?

Exactly what i'm thinking.

#26 Edited by Vance Astro (91365 posts) - - Show Bio
@lykopis said:

Thong. There are thongs. You even disregarded Elektra most recent depiction in Thunderbolts. So -- address all please. And the argument about genders dressing differently means what precisely? That its perfectly acceptable for a woman to wear thigh highs and ties around thighs because its a female thing? Wow --- then I must be doing it wrong. When I go to work out, I wear jogging pants and t-shirt --- guess I should be showing up with Olivia Newton John style leggings and bodysuit

Thongs are thongs but neither character is wearing one. I didn't dismiss her recent depiction in Thunderbolts because she's NOT wearing a thong. She's wearing a one piece unitard that is something like a bathing suit. What you're saying regarding what's acceptable for women to wear makes no sense, my point about the fact that they are female is, you don't see male characters dressed like that because those are feminine costumes.
 
@lykopis said:

I won't give you the meaning of provocative. You know it. The majority of the "female" characters you provided have been presented provocatively. Your example of a corset being a sign of potential prostituting and your example of a one piece not being so is out-there.

You're right, I do know the meaning which is why I named the characters I named. When you say they are "presented provocatively" you can't be talking about costumes. Which is what the argument is about. 
  
@lykopis said:

Oh -- and by the way? X-23 was a prostitute. You forgot about her. And she was a teenager.

I didn't forget her I just don't think it's relevant to point out 1 of many teenage superheroes who don't dress provocative and aren't prostitutes.
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#27 Posted by Vance Astro (91365 posts) - - Show Bio
@Darksider555 said:

it is the writers who inaccurately portray women in comics

How do they inaccurately portray women? 
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#28 Posted by God_Spawn (38243 posts) - - Show Bio

@Darksider555:

it is not the characters fault for dressing up that way.it is the writers who inaccurately portray women in comics

Seriously? That's like saying writers inaccurately write men too since I don't see schizotypal martial artists in batsuits jumping across rooftops or billionaires in metal suits flying through the sky every day.

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#29 Edited by Veitha (3362 posts) - - Show Bio

Psylocke and Elektra look like prostitutes. Emma looks like a prostitute with a stylist lol. Anyway, it's part of her character looking so and talking that "bitchy" way, it's one of the reasons she's so gorgeus lol

#30 Posted by SC (13299 posts) - - Show Bio

The same reason Captain America and Galactus do.

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#31 Edited by Target_X (379 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro: @lykopis:

Until recently, hopefully the new Uncanny X-Force helps to further change her image, Psylocke has always been dressed in an overtly sexual manner to me. The outfit just isn't practical even for a 'ninja' and Elektra's is just as bad; that doesn't even begin to mention their poses. I digress, however, Emma is the topic.

@god_spawn said:

90% of all women in comics dress like prostitutes. And why do people keep calling her a whore? She has been with 5 guys and is almost in her thirties if not there yet and cheated on Scott once while under the influence of the Phoenix Force. I've seen dozens of kids in high school go through that many relationships in a year, in nearing mid-adulthood is not that bad.

That pretty much sums up my thoughts about her.

#32 Posted by tupiaz (2240 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@lykopis said:

So then Selene, Elektra, Psylocke, etc -- a corset with thigh high boots and bikini bottoms are the uniform of prostitutes?

Elektra and Psylocke are Ninjas, they dress for stealth. Their costumes are understandable. Selene & Emma on the other hand are dressed like hookers. Corset's enhance the bust and slim the waist, perfect for attracting attention to the upper half.

Personally I think Elektra is closer to look like Stacy X than to the hand.

@Vance Astro said:

@Aiden Cross said:

And you do not see the flaw in this?.. I find it odd you refer to the ninja's in comics and other media to support your own argument, yet when you talk about prostitutes you compare them to real life? Ninja's wear normal civilian clothing to help them blend in with society to reach their targets, not dressed in black like you see in various media. Even if we discuss the costumes in comics and media, do you see the male ninja's jumping half naked on roof tops?

No, because there isn't any. Ninjas in comics and Prostitutes in comics are alot different. Ninjas are a sensationalized character type in comics.I've never seen a Ninja that looks anything like Strider Hiryu,Daredevil,Lady Bullseye,Mai Shiranui.Naruto etc. in real life, Ninjas don't wear bright colors or superhero style costumes as it pertains to real life, I understand those costumes but that's not how a real ninja would operate. On the other hand prostitutes inside AND OUT of comics wear similar outfits to what Emma Frost is wearing. I don't see male Ninja's jumping around half naked but male and female are two different genders, they wear different things.

Daredevil was a superhero long before he became a Ninja. So there you got his costume. It is also according to The Man Without Fear to show respect to his father.

#33 Posted by Skunkstein (591 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_ said:

Lols, that may be some of the worst excuss from a writer ive ever heard. There are so many weak explanations of why comic book women dress cheaply. When the only reason really is; they are created by men, and most comic book fans are male, so its simply fan service.

#34 Posted by CerealKiller (161 posts) - - Show Bio

Does anyone want to remember that these days she mostly wears pants and crop top?

Anybody? no?

I mean really i think everyone should be over the whole 'lololol emma frost is a ho lolololol' thing because really that horse has been beaten to death.

#36 Posted by Vance Astro (91365 posts) - - Show Bio
@Target_X said:

@Vance Astro: @lykopis:

Until recently, hopefully the new Uncanny X-Force helps to further change her image, Psylocke has always been dressed in an overtly sexual manner to me. The outfit just isn't practical even for a 'ninja' and Elektra's is just as bad; that doesn't even begin to mention their poses. I digress, however, Emma is the topic.

What does how she's dressed have to do with her "image"? I don't recall Psylocke being an overtly sexual character, and of course you know what someone wears doesn't give any incite into what type of person they are. Either way, Psylocke's costume is alot like that of a gymnast it's thin, tight and lightweight. It may not work so well for combat but as far as being able to move freely and efficiently I don't see why her costume is inappropriate or impractical for what she does. 
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#37 Posted by Target_X (379 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@Target_X said:

@Vance Astro: @lykopis:

Until recently, hopefully the new Uncanny X-Force helps to further change her image, Psylocke has always been dressed in an overtly sexual manner to me. The outfit just isn't practical even for a 'ninja' and Elektra's is just as bad; that doesn't even begin to mention their poses. I digress, however, Emma is the topic.

What does how she's dressed have to do with her "image"? I don't recall Psylocke being an overtly sexual character, and of course you know what someone wears doesn't give any incite into what type of person they are. Either way, Psylocke's costume is alot like that of a gymnast it's thin, tight and lightweight. It may not work so well for combat but as far as being able to move freely and efficiently I don't see why her costume is inappropriate or impractical for what she does.

What a person wears has everything to do with image, and if you don't think that we're just going to have to disagree. If a woman walks in with a tailored suit and attache case you're probably going to think that person is important. If a woman runs around half naked, you're probably going to think something else. I agree that her outfit did bear some similarities to a gymnasts, but you're only kidding yourself if you think that was the reason she was designed that way, especially when you take into consideration the poses, etc. they place her in. I never said her personality was overtly sexual, though she has been in a number of adult situations (which is fine since she is an adult), but rather, I said that her clothing was. There is a distinct difference in that and you cannot say that her new Uncanny X-Force outfit is any less practical for what she does while managing to cover more of her body. Well, you can, but I'm going to have to disagree.

For Reference:

And, I would like to add, this is much more 'stealthy' looking than what she wore before. Which is what a major component of what a ninja is.

#38 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: i doubt the PF told her to screw around behind scott's back.

#39 Posted by God_Spawn (38243 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer: Doesn't matter.

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#40 Posted by Vance Astro (91365 posts) - - Show Bio
@Target_X said:

What a person wears has everything to do with image, and if you don't think that we're just going to have to disagree. If a woman walks in with a tailored suit and attache case you're probably going to think that person is important. If a woman runs around half naked, you're probably going to think something else. 

Yea, maybe if we were talking about a celebrity or something like that, but in context to assume that a character is a sexual being because of the lack of clothing would go against everything you know about superheroes\superheroines. Wonder Woman was running around in nearly nothing for years, but I always saw Diana as a symbol of power & equality and sex isn't really a part of her character. You get what I'm saying?  Robin used to run around in man panties with little green slippers, but I never thought he was gay or weird, I assumed that's just what superheroes wear. 
 
@Target_X said:

I agree that her outfit did bear some similarities to a gymnasts, but you're only kidding yourself if you think that was the reason she was designed that way, especially when you take into consideration the poses, etc. they place her in. 

That's the thing, how would you know? If you think poses prove that she was designed that way simply for sex appeal..I disagree because artists can sexualize any female character. Have you ever seen J.Scott Campbell's work? 
 
@Target_X said:

I never said her personality was overtly sexual, though she has been in a number of adult situations (which is fine since she is an adult), but rather, I said that her clothing was.

I know, that was my point. Knowing that she's not overtly sexual means you are capable of separating her actions from what she wears. 
 
@Target_X said:

There is a distinct difference in that and you cannot say that her new Uncanny X-Force outfit is any less practical for what she does while managing to cover more of her body. Well, you can, but I'm going to have to disagree.

And, I would like to add, this is much more 'stealthy' looking than what she wore before. Which is what a major component of what a ninja is.

I never said that Psylocke's costume was "ideal" for what she does, I'm simply saying that "I get it". Her Uncanny X-Force outfit is far better and much more reminiscent of a ninja and how a ninja should look but by the same token there are tons of different fictional ninjas and their costumes aren't very reminiscent of what we know a ninja to be, their costumes have their own flaws as well. So I would assume that the way Psylocke is dressed is a product of fiction and a look that the artist was going for rather than simply a reach for sex appeal.
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#41 Edited by etragedy (1103 posts) - - Show Bio

@RogueJuggernaut:

O.K., enough is enough - I have to step in. Here is the REAL reason.

Because she was based on a prostitute (sort of), or at least an intentionally sexual (aka 'slutty') character/outfit.

'The Avengers' was a 60s British TV show that broke a lot of taboos; specifically an episode entitled 'A Touch of Brimstone'. In that episode, Emma Peel goes undercover in a group called The Hellfire Club a group of wealthy individuals who (among other things) engage in orgiastic rituals. The Hellfire club has an inner Circle of Justice. Emma goes undercover as the 'Queen of Sins' in a skimpy outfit and is given to the men who are told "she's yours to do with what you will". One of the cast members was Peter Wyngarte.

Years later, Chris Claremont and John Byrne influenced by that show based the events of Uncanny X-Men 129 on that show, and Jean Grey's 'Black Queen' costume was a very direct translation of the 'Queen of Sins' Costume and the Emma Frost's corresponding White Queen costume was the same but white instead of black. Emma and other members of The Hellfire Club's Inner Circle, including one Jason Wyngarde, had some nefarious intentions for poor Jean Grey.

Emma the 'Queen' of the Hellfire Club (with Wyngarte)
Jean Grey as the Black Queen of the Hellfire Club (with Wyngarde)

...and, of course

Emma as White Queen (and the ever present Wyngarde)

Wikipedia entry on the Avengers episode 'A Touch of Brimstone'.

...and now you know the rest of the story.

#42 Posted by lorex (958 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Emma's look has changed over the years from some sort of feminism/empowerment, ie taking that which society considers risque or even wrong for a good woman to wear and making it her own statement, too becoming more modern looking and haute coture while at the same time thumbing her nose at societal norms. The problem is that most women in comics are depicted and being healthy, athletic and beautiful which leads in most cases to the stock supermodel look most female comic characters. With Emma she had this attitude that she knew she was beautiful and played her looks fro all they were worth and whether it was part of the image she wanted to project or if she really just did not care that others thought. As for her being a prostitute well I do not think it was clearly stated but in her early days in the Hell Fire Club she was a dancer and used her powers to extract info from people for personal gain. My own theory was she probably acted like the Emma Frost in X-Men: First Class and projected the illusion the client was geting more than they thought they were.

#43 Posted by Veitha (3362 posts) - - Show Bio

@etragedy said:

@RogueJuggernaut:

O.K., enough is enough - I have to step in. Here is the REAL reason.

Because she was based on a prostitute (sort of), or at least an intentionally sexual (aka 'slutty') character/outfit.

'The Avengers' was a 60s British TV show that broke a lot of taboos; specifically an episode entitled 'A Touch of Brimstone'. In that episode, Emma Peel goes undercover in a group called The Hellfire Club a group of wealthy individuals who (among other things) engage in orgiastic rituals. The Hellfire club has an inner Circle of Justice. Emma goes undercover as the 'Queen of Sins' in a skimpy outfit and is given to the men who are told "she's yours to do with what you will". One of the cast members was Peter Wyngarte.

Years later, Chris Claremont and John Byrne influenced by that show based the events of Uncanny X-Men 129 on that show, and Jean Grey's 'Black Queen' costume was a very direct translation of the 'Queen of Sins' Costume and the Emma Frost's corresponding White Queen costume was the same but white instead of black. Emma and other members of The Hellfire Club's Inner Circle, including one Jason Wyngarde, had some nefarious intentions for poor Jean Grey.

Emma the 'Queen' of the Hellfire Club (with Wyngarte)
Jean Grey as the Black Queen of the Hellfire Club (with Wyngarde)

...and, of course

Emma as White Queen (and the ever present Wyngarde)

Wikipedia entry on the Avengers episode 'A Touch of Brimstone'.

...and now you know the rest of the story.

Oh Gosh

#44 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20427 posts) - - Show Bio

#45 Edited by etragedy (1103 posts) - - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek: Damn you.

#46 Posted by Vance Astro (91365 posts) - - Show Bio
@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

HELL YEA!

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#47 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_ said:

Nice.

#48 Posted by God_Spawn (38243 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Deathstroke dresses up like a gimp.

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#49 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18355 posts) - - Show Bio

because woman dressed in a sexy manner increases the sales and attracts male costumers.

ever notice how ALMOST every man and woman are seriously attractive in comics?

and a popular character like emma is bound to have arousing clothes ....go figure.

#50 Posted by TDK_1997 (15085 posts) - - Show Bio

A lot of women in comic books are dressing like her.

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