Emma Frost is a fictional character originating from Marvel Comics. Originally starting off as a super villain and enemy of the X-Men, during which she was the White Queen of the Hellfire Club, Emma Frost is a powerful mutant telepath who can transform herself into organic diamond. She has become a prominent member of the X-Men. A gifted teacher, Emma is renowned for her beauty, wit, and sense of fashion.
I like scott and emma, it fits and makes since every since i saw grant morrison write it in New X-men. Scott and Jean just felt like you going out with your high school crush, or basically the you that still in his shell with emma I feels hes gotten outta his shell to become a good leader and i dont blame scott for his dochey mentality nobodies perfect, hell to be an x-men leader sometimes you got to be a douche.
Yeah, I think we've talked about this before but I was all but threw with X-Men after the Five Lights arc, but on a whim chose to stick it out for Quarantine. Glad I did because I discovered the potential that Gillen has as an UXM writer (I refuse to give Fraction credit for anything good in that arc :P). The moment he came on board Emma read oh...about 100% better. Not consistently perfect, but he had his moments of perfection. I loved how he handled her interaction with Shaw and Kitty. And throwing Fantomex into the mix was genius! At least once an issue he'll give me a peak at the Emma I know and love. I really hope he brings back the Emma that told Scott that she was rebuilding the school and was going to continue to teach and run the X-Men with or without him. Seriously, I know that Austen's X-Men is more or less seen as abominable, but that panel perfectly sums up everything I love about Emma Frost. Gillen has a lot to fix (like his writing of Colossus as of late), but I think he can do it. If he writes Emma as more assertive, cuts subplot she has going with Hope/Jean/Phoenix Force (whatever), and spreads the spotlight around evenly on the team I can see his Uncanny elevating from good to a truly great run. I mean he's bringing Sinister back, that's already a plus one in my book. And if that wasn't enough, issue two will feature the X-Men vs. a Celestial, never let it be said he's a man of small ideas.
Seems I'm the only one still awaiting the Emma Banshee relationship that almost began in Gen X.
@nyx said:
Imagine Emma with Namor! Too large egos, fighting for dominance; it would be passionate, unstable, volatile.
I don't see it, probably because I don't see anything other than muscles when it comes to Namor.
Emma has been the product of steady bad writing for years. She's miles different from when Morrison originally introduced us to the Emma/Scott relationship, which is part of the reason why I think it's so easy to cheer for them to be done. It's just not the same, all credit to Matt Fractionofawriter
Interesting article... I am not a X-men fan, but what you are saying in great, before Summers Emma used to be a Strong female character, now she is under Cyclops' shadow; comics need more strong women, and I am agree, her character could be more interetsing with Namor (I could be wrong, but namor has never been an intelligent guy, and Emma is pretty intelligent, so she would be the brains) because Cyclops is a competent leader, and Emma is not that important with him as leader...
I also really liked Schism #4, and the panel displayed above. THEMS FIGHTIN' WORDS. And the panel of Scott looking at the old picture of himself as a teenager. "Simpler times. *sigh*"
It would be interesting to see Namor and Emma together, though. Maybe by some miracle they can have a nasty affair that splits the X-team into even more books I would need to purchase!
Well, I think the last comics I ever purchased was the Onslaught series lol. Anyways (this is prob not relative to the conversation) but I would have had liked to see Sebastion Shaw, Selene, and Emma Frost re-start the Hellfire Club with some characters that have been around awhile like Ahab, Mesmero, Fabian Cortez, etc.,etc. Never knew about the Emma/Scott relationship, but never liked the White Queen as an X-Men.
I don't care for Ms. Frost very much. I find that she is too much of a background character at this point. However, I feel Cyclops needs to go away as well. I think alone, both Cyclops and Emma will be better. I want Emma to be on her own but at the same time, despite my dislike of her character, I want her to stick around in the X-verse. I would like to see her less second banana and more head honcho.
As much as I hate to admit it. I miss when Cyclops had morals. Sacrificing morals for being cool/badass is not good writing, especially knowing Cyclops' history. No offense to Mr. Fraction either, but I liked Cyclops before and I just can't like him anymore. I know he needs to evolve but the evolution just doesn't seem right. His character evolution was as fluid as Iron Man's during Civil War. The only difference between Tony and Scott is that I still liked Tony because it made sense with his character. I don't care how much pressure Scott was under or how in danger he was. He was always the one to have the level head and the strategy to get out the situation the X-Men were in. He could do all that while maintaining his beliefs and teachings. I feel he has taken a page out of Xavier's questionable actions book as well as Magneto's guide to ruling Mutants. I would like to see Cyclops make the leadership of the X-Men to be like the old school Avengers set-up and have elected chairmen. Maybe he needs other people *cough* STORM *cough* to take the reigns. Maybe he will remember what it was like to be a good leader as a follower.
I know this should be more about Emma but I think Cyclops is too attached to her to not talk about him.
While I'm relatively new to comics, I must say it's storylines with her dating Scott that have brought me to love the character. I've loved he in storylines such as Quarantine, Love And The Wolverine, and Xenogenesis. I know these storylines aren't last-week new, but they are hardly ancient stories.
first off in the first picture cyclops & wolverine are talking about Jean!!!!! people who havent read schism #4 are going to think is Emma!!! NOT COOL! manipulating the article and using scans that are out of context. and secondly THIS is must be BAD articles month or HATE marvel month (with the one about heroes for hire being a bad idea). i think she's getting plenty of face time, she can a lot of important decisions, i think she is in an EQUAL partnership with scott and namor's lines are just to get her into bed. HE'S DESPERATE HE's BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS, TRYING TO STEAL SOMEONES WIFE.
I think the old Ema from the Hell-fire Club was great, but i guess back then she wasn't in love as she is now. And love changes people for good or for bad.
I'll just leave this here to remind everyone what a great couple they are.
To be fair, this panel was preceded by a panel of Jean psychically telling him to "Live" with Emma and be happy. His dead ex-wife had to give him permission to love another woman, because he refused to let her go. And I think he still hasn't fully let go of her.
I never thought Scott and Emma would last this long. I never thought Jean would stay dead this long either tho. I would love to see Emma end up with Wolverine or least shack up for a night so Wolverine could always have that on Cyclops. I wouldn't mind seeing Emma in X-Force. She seems like good fit since she's killed before too.
@goldenkey: I hate to break it to you, but I think Emma would consider Wolverine beneath her. So as for them shacking up, not going to happen. And you wanting that so wolverine can finally have something over Cyke seems petty.
(Facepalm). There aren't words to describe the pointlessness. Must leave...before...start abusing...
You know what? Screw this. I'm not letting you off that easily. Cyclops cops enough flack from idiots who have no idea what they're talking about, he doesn't need it in inaccurate freaking staff articles.
Did you happen to mention that Schism is;
A COMPLETE DISGRACE TO X-MEN CANON, A VILE PIECE OF SELF-SERVING MASTURBATION, AND AN INSULT TO ANYONE WITH AN IQ ABOVE 12?
No? Of course you didn't, because that wouldn't support your argument. Speaking of, what was your argument? That Emma is disrespected by Cyclops because Namor said so? Namor? A man well known for his integrity, and not at all narcissistic tendencies? Never mind that the majority of your scans are from what is generally acknowledged to be the WORST run in X-Men history, you completely glossed over the fact that Emma is
A BETTER PERSON BECAUSE OF BEING WITH SCOTT.
Ignoring the fact that since being with Scott Emma has risen to a new level of prominence in the Mutant Community and isn't being treated as a subservient slave like she was with Shaw, but as a partner and confidant. But hey, let's reference Scott loving Jean more than Emma,
DESPITE THAT BEING PROVED FALSE NUMEROUS TIMES BEFORE. AND NOT IN STORIES WRITTEN BY IDIOTIC FANBOYS.
But I mean, if we acknowledge that, we'd have to read a comic starring the two from before the start of this year.
@FadeToBlackBolt: This post was brilliant, and I completely agree FTBB.
It seems Babs has a hatred for Cyke, I remember reading her "How the Leader of the X-men lost his heart" article, which as you'd expect didn't do him any justice. And for anyone that has actually been reading comics for the last 7 or 8 years you would realize he's evolved accordingly and done what had to be done. But I don't need to lecture you, you obviously realize the same things I do about Cyke and more than likely read the comics.
A I'm sure you would agree just how bad Schism has been...
I agree that Emma has been shown to be a strong character and deserves more face time in the X-men issues, but to say that her character has taken a back seat due to Scott is the equivalent of saying that it's Scott's fault that Magneto is no longer a strong leader or even Charles.
And they're not in a relationship with Scott... to the best of my knowledge. None of these characters will be in the limelight unless they leave Scott's side (like Magneto's travels to aid Havok and to stop Legion), which Emma Frost seems to rarely do.
Regardless, when used correctly, Emma is still a good character with great internal development (Uncanny X-men 534, stopping Shaw) and I would love to see her branch out and take command once again.
But to have her leave Scott for the purpose of being a "Queen" again or be with Namor would betray the growth she has shown since Astonishing X-men.
What Emma needs is her own team to lead. Remember Dark X-Men? She showed that she still had what it takes to take risks and make the tough decisions. It was a brilliant plan and it wouldnt've worked without her.
As long as writers a focus on Emma's evolution, while avoiding her overwhemling insecurity at the thought of Jean or her vulnerability to Namors half-as$ed advances, she'll be able to make a comeback as a strong central character without having to do something as ridiculously dramatic as leaving Scott (a breakup like that would be alluded to everytime they cross paths and would just get annoying).
@FadeToBlackBolt: This post was brilliant, and I completely agree FTBB. It seems Babs has a hatred for Cyke, I remember reading her "How the Leader of the X-men lost his heart" article, which as you'd expect didn't do him any justice. And for anyone that has actually been reading comics for the last 7 or 8 years you would realize he's evolved accordingly and done what had to be done. But I don't need to lecture you, you obviously realize the same things I do about Cyke and more than likely read the comics. A I'm sure you would agree just how bad Schism has been...
Yep, I'm well known for ranting/being a d**k on here, and I'm trying to tone it down, but people who say stuff like "Cyclops is bad" despite knowing nothing about the character really get to me. Babs' first thread, the one you mentioned, is what prompted me to make that Cyclops "Douchebag" Demotivational Poster that was posted a few pages back.
Scott is a dick, and should be without any relationship, in fact he shouldn't be the leader of the x-men. seriously i truly hate what they did with scotts character through the years.
So bring back Jean and have her start a relationship with Emma, just to make Scott suffer.
Well, the future of the X-men looks bleak in general with a guy like Jason Aaron writing. The fact that he used Jean Gray as a trigger pretty much summed up what dated and pointless story Schism is.
babs hit the nail on the head. scott knows that eventually jean will return. look at the end of the "planet x" storyline when she died AGAIN. her last words were "live scott, live". she came back 150 years later in the phoenix egg. he thinks he will be around for 150 years? heck, i bet you he thinks hope is the reincarnation of jean! emma is the bad girl who has an edge that every dorky wannabe bad boy like scott needs and he just throws her by the wayside with HOPE that jean will reappear.
But that seems par the course for much of this article.
I agree that Emma's characterization and BAMF status has taken a severe backseat under Fraction's pen, but many have been making this argument for nearly two years now without interpreting it as Cyclops still longing for his ex-wife. In fact, the more accurate comparison between the two heroines is that Emma has now become the new "Jean" in Cyke's narrative, which is indicative that every woman that Scott Summers has been with from Jean, to Maddie, and Emma have shared this same problem.
Cyclops is a hero that was not created with many unique innovations beyond the cliches of the leader stereotype. He was given these overly epic and romantized storylines that would influence the entire X-universe, but in my opinion, was something to supplement a lack of personality and charisma a 'main character' should have. When Jean was brought back after her poignant sacrifice in the Phoenix Saga, her character would spend the next two decades being absorbed into Scott's family/future drama. In almost every X-event, she was prominantly featured, but never truly an actual player in anything that unfolded around her--even her own 'children'.
Nowadays, even though Scott's characterization has gone through a post-Morrison renaissance and he actually draws interest under his own merit as an Xman, there is still the issue with using his relationship [with Emma in this case] as a prop or a cheerleader in his own exploits. Whedon was able to balance this dynamic quite well, giving both characters room to flex, but Fraction has done more to reverse this and downplay much of what Emma added to Scott's development. Its not like Scott suddenly became this intriguing characer ALL on his own. He had certain events and people in his life that allowed him to break a mold that for years held him back.
So to me, the problem is more Scott Summers or simply a writer's ability to interpret the character well.
I can say these two things as someone who has little experience in the X-Men:
-I think the article raises a lot of good points, and Babs should be given some latitude in how she writes, especially in reference to specific panels. She is using them to illustrate a point, not to co-opt the plot of the series.
-I am not sure if it is fair to characterize anyone as unable to get over the death of a loved one as "hung up on his ex". This is not really the case here as he and Jean were friends long before being married, and thus lost one of his best friends and his wife when she died violently. If the same happened to me, even if I did move on, I would probably harbour some regret for quite some time.
(Facepalm). There aren't words to describe the pointlessness. Must leave...before...start abusing...
You know what? Screw this. I'm not letting you off that easily. Cyclops cops enough flack from idiots who have no idea what they're talking about, he doesn't need it in inaccurate freaking staff articles.
Did you happen to mention that Schism is;
A COMPLETE DISGRACE TO X-MEN CANON, A VILE PIECE OF SELF-SERVING MASTURBATION, AND AN INSULT TO ANYONE WITH AN IQ ABOVE 12?
No? Of course you didn't, because that wouldn't support your argument. Speaking of, what was your argument? That Emma is disrespected by Cyclops because Namor said so? Namor? A man well known for his integrity, and not at all narcissistic tendencies? Never mind that the majority of your scans are from what is generally acknowledged to be the WORST run in X-Men history, you completely glossed over the fact that Emma is
A BETTER PERSON BECAUSE OF BEING WITH SCOTT.
Ignoring the fact that since being with Scott Emma has risen to a new level of prominence in the Mutant Community and isn't being treated as a subservient slave like she was with Shaw, but as a partner and confidant. But hey, let's reference Scott loving Jean more than Emma,
DESPITE THAT BEING PROVED FALSE NUMEROUS TIMES BEFORE. AND NOT IN STORIES WRITTEN BY IDIOTIC FANBOYS.
But I mean, if we acknowledge that, we'd have to read a comic starring the two from before the start of this year.
Scott and Emma have a much healthier relationship than Scott and Jean. When Jean became the phoenix she just used scott to ground herself into humanity. That and her constant flirting with Wolverine probably wittled away at his self confidence.
Scott and Emma see each others flaws and accept each other despite them. Scott couldn't be the leader he is now if he was still with Jean, With her he was wishy washy, with Emma he has a spine.
Have to say, the whole Emma Frost/ Scott Summers thing has been played out for awhile. Also, this should be "Scott Summers is better off without Emma Frost". Bwa Ha Ha!
Good points about Emma, though, and I agree with Eyz to an extent but she has been portrayed as being more powerful in the past and why she's been with Summers just hasn't seemed like something she would've done.
Thank you for this. I am with you all the way. I hate that relationship with a passion and was so hoping Schism would break them up. I loved Emma and now she seems to be nothing more than arm decoration for a guy who has become more of a d-bag in the past decade. I just can't understand why she would willingly be with a guy she just knows will break her heart as soon as he spots red hair. I mean come on, he left his wife and son for Jean. What makes her think he won't do the same to her when she comes back? (And she no doubt will since she always does). She's gone from a smart, sarcastic, independant, sly character to being the simpering rebound girlfriend for the biggest jerk in the X-books. Everytime I peek at an issue now I want to cry remembering what once was.
Disagree. I think you're allowing the presence of drama to signify that she shouldn't be with him, but every relationship has drama.
The problem is she is losing herself in the relationship(they have some nice moments together). I'm not saying she needs to leave scott, she can stay but she needs to lead a team by herself so she gets some independence again.(even though scott still being hung up on jean is demeaning to emma, it makes her whiny) With what 8 titles she can't have one team to lead without scott. She needs to act more like she's the Queen of Utopia which is basically what she is, she is second in command but doesn't really do much with that power.
Joss Whedon would be nice to have write her because he basically used her personality for the character of Adelle Dewitt on Dollhouse, which is how emma should be written
Your concerns, and Babs' concerns, sound more to me like "she's being lost in the shuffle of a large ensemble cast," not "she's being lost in the relationship." I certainly think that Emma could use more face-time and would love to see her in a leadership role, but her relationship with Scott is not what's preventing that. It's simply the writers are opting not to do that.
Strong, independent qualities take a back sit in EVERYONE, Man or Woman when you want to be with someone.
You have to be willing to COMPROMISE your direction to BE WILLING to follow or CREATE A NEW one with someone.
THE Questions is...WHY THAT PERSON? Have they every really answered why Emma wants Scott? What is it about Scott she likes sooo much she feels she needs?
Or maybe like people in the REAL WORLD who are this independent, she's hit a lonely point and Scott is the Nice Guy girls pass after so many Wolverine types. I'm strong, I can take care of myself...so if it doesn't work I can't really be hurt, and he's easier to be with cause he's a Nice Guy, Rescue Pet that no matter what, will look after me when I'm not at my best.
Let's just say that's a scenaristic ripoff to me, and nt an even inspired one : here what happened in the head of the writer :
Scott has lost Jean, OK. But he's the leader of a superhero team, so we have to find him a girl, because, like 95% of superhero team comics, he must have the hot chick, unless we will see he's as bland as a white wall. So... who could be with him ? Mmmh, let's see the X-men roster, nobody is truly free. Hey ! We have Emma Frost ! She's hot, interesting, and more than that, she's a telepath too, not too far much from Jean. Let's go ! Welcome world of the fanservice !
In other word, Scott has echange a telepath for another one.
Frankly, one of the thing that made me drop the X-men titles was the time when I've seen Emma Frost crying in the arm of Wolverine, sayin' something like : "Why in the hell, I had to fall in love of Scott Bloody Summers !"
I feeled exaclty in the same way than her and I feeled the same way againwhen Ororo has married T'challa. Since the end of the Nineties, X-men was a long agonizing jump into to shark to me. Scott has became more and more a cold jerkass (Thanks Matt !) and Emma has lost her edgy personnality.
I personally think Emma and Scott are far better suited than Scott/Jean. As has been stated numerous times both in comics and out, Jean and Scott's relationship was loving but distant. Jean always seemed to have this naivity about how superior she was and how much she left Scott behind. With Emma though, he's become a leader of mutantkind. They really work well together when written well.
I understand the frustration of Emma as of late, as I feel it too. Fraction and even Gillen are writing her as an arm ornament to Scott. We should go back to the classic X-Men tales of the last decade where Morrison and Whedon wrote her well and understood that she was The White Queen first, Emma Frost second, mutant third, X-Men fourth and then regarded her as Cyclops' other half.
They didn't fight over Jean Grey in Schism (even if a very superficial reading might perhaps give that impression). Cyclops simply used her to strike at Wolverine, who then followed suit (perhaps in a more respectful way to her).
Marvel.com: One thing that really struck me is how the mention of Jean Grey put things over the edge for Wolverine and Cyclops. We saw this briefly touched upon once before in an issue of WOLVERINE you wrote, but how would you describe this thing they share over a certain redhead?
Jason Aaron: Well, you can’t do a story about tensions between Cyclops and Wolverine without mentioning Jean at some point. It’s a love triangle that was at the heart of the X-Men for years, so I just like the idea that in the midst of a heated debate it’d come out. Once it got ugly, Cyclops went for something to hurt Logan and that’s the first thing to pull out: mentioning Jean. He pulls it out without mentioning her by name, but it’s spelled out. And of course Logan fires back. That shows that things were getting ugly and personal. We’ve seen these two fight before, but nothing like this, nothing on this level.
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