was she made to replace jean, if so y?

#1 Posted by justice teen (476 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont know much about emma frost because i dont read xmen do to my comic shop close while i was trying to get into it. But from what i been reading online, it seems like she is jean's replacement. if this is true why, whats wrong with jean that she needs to be replace. also can some one tell me about emma personality.

#2 Edited by God_Spawn (38114 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma was created too long ago for her to be created as a replacement. She was originally an X-Men villain. Jean was replaced because her and Scott's marriage was pretty much all but over and Morrison shaked things up. Emma gave Scott a new dynamic and helped the character grow and develop more than Jean ever did IMO.

Emma's personality is that of a highly intelligent, cunning, classy yet in your face, b*tchy woman that knows she is strong and can stand on her own two feet because she had to. She also isn't afraid to play dirty when she has too. Underneath her tough, diamond-like exterior Emma is a very caring, loyal woman. She loves Cyclops and believes in Scott's dream to protect their race. The only thing that she arguably loves more is teaching her students.

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#3 Posted by justice teen (476 posts) - - Show Bio

thanks

#4 Posted by XsPectre28 (732 posts) - - Show Bio

she may not have been created as a replacement but that eventually became her purpose

#5 Posted by Veitha (3362 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm having the same discussion on an Italian forum XD I've been arguing to affirm that she wasn't made to replace Jean for more than tree days! I think that what Godspawn said is a good summary of my thoughts about this: Emma is too different from Jean to replace her

#6 Posted by oraclefyre (936 posts) - - Show Bio

She's definitely not a replacement. But if you read Fraction's run I'd say yes. She was like Jean Grey 2.0, and there are enough of them already.

#7 Posted by Mercy_ (92873 posts) - - Show Bio

Um, what? No.

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#8 Edited by Illuminatus (9510 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, she's Jean's replacement.

Come at me, Frostitutes.

#9 Posted by God_Spawn (38114 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus: NUH UH. Jean nevar gotz the Sebas in the ass or the flounder pounder. They r 2 diffrant.

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#10 Posted by Mercy_ (92873 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

Yeah, she's Jean's replacement.

Come at me, Frostitutes.

BRO, YOU DON'T WANT NONE OF THIS.

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#11 Posted by Illuminatus (9510 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@Illuminatus: NUH UH. Jean nevar gotz the Sebas in the ass or the flounder pounder. They r 2 diffrant.

Seabass in the ass. Lmfao.

@Mercy_ said:

@Illuminatus said:

Yeah, she's Jean's replacement.

Come at me, Frostitutes.

BRO, YOU DON'T WANT NONE OF THIS.

Nobody cares what you think.

#12 Posted by God_Spawn (38114 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus: I once made a joke DH's opinions were like Jean Grey. Relevant for 30 seconds then nobody gives a crap for 10 years.

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#13 Posted by Mercy_ (92873 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

@Mercy_ said:

@Illuminatus said:

Yeah, she's Jean's replacement.

Come at me, Frostitutes.

BRO, YOU DON'T WANT NONE OF THIS.

Nobody cares what you think.

Sure they do.

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#14 Posted by Illuminatus (9510 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@Illuminatus: I once made a joke DH's opinions were like Jean Grey. Relevant for 30 seconds then nobody gives a crap for 10 years.

There's so much truth to this, it's not even funny.

#15 Posted by Mercy_ (92873 posts) - - Show Bio

Done with both of you.

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#16 Posted by Illuminatus (9510 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_ said:

Done with both of you.

So, dinner tonight? 8? My place?

#17 Posted by Mercy_ (92873 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

@Mercy_ said:

Done with both of you.

So, dinner tonight? 8? My place?

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#18 Posted by ragdollpurps (15572 posts) - - Show Bio

Current Emma is like British-Betsy-Lite sometimes.

#19 Posted by Hareil0079 (429 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

Emma was created too long ago for her to be created as a replacement. She was originally an X-Men villain. Jean was replaced because her and Scott's marriage was pretty much all but over and Morrison shaked things up. Emma gave Scott a new dynamic and helped the character grow and develop more than Jean ever did IMO.

Emma's personality is that of a highly intelligent, cunning, classy yet in your face, b*tchy woman that knows she is strong and can stand on her own two feet because she had to. She also isn't afraid to play dirty when she has too. Underneath her tough, diamond-like exterior Emma is a very caring, loyal woman. She loves Cyclops and believes in Scott's dream to protect their race. The only thing that she arguably loves more is teaching her students.

He said it best

#20 Posted by EnSabahNurX (2301 posts) - - Show Bio

But she was given her diamond form i believe to replace colossus lol

#21 Posted by ReVamp (22865 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@Illuminatus: I once made a joke DH's opinions were like Jean Grey. Relevant for 30 seconds then nobody gives a crap for 10 years.

Absolutely hysterical.

And Emma was made during the Dark Phoenix saga, which was before a bunch of the X-Cast was even made. She wasn't made as a replacement.

#22 Posted by Duchess (5995 posts) - - Show Bio

That's like saying Angelina was a replacement for Jennifer lawlz

#23 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

At first I think yes, just like Psylocke orginally was, but like Betsy she has created her own identity.

#24 Posted by Hazlenaut (1960 posts) - - Show Bio

There was Madelyne Pryor for evidence. Now that Cyclops dating Storm who is not a red head, can read minds, or use the phoenix force I think stepping out of his problem. I think Storm may be open for puligamy. Now what to do with Emma. Is there anyone interested on a lady who is bitchy, has low self esteem, and has a very bad past

#25 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (7406 posts) - - Show Bio

That's what I thought WHen I fisrt heard or saw Emma.

#26 Edited by God_Spawn (38114 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hazlenaut said:

There was Madelyne Pryor for evidence. Now that Cyclops dating Storm who is not a red head, can read minds, or use the phoenix force I think stepping out of his problem. I think Storm may be open for puligamy. Now what to do with Emma. Is there anyone interested on a lady who is bitchy, has low self esteem, and has a very bad past

....What the fack are you talking about?

And have you been keeping up with X-Men? Like at all in recent time?

Cyclops isn't dating Storm, he is still with Emma as Storm is still married to T'Challa.

And there have been quite a few people interested in Emma. Namor right now for one which is apparent in UXM.

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#27 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (10660 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991 said:

At first I think yes, just like Psylocke orginally was, but like Betsy she has created her own identity.

Agreed. I think Emma would still make an awesome nemesis for the X-Men, but she has definitely made her identity for herself in the x-world and MU as a whole.

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#28 Posted by Crimsonlord53 (1337 posts) - - Show Bio

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

@Blood1991 said:

At first I think yes, just like Psylocke orginally was, but like Betsy she has created her own identity.

Agreed. I think Emma would still make an awesome nemesis for the X-Men, but she has definitely made her identity for herself in the x-world and MU as a whole.

When she's not writing as a one line zinger scott's girlfriend/eye candy.

#29 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (10660 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crimsonlord53 said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

@Blood1991 said:

At first I think yes, just like Psylocke orginally was, but like Betsy she has created her own identity.

Agreed. I think Emma would still make an awesome nemesis for the X-Men, but she has definitely made her identity for herself in the x-world and MU as a whole.

When she's not writing as a one line zinger scott's girlfriend/eye candy.

Lol...true.

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#30 Posted by Inverno (13315 posts) - - Show Bio

Sure, it looks like it...

#31 Posted by God_Spawn (38114 posts) - - Show Bio
Storm is still married to T'Challa.

I can retract this statement now lol.

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#32 Posted by PowerHerc (85105 posts) - - Show Bio

No, she was created to be a villain.

#33 Posted by SC (13244 posts) - - Show Bio

Reading things online probably isn't the best way to gauge a character, a lot of people fail to give objective perspectives on characters, plus comics is a pretty subjective medium. That being said Emma Frost wasn't made to replace Jean Grey, and if your talking about modern day Emma Frost post Generation X (where she was a good guy slash protagonist character) and talking about Morrison era X-Men where she started to date Cyclops? Thus for many a reason to compare Emma to Jean, then even then its more accurate to say Emma is a Colossus replacement, since Morrison originally wanted to write Colossus but wasn't allowed to. So he gave Emma a secondary mutation diamond skin, which allowed him to have a character with super durability, which was why he wanted Colossus and after also having a fan sell him on the idea of Emma. Morrison also found Cyclops character safe and boring and deserving of more personality and interest so he decided that a pairing of Emma and Cyclops would give Cyclops character extra kick. A cheap and easy way for someone to attack Emma's character therefore is to call her a second rate Jean Grey. Honest similarities can be made though.  
 
Emma's personality? Its great but its pretty complex and lots of good writers and fans struggle with it as far as consistency. My personal take is that of a smart, confident, cynical, intelligent, honest, manipulative, independent, unapologetic, sardonic business woman who is callous and cold because she has a job to do, and its to help protect, encourage, motivate and inspire younger mutants to succeed and thrive, and you can't do that whilst being dreadfully simple, boring and good. Emma believes life isn't fair, and she knows this because she can look directly into peoples minds past all the lies and BS and false claims and shameless self promotion and so her code of ethics is a bit more unconventional than most but to Emma unconventional is better than being naive. In short Emma is a BAMF.          

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#34 Posted by Rumble Man (11118 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

No, she was created to be a villain.

To Jean fans I'd say she's the ultimate villain, so in that regard they succeeded with flying colors

#35 Posted by lorex (958 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:

Emma was created too long ago for her to be created as a replacement. She was originally an X-Men villain. Jean was replaced because her and Scott's marriage was pretty much all but over and Morrison shaked things up. Emma gave Scott a new dynamic and helped the character grow and develop more than Jean ever did IMO.

Emma's personality is that of a highly intelligent, cunning, classy yet in your face, b*tchy woman that knows she is strong and can stand on her own two feet because she had to. She also isn't afraid to play dirty when she has too. Underneath her tough, diamond-like exterior Emma is a very caring, loyal woman. She loves Cyclops and believes in Scott's dream to protect their race. The only thing that she arguably loves more is teaching her students.

I could not agree more. Emma has been around since Uncanny X-Men #129. After years a villian she reformed and became part of the X-Men and later became involved with Cyclops. I would clasify Jean as Scott's highschool sweetheart while Emma is a mature woman that allows Scott to be himself and grow as a person and not have to live up to any childish notions of romance
#36 Posted by Madame_Mist (1325 posts) - - Show Bio

@lorex said:

@god_spawn said:

Emma was created too long ago for her to be created as a replacement. She was originally an X-Men villain. Jean was replaced because her and Scott's marriage was pretty much all but over and Morrison shaked things up. Emma gave Scott a new dynamic and helped the character grow and develop more than Jean ever did IMO.

Emma's personality is that of a highly intelligent, cunning, classy yet in your face, b*tchy woman that knows she is strong and can stand on her own two feet because she had to. She also isn't afraid to play dirty when she has too. Underneath her tough, diamond-like exterior Emma is a very caring, loyal woman. She loves Cyclops and believes in Scott's dream to protect their race. The only thing that she arguably loves more is teaching her students.

I could not agree more. Emma has been around since Uncanny X-Men #129. After years a villian she reformed and became part of the X-Men and later became involved with Cyclops. I would clasify Jean as Scott's highschool sweetheart while Emma is a mature woman that allows Scott to be himself and grow as a person and not have to live up to any childish notions of romance

I like that analysis. I've always seen Jean and Scott's romance to be very spiritual and they hold each other with a certain amount of reverence. But with Emma everything is much more organic and natural. I like the Emma and Scott romance because it is a much more of real love, rather than an idealistic one.

However lately while Scott's been allowed to grow while Emma has taken a back seat.

#37 Posted by lorex (958 posts) - - Show Bio
@Madame_Mist said:

@lorex said:

@god_spawn said:

Emma was created too long ago for her to be created as a replacement. She was originally an X-Men villain. Jean was replaced because her and Scott's marriage was pretty much all but over and Morrison shaked things up. Emma gave Scott a new dynamic and helped the character grow and develop more than Jean ever did IMO.

Emma's personality is that of a highly intelligent, cunning, classy yet in your face, b*tchy woman that knows she is strong and can stand on her own two feet because she had to. She also isn't afraid to play dirty when she has too. Underneath her tough, diamond-like exterior Emma is a very caring, loyal woman. She loves Cyclops and believes in Scott's dream to protect their race. The only thing that she arguably loves more is teaching her students.

I could not agree more. Emma has been around since Uncanny X-Men #129. After years a villian she reformed and became part of the X-Men and later became involved with Cyclops. I would clasify Jean as Scott's highschool sweetheart while Emma is a mature woman that allows Scott to be himself and grow as a person and not have to live up to any childish notions of romance

I like that analysis. I've always seen Jean and Scott's romance to be very spiritual and they hold each other with a certain amount of reverence. But with Emma everything is much more organic and natural. I like the Emma and Scott romance because it is a much more of real love, rather than an idealistic one.

However lately while Scott's been allowed to grow while Emma has taken a back seat.

I agree Emma has been shoved to the side somewhat in the war of personalities between Scott and Logan over the last few years and she could stand some more time in the spotlight.
#38 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (3676 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: @justice teen:

emma is better than jean at being a leader, which jean never was so thats why they kepp killing off jean repeatedly

#39 Posted by Mercy_ (92873 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

Emma was created too long ago for her to be created as a replacement. She was originally an X-Men villain. Jean was replaced because her and Scott's marriage was pretty much all but over and Morrison shaked things up. Emma gave Scott a new dynamic and helped the character grow and develop more than Jean ever did IMO.

Emma's personality is that of a highly intelligent, cunning, classy yet in your face, b*tchy woman that knows she is strong and can stand on her own two feet because she had to. She also isn't afraid to play dirty when she has too. Underneath her tough, diamond-like exterior Emma is a very caring, loyal woman. She loves Cyclops and believes in Scott's dream to protect their race. The only thing that she arguably loves more is teaching her students.

I love you so much.

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#40 Posted by God_Spawn (38114 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_ said:

I love you so much.

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#41 Posted by Onemoreposter (4069 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma Stone is so hot

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