Emma really would die for her students

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#1 Posted by doddy (248 posts) - - Show Bio





#2 Posted by Mercy_ (92605 posts) - - Show Bio

People dont seem to get this, but Emma would do anything for her students.

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#3 Edited by PumpkinBomb (493 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress: 
Like organize a surprise no-prep pit fight, for example. They were just clamoring for that one after M-Day. Subconsciously.
#4 Posted by Mercy_ (92605 posts) - - Show Bio
@PumpkinBomb I didn't say she always went about it in the best of ways. Her methods are at times questionable. But her intent and motives aren't. She's lost so many students. Too many. I don't know how well she'd handle losing many more.
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#5 Edited by Mr. Mercury (19248 posts) - - Show Bio

During Necrosha she went into this weird emotional state all the sudden when her old team was revived. She kinda did the fetal position thing and said "Please don't hurt my students"

#6 Posted by Mercy_ (92605 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr. Mercury Yup. Which shows how affected she is by it.

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#7 Posted by PumpkinBomb (493 posts) - - Show Bio

Heh. Does she know about Ruby Summers' pending existence yet?

#8 Posted by Mr. Mercury (19248 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress:  I'm looking for the scan, but I can't find it now. Let me see...
#9 Posted by PrinceIMC (5421 posts) - - Show Bio

Luckily she's got that emotionless diamond form now.
#10 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio

She always loved her students.  She still cares in some odd way for Firestar (hence her reaching out to offer a place on Utopia for Angelica).  It's a strange relationship that dominated them & hoped to turn the Hellions into an army, but ultimately she did care for them. 
 
Her relationships with Gen X & the Institute kids have been more straight forward.  Yet there doesn't seem to be anything she can do to stop them from dropping like flies.  Basically, if you're in Emma Frost's class... transfer out.

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#11 Posted by Mercy_ (92605 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr. Mercury Sweet. Let me know when/if you find them.
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#12 Posted by Emperor Gonzo Noir (19714 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't think Frost had it in her, I knew she secretly cared, but not that much

#13 Posted by Agent9149 (2893 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
" People dont seem to get this, but Emma would do anything for her students. "
OFT
#14 Posted by Mr. Mercury (19248 posts) - - Show Bio

Hellion Debut


 
 
I can't find the exact scan, gosh darn!
#15 Posted by doddy (248 posts) - - Show Bio

here it is
actually i can't  say that i like this scene...

#16 Posted by Mercy_ (92605 posts) - - Show Bio
@doddy: She shouldn't be like that in diamond form, that's poor writing, IMO. 
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#17 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress:  Or poor art...?  Clayton Crain's digital painting is pretty,  but sometimes too sloppy.  It's been a year since Necrosha came out, so I can't remember if she shifted into diamond form.  But from those shots it's hard to tell if she's diamond, or just highlighted in white in the dark tunnel.
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#18 Posted by Mercy_ (92605 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty: Just grabbed the trade (which was conveniently located about fifteen feet away from me in the study). She's in diamond form which means that not only is it poor art (Crain is pretty hit and miss with me. I feel he's suited to something dark and moody like X-Force but that in something as encompassing as Necrosha that things get lost), but it's poor writing as well. 
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#19 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18826 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress: Hell yeah, i agree with you all the way on your first post. 
 
  
  This video shows a bit of her reaction when her students die during M-Day. and is one of the sadest videos i've ever watched :/
#20 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress: That's just... poor!
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#21 Posted by Mercy_ (92605 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty: Agreed. There's really no excuse.  
 
@xxCellPhoneGirlxx: Awwww. Just watched the vid. :( I remember Childhood's End. That was a pretty heavy arc. 
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#22 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio
@xxCellPhoneGirlxx: That video reminded me of how Kyle & Yost were such... butchers.  Yet I don't think they've been the cruelest writers to handle Emma.  She's had a pretty rough time ever since she stopped being a villainess.  Perhaps she should reform... at least for her own safety.  
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#23 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio

A bus full of dead kids (rejected by Emma), Jubilee, X-23, and the corpses of Skin and Synch disagree with the sentiment that Emma would do anything for her students. She's a pretty terrible teacher/mentor/guardian/leader. Say what you like about varying circumstances, but she is negligent towards many students, and regularly ignores their needs even though she is one of the most powerful telepaths on the planet. Would she die for X-23? I sincerely doubt it.

#24 Posted by Virus_Warning (206 posts) - - Show Bio
@Korg: 
One, unless something exists that I've never read, X-23 has never been one of Emma's students (directly).  She's been at the institute but never on one of Emma's teams.  Also, just because things happen doesn't mean she's negligent.  In New X-Men after Messiah CompleX (I think) where Hellion is critically injured (the first time) she says to Surge that she really does care for her students she just uses more of a "hard love" approach.  And she feels bad that he got injured.  She has a similar moment after the bus explosion and after Mercury is captured. 
There may be something similar in Astonishing X-Men but it's been a while since I read that
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#25 Posted by Charmix (11958 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:
" She always loved her students.  She still cares in some odd way for Firestar (hence her reaching out to offer a place on Utopia for Angelica).  It's a strange relationship that dominated them & hoped to turn the Hellions into an army, but ultimately she did care for them.  Her relationships with Gen X & the Institute kids have been more straight forward.  Yet there doesn't seem to be anything she can do to stop them from dropping like flies.  Basically, if you're in Emma Frost's class... transfer out. "
I agreee and she still has a heart under nealth her rude nature, but she really cares for her friends and student

#26 Edited by Mr. Mercury (19248 posts) - - Show Bio
@doddy said:

" here it is
actually i can't  say that i like this scene...

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There it is! It was awkward because you know there trying to show Emma's guilt and how she cared for them. But they made her sound psycho in that Smeigel(correct spelling outta the window), "My precious" vein. 
#27 Edited by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio
@Virus_Warning said:

" @Korg:  One, unless something exists that I've never read, X-23 has never been one of Emma's students "

Apparently you haven't read a lot over the past few years. Emma has had it in for X-23 for a long time, and is/was Headmistress of the Institute, making all the students her students. I ask again - would Emma sacrifice her own life to save X-23? I would wager not.
 
@Virus_Warning
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" Also, just because things happen doesn't mean she's negligent."

Yes, having an entire team slaughtered because of her own stupidity wasn't negligence. It was... great leadership? Seriously, how can you try to argue that Emma is anything but negligent? Where was Emma when Synch and Skin were killed? Was she there for Jubilee after she lost her powers? Did she not send a busload of students to their deaths because they weren't mutants? Sounds like (criminal) negligence to me. She neglects her current students and focuses all her time on Scott and her own agendas, distancing herself further from all of the students. To make matters worse, she is one of the world's most powerful telepaths, and could have prevented many of these things, and helped these kids, if she had bothered to put it any actual effort, rather than playing petty games with her students. As it is, she hasn't, and even the Cuckoos resent her as a result.
#28 Posted by Virus_Warning (206 posts) - - Show Bio
@Korg said:
" @Virus_Warning said:
" @Korg:  One, unless something exists that I've never read, X-23 has never been one of Emma's students "
Apparently you haven't read a lot over the past few years. Emma has had it in for X-23 for a long time, and is/was Headmistress of the Institute, making all the students her students.  I ask again, would Emma sacrifice her life to save X-23? I would wager not.
 
I was working under the assumption that "her students" is referring to her squad that she personally lead.  In the case of New X-men that would be the Hellions.  X-23 was not a part of the Hellions jsut the team after that which was never under one specific teacher. And X-23 is nigh unkillable (to a point) anyway
@Korg said:

@Virus_Warning
said:
" Also, just because things happen doesn't mean she's negligent."
Yes, having an entire team slaughtered because of her own stupidity wasn't negligence. It was... great leadership? Seriously, how can you try to argue that Emma is anything but negligent? Where was Emma when Synch and Skin were killed? Was she there for Jubilee after she lost her powers? Did she not send a busload of students to their deaths because they weren't mutants? Sounds like (criminal) negligence to me. She neglects her current students and focuses all her time on Scott and her own agendas, distancing herself further from all of the students. To make matters worse, she is one of the world's most powerful telepaths, and could have prevented many of these things, and helped these kids, if she had bothered to put it any actual effort, rather than playing petty games with her students. As it is, she hasn't, and even the Cuckoos resent her as a result. "
I haven't read Synch and Skin's death yet so I can't comment there.  I own it, though, so I'll get back to you on that.
And when Jubilee lost her powers (I'm assuming you mean M-day) she had other more life threatening issues to deal with such as the students currently at the institute.  Has she been the best leader in history?  No.  But not the worst either.  She did bail out the Hellions when they got mixed up with the Kingmaker.  Even when she warned them to watch their behavior in the first place.  Also it's stated in New X-Men that the Hellions were one of the (if not the) best squad.  She was training them to deal with things alone so she could have her attention in multiple places at once.  She has more than one responsibility so she can't devote all of her time to them.  She wants them to protect themselves.
Again, she isn't the best teacher.  In fact, none of the X-Men are.  As you said a busload of students were killed.  That's bad and shows some negligance and/or unpreparedness on all of the staff's part.  Basically X-Men make good fighters, less-than-astounding teachers. They have too many things to focus on at one time: period.
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#29 Posted by doddy (248 posts) - - Show Bio

I must admit that I never found any clue to show that Emma loved her original Hellions, but I think “care about” are proper words. The compelling reason leading Emma to join the X-Men is the death of her old students. That tragedy serves as a catalyst for Emma and pushes her in a different path.   
 I can’t say Emma would die for x-23 without hesitation. Emma tired to drive Laura away using her most horrible memories against her in NXM v2. But the motive of Emma intimidated X is protecting her own students. On the other hand, when she understood that Laura saved Mercury……  

#30 Posted by doddy (248 posts) - - Show Bio

 


Emma maybe not a best teacher or mentor, but the naked truth is that she loves her students deeply.

#31 Posted by uncanny89 (821 posts) - - Show Bio
@doddy:  agreed and i think that if Emma found out anyone tried to hurt one of her students she would personally hunt them down.  
 
Many people on here have said that she is not a good teacher and have cited some examples the one i don't agree with is the bus load of children dying.  1) they were killed by a rocket hitting the bus how can emma stop that? 2) she probably didn't know what was happening because of the fact it was a purifier attack so chances were there was some kind of psychic defence, which is probably why emma didn't know the purifiers were even in the school till it was too late. 3) there was also maybe so many emotions coming from close by that it clouded her mind, yes she is a powerful telepath but that doesn't mean that she can ignore all of that grief.   
 
I see the reason Emma is cold towards her students faces is to try and prepare them for whats to come.  There is a lot of evidence showing that Emma does actually care for them she just uses a tough love approach and why not?  she has lost so many students when she has tried to be nice with them (maybe not so much the original hellions) so she is trying in my opinion to make her students stand on their own two feet and not have to rely on the x-men to save them all the time.
#32 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio
@uncanny89: It was Emma's decision to send them away in the manner which she did. Ergo, it is completely her fault that they all died. She could have prevented it by letting them stay at the Institute. She could have sent them home via X-Jet/Blackbird. Hell, she could have had X-Men escort the bus, which was leaving because the kids supposedly weren't safe at the Institute. What was her decision? Put every single one of them in a regular, non-shielded, completely unprotected school bus, and ship them off with no protection whatsoever. Like I've been saying: negligence (and plain old stupidity). Is Cyclops also culpable? Of course. This thread is about Emma though.
#33 Posted by Mercy_ (92605 posts) - - Show Bio

She and X-23 may not be besties, but Emma f@cked Kimura up for screwing around with Laura.

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#34 Posted by The_Diamond_Prince (66 posts) - - Show Bio
Didn't Emma kill her own sister because she fucked with her students...?

First Post, and of course it would be on an Emma forum! haha.
#35 Edited by God_Spawn (37346 posts) - - Show Bio

Scans from the vid.

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#36 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12562 posts) - - Show Bio

id die for emma. not a painful death mind you but ..........y'know what no i wouldnt
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#37 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2271 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
People dont seem to get this, but Emma would do anything for her students.
i get it  
shes one of my favorite x-men
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#39 Posted by Kairan1979 (16711 posts) - - Show Bio

OK, let's remember the scene with the pit fight in New X-Men. She orders Hellion to knock out X-23 and paralyzes her, and when Hellion tries to do the right thing (instead of blindly following her orders), she punishes him by choosing his rival Surge as a leader (which didn't work so good - I don't see Surge as a good leader). With that kind of teaching she shouldn't be surprised if Hellion grows up and becomes new Magneto.

#40 Edited by doddy (248 posts) - - Show Bio
@Kairan1979: yes, but do you remember who saved laura,the one was aimed by kimur?  
emma refused to receive x-23 joining the school just because she worried about that laura might be dangerous for her own students--i guess it's easy to understood if you knew the past of x-23; however, after realizing that x-23 deserved to be one of students of the academy, what did she do? saved laura's life.
#41 Posted by nikbackm (184 posts) - - Show Bio
@Kairan1979: The point of that was to get rid of X-23, who she considered to be a grave danger to have around the other students. You know, there was that trigger scent problem that would cause her to go on unhinged rampages with the claws out? Still don't think that has been resolved for that matter. 
 
It was not because she felt like being mean to X-23 or something like that. Hellion let his emotions get in the way and was duly chastised in order to learn better.
#42 Posted by doddy (248 posts) - - Show Bio

x-23 wasn't a student of the academy at the time, i don't know why emma should risk her own students' life to accept laura joining school. but we all knew that emma saved laura's life after receiving she as one of her students

#43 Posted by Kairan1979 (16711 posts) - - Show Bio
@doddy
couldn't she realise it after Laura saved the lives of her students during Purifiers' attack? Of after the battle with Bastion? But even after Bastion and Laura nearly dying Emma tried to force her to leave.
@nikbackm
All the students had problems. Wither had uncontrollable death touch - and yet Emma helped him to recover from Moonstar's attack and suggested to practice on lumber. But I don't remember Emma trying too hard to solve the problem with trigger scent or asking Beast to help with it. Maybe because she needed a solid excuse to get rid of Laura? 
And let's not forget that Kimura kidnapped Cessily Kincaid, one of her students.
#44 Posted by nikbackm (184 posts) - - Show Bio
@Kairan1979 said:
@nikbackm:  All the students had problems. Wither had uncontrollable death touch - and yet Emma helped him to recover from Moonstar's attack and suggested to practice on lumber. But I don't remember Emma trying too hard to solve the problem with trigger scent or asking Beast to help with it. Maybe because she needed a solid excuse to get rid of Laura?  And let's not forget that Kimura kidnapped Cessily Kincaid, one of her students.
None of the other students were trained assassins with adamantium claws who had already killed hundreds of people. And no others had triggers that could cause them loose all control and go amok. Wither for example was no danger to other students until Selene got her hands on him.

The trigger scent is embedded too deeply to get rid of ( read: it's one of x-23's vital characteristics, like Cyclops's and Rogue's (former) lack of control). See for example the conversation between Emma and Kimura in issue #37. From this we can also deduce that Emma had been working with the trigger problem (of course she would try to decrease the danger X-23 posed if she now had to be there), unfortunately without much success due to the reasons already listed.

Why would she want to get rid of X-23 in particular unless she was a danger to the others? And go against the explicit wishes of Cyclops and Wolverine? Seems a lot of bother and risking her position for no real benefit, which does not fit Emma's pragmatic nature.
 
I don't see how Kimura's kidnapping of Mercury relates to this. So Kimura is a bad guy, we knew that. But maybe because it would not have happened if X-23 had left earlier as she herself said?
#45 Posted by SC (12703 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course, they are hers. You don't mess with stuff Emma owns, especially her shoes, and especially her students. Just don't expect her to dolt over them and molly coddy them, she realizes she has to mentally and psychologically prepare them for the world out there. 

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#46 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio

Firestar was the only student that was purposefully trained as an assassin. She was unwittingly being brainwashed into keeping her distance from everyone she ever loved, and fighting for her life. It'spretty safe to say that Emma learned her lesson after that went awry and was left at the mercy of her own 'student'.

However, despite Emma's distance with X-23, she has gone on to fight in Laura's defence (by telepathically bullying Kimura... although in all likelihood, the removal of the last memories of human kindness is likely to make Kimura even more dangerous & deadly than before).

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#47 Posted by doddy (248 posts) - - Show Bio
@Kairan1979 said: 
@doddy
couldn't she realise it after Laura saved the lives of her students during Purifiers' attack? Of after the battle with Bastion? But even after Bastion and Laura nearly dying Emma tried to force her to leave.  
the point is not how and when emma accepted x-23 to be one of her students, the point of that is after considering laura as her student, emma saved her life.
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#49 Posted by IllyanaRasputin (1088 posts) - - Show Bio
@xxCellPhoneGirlxx: that was the saddest thing ever! thanks for posting it! <3 poor kids && laurie! :( 
#50 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18826 posts) - - Show Bio
@IllyanaRasputin: I know D: and i love it :]

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