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#1 Edited by EmmaGraceFrost (44 posts) - - Show Bio

at the end of uncanny #18 did scott kill emma ? im sooo confused someone help me out and what was with her telling him about namor also where the hell did prof. x come from gaaaaahhh my mind is fried -_-..

#2 Posted by JonSmith (4007 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think so. Pretty sure he just stole her Phoenix Power.

#3 Posted by Chaos Burn (1787 posts) - - Show Bio

swear she said something after she had her phoenix force stolen.... so no

#4 Posted by EmmaGraceFrost (44 posts) - - Show Bio

*EXHALES* GOOD !

#5 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@EmmaGraceFrost: he beat the crap out of her but shes alive. shes in a convoy going somewhere with cage and dd in the latest issue of new avengers. probably trial or prison or something.

#6 Posted by God_Spawn (38232 posts) - - Show Bio

No. She's just under arrest from the Avengers right now.

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#7 Posted by TDK_1997 (15076 posts) - - Show Bio

He just took the Phoenix Force she had in her for himself.

#8 Posted by Veitha (3362 posts) - - Show Bio

So she's going to jail?? This is unfair! Scarlet wasn't put in jail, why Emma yes??

#9 Posted by God_Spawn (38232 posts) - - Show Bio

@Veitha said:

So she's going to jail?? This is unfair! Scarlet wasn't put in jail, why Emma yes??

Yup, she's going to jail.

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#10 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@Veitha: @god_spawn:

Yes... Emma has been arrested on charges of Terrorism... Even though Ben Grimm killed many people and caused massive amounts of property damage while he was literally instilling Fear in the human population, HE is one of the people escorting Emma to prison.... I'm surprised the Scarlett Witch and Bruce Banner aren't there helping...

Oddly enough, I think Emma only killed one person, and did no property damage... In fact, outside of Utopia, I can't think of a single crime she commited.

#11 Posted by Dark_Vengeance_ (15114 posts) - - Show Bio

No she's not dead that's just wishful thinking.

@god_spawn said:

Oh how I love DD, where is that from?

#12 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: killed one person that we know off, enslaved her own people she was supposed to protect. and no property damage? guess you're ignoring all those battles with the avengers. oh yeah and she killed hawkeye and brought him back to torment him. shes innocent............. pfff my a**

#13 Posted by God_Spawn (38232 posts) - - Show Bio

@DarkKnightDetective: New Avengers 30.

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#14 Edited by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer said:

@Timandm: killed one person that we know off, enslaved her own people she was supposed to protect. and no property damage? guess you're ignoring all those battles with the avengers. oh yeah and she killed hawkeye and brought him back to torment him. shes innocent............. pfff my a**

1: She did enslave her own people. That is not terrorism... It's tyranny... It's wrong...

2: Name a battle she was in which caused property damage on this planet... I'll start you off, there was the battle with Sinister... Now, what else?

3: No, she did NOT kill Hawkeye. You should go back and read that. She hurt him badly, but never killed him...

4: Are you suggesting Ben Grimm DIDN'T murder and commit acts of terrorism when he murdered people while possessed by the Asgardian god of Fear? Shouldn't Ben Grimm be arrested for terrorism?

So, Where are Emma's acts of terrorism???

Oh, one other thing that you might want to consider..... The Avengers attacked the X-Men... The X-Men had a right to defend themselves.... One should always have the right to defend their self when wrongfully attacked..... Even when the Avengers are the ones attacking without provocation....

Or, would you say that MOONKNIGHT was right in attacking the Jean Grey School because Frenzy (and X-Man) called him crazy... Yep, that's all she did. She said he as crazy and he attacked and that started a huge fight...... Should Frenzy have stood there and let Moon Knight beat on her??? Or is she a terrorist because she stood up to an Avenger who was attacking her for name calling?

#15 Posted by Veitha (3362 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm said:

@theTimeStreamer said:

@Timandm: killed one person that we know off, enslaved her own people she was supposed to protect. and no property damage? guess you're ignoring all those battles with the avengers. oh yeah and she killed hawkeye and brought him back to torment him. shes innocent............. pfff my a**

1: She did enslave her own people. That is not terrorism... It's tyranny... It's wrong...

2: Name a battle she was in which caused property damage on this planet... I'll start you off, there was the battle with Sinister... Now, what else?

3: No, she did NOT kill Hawkeye. You should go back and read that. She hurt him badly, but never killed him...

4: Are you suggesting Ben Grimm DIDN'T murder and commit acts of terrorism when he murdered people while possessed by the Asgardian god of Fear? Shouldn't Ben Grimm be arrested for terrorism?

So, Where are Emma's acts of terrorism???

Oh, one other thing that you might want to consider..... The Avengers attacked the X-Men... The X-Men had a right to defend themselves.... One should always have the right to defend their self when wrongfully attacked..... Even when the Avengers are the ones attacking without provocation....

Or, would you say that MOONKNIGHT was right in attacking the Jean Grey School because Frenzy (and X-Man) called him crazy... Yep, that's all she did. She said he as crazy and he attacked and that started a huge fight...... Should Frenzy have stood there and let Moon Knight beat on her??? Or is she a terrorist because she stood up to an Avenger who was attacking her for name calling?

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y

It's all because Emma is a mutant, hated and feared by the humankind. She's not one of the Avengers, she's not a character of the most advantageous superheroes movies ever. No she'll go to jail and her developement is going to be thrown in the garbage.

#16 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: i'll get back to you later with the hawkeye and property damage thing. but as for ben, he didnt pretend to be in control, he didnt scream left and right 'we are messaiahs and we will make a better world for all' (she didnt). he yelling gibberish and attacking everything like a rabbit dog. P5 pretended to be in control when in fact they were slowly losing it. magik for example never had control neither did namor.

#17 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@Veitha: Emma Frost is one of the most interesting characters in the Marvel Universe... I HATE her AND I LOVE her... LOL!!!

Fortunately, while they have arrested her, they are not going to convict her or find her guilty of anything. We already know this. The Avengers and the X-Men are now going to kiss, make-up, and form teams together.. It's really sort of gross... Besides, for anyone to actually convict her of a crime, they have to prove that she broke a law. and then she has to be prosecuted for that crime... She can't be prosecuted for making people bow to her in Utopia... Utopia is a country that is run by Scott Summers. She can be prosecuted for that in the U.S.....She can't be prosecuted for defending herself against an illegal attack by an Avenger...

Have you heard anyone ANYwhere name a specific crime she is guilty of, that took place in a country that can actually prosecute her???

#18 Posted by God_Spawn (38232 posts) - - Show Bio

@Veitha:

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y
It's all because Emma is a mutant, hated and feared by the humankind. She's not one of the Avengers, she's not a character of the most advantageous superheroes movies ever. No she'll go to jail and her developement is going to be thrown in the garbage.

I don't think so. It's not like she will being going to jail for an extended period of time if at all. She just has no PF now and the Avengers are taking advantage of that by arresting her and with only 1 main issue left of this event and a few consequence and tie in issues to wrap up, anything major you are describing isn't likely to happen.

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#19 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer said:

@Timandm: i'll get back to you later with the hawkeye and property damage thing. but as for ben, he didnt pretend to be in control, he didnt scream left and right 'we are messaiahs and we will make a better world for all' (she didnt). he yelling gibberish and attacking everything like a rabbit dog. P5 pretended to be in control when in fact they were slowly losing it. magik for example never had control neither did namor.

So... Even though Ben actually did murder many people... and he actually caused billions of dollars in property damage... You're saying he SHOULD NOT be arrested because he didn't PRETEND to be in control?

And Emma, who did not PRETEND to be in control, but honestly believed she WAS in control (but she wasn't.. .Like being drunk) who did far less damage than Ben Grimm, she SHOULD be arrested and convicted.....

That IS what you're saying, is it not?

#20 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: yep. this happens every day all over the world. she said she was in control therefore she can be judged for her action. ben wasnt.

#21 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: hawkeye was dead. she can try to bullsh*t her way out of it all she wants. that smouldering corpse isnt/wasnt alive. she brought him back so scott will stop his complaining.

#22 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer said:

@Timandm: yep. this happens every day all over the world. she said she was in control therefore she can be judged for her action. ben wasnt.

Okay.. So, Ben likely murdered THOUSANDS of people.... Emma murdered one... and you're saying Ben is NOT a terrorist, but Emma is because of what she said? You're REALLY saying this? I'm not putting words in your mouth?

and here, regarding the Hawkeye thing.

You can see here, she did not kill Hawkeye. She merely hurt him badly...

So, if I'm following you, you seem to think people should be arrested and convicted based on their attitudes, rather than their actions. But that isn't how the law works. There are laws in place that are supposed to constrain people to civil behavior, however the laws are designed to protect the people, maintain order, and minimize property damage... You CANNOT and MUST NOT convict people solely on their words or attitudes... They have to be guilty of breaking a law... And when you enforce a law, you must do it equally... You cannot pick and choose (or at least you shouldn't) who you WANT to arrest and who you do not WANT to arrest....

You ARE saying Emma is guilty because she PRETENDED to be in control... You ARE saying Ben Grimm (in spite of the fact that he did indeed murder many people) is NOT guilty because he did NOT pretend to be in control.... THAT would never hold up in a court of law.

#23 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: look to make this short. her crimes: enslaved her people, killed an avenger (that is a corpse), killed an innocent man, impossed her will on at least one country (that is terrorism) and property damage everywhere she fought avengers (dont bs me for proof cuz its everywhere). you wanna praise the cow do it.

#24 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer: You didn't even read the scan you posted, did you??? She DID NOT KILL HIM..... IT clearly states that...

However, if you want to play the devil's advocate and claim that she did... Let's try this... Imagine a court room... Emma is on trial for the Murder of Clint Barton...

I'll be Emma's defense Attorney... You're on the stand.

Timestreamer, You arrested Emma Frost for Murder. Would you please present to the court, the evidence of said murder. Specifically, would you please present the following:

  1. The corpse or remains of the murder victim
  2. An autopsy report confirming that the victim did not die of natural causes, and that the victim actually did die as a result of injuries inflicted by the accused.
  3. Evidence showing Miss Frost's motives for said murder.
#25 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer said:

@Timandm: look to make this short. her crimes: enslaved her people, killed an avenger (that is a corpse), killed an innocent man, impossed her will on at least one country (that is terrorism) and property damage everywhere she fought avengers (dont bs me for proof cuz its everywhere). you wanna praise the cow do it.

See how you tap dance around the truth?

1: AGAIN... Enslaving people in your own country" is NOT terrorism... Do you KNOW what terrorism is? Why haven't the Avengers arrested Dr. Doom? He is a dictator? Emma was arrested on charges of TERRORISM not tyranny and not being a bitch....

2: She did NOT kill Hawkeye.. He did NOT die... There was no murder...

3: Fighting the Avengers is not a crime..... If they attack you first, it is not a crime.... The Avengers attacked Utopia (Another country... as such, the Avengers had no legal authority there.) The Avengers tried to illegally abduct the citizen of another country. The citizens of that country fought back.. That is NOT terrorism...

4: And still you refuse to acknowledge all the people murdered by Ben Grimm... You refuse to say what makes him innocent. Even if you were right about Hawkeye being killed (which you aren't) that brings the total number of people killed by Emma Frost up to two..... Ben Grimm killed thousands... and you say he is innocent but she is guilty because of her attitude while possessed... That makes no sense.

#26 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: 1. evidence i cant provide i can provide witnesses he dropped dead.

2. he was charred corpse!!

3. she is a crazy b*tch.

look i see you're passionate about this. i understand. but there is no proof she didnt kill him. only her word. a word of someone that can kill and bring people back in the blink of an eye. the hawkeye thing may not stick but she killed that guy, she is an enemy of the state. those 2 are enough.

#27 Edited by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer said:

@Timandm: 1. evidence i cant provide i can provide witnesses he dropped dead.

2. he was charred corpse!!

3. she is a crazy b*tch.

look i see you're passionate about this. i understand. but there is no proof she didnt kill him. only her word. a word of someone that can kill and bring people back in the blink of an eye. the hawkeye thing may not stick but she killed that guy, she is an enemy of the state. those 2 are enough.

Okay.. sooo.. You're sitting in corpse and you present a charred corpse?!?!?!

The Defense Attorney would then ask Hawkeye to walk in front of the jury and present his charred corpse. The Jury would see that he is neither Charred, nor is he a corpse... That argument fails...

Now, about that autopsy report??? You have to present one. You're accusing someone of Murder, you have to actually show a dead body and you have to have an autopsy report. Who would you have perform the autopsy, and what body would they perform said autopsy on?

Oh, by the way. You said, "There is NO PROOF THAT SHE DID NOT KILL HIM." Okay, if you're a citizen of the United States, then you should know that a person is presumed INNOCENT UNTIL THEY ARE PROVEN GUILTY. In the U.S., the accused does not have to PROVE THEY ARE INNOCENT. But rather, the prosecutor must PROVE THEY ARE GUILTY. Emma doesn't have to prove she's innocent. Do you believe that's how the law works in the U.S? that the accused must prove they are innocent/

#28 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: 1. never said enslaving people is terrorism you assumed i was. i was just stating the reasons for her jail time. 2. this is not about ben (for which you have hate on). 3. the x-men shot first. cyclops to be precise.

#29 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer said:

@Timandm: 1. never said enslaving people is terrorism you assumed i was. i was just stating the reasons for her jail time. 2. this is not about ben (for which you have hate on). 3. the x-men shot first. cyclops to be precise.

So, now you're saying.... Her crime, that she is being arrested for by a UNITED STATES LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATION, is enslaving people of her country... That's the actual crime??? You honestly believe the Untied States could send people to other countries and arrest them for that? You DO believe that, correct? Well, you're wrong... The U.S. can't legally do that...

But MY original statement was that she was arrested for TERRORISM... She is being held on charges of TERRORISM.... So... show me the acts of terrorism she did. Do not mention things she did within her own country of Utopia. Do not mention her defending herself against an arrow headed for her head. What specifically did she do, that was an act of terrorism for which another country could arrest her....

And then, explain why Ben Grimm is innocent please.

#30 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: ok. i've humored you enough. this is ridiculous. what are you a lawyer? you dont like it, take it up with marvel. she is what she is and she is a murderer.

#31 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer said:

@Timandm: ok. i've humored you enough. this is ridiculous. what are you a lawyer? you dont like it, take it up with marvel. she is what she is and she is a murderer.

I see, if some one has an opinion other than yours, they should "take it up with Marvel."

Nice job of ignoring the points you couldn't address... and nice job of twisting things so they shape your argument... You'll do well in forums everywhere.

#32 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: she killed that guy so shut up.

#33 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer said:

@Timandm: she killed that guy so shut up.

Case in point.... You can't address the issue.. so, you distract and insult... do you realize how childish you sound?

I'm starting to understand why you think the innocent have to prove they are innocent. And I finally get why you think we arrest and convict people based on how they behaved. You're a child, aren't you? I don't mean that as an insult... I mean, you're actually a kid/? Not even old enough to drive? You don't really know the laws of the land... I get it now... sigh...

One of the problems with forums such as this, is that kids can get on there and be.. well.. kids... children...

#34 Posted by Mutant God (3081 posts) - - Show Bio

wait the innocent guy she killed didnt he like killed a mutant and thats why she killed him or are you talking about a different person

#35 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: you arent addresing her cold blooded murder either. and dont try to belittle me with the same methods you are criticizing. how have insulted you? because i told you to be quiet because you are spewing nonsense with every post?

#36 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer said:

@Timandm: you arent addresing her cold blooded murder either. and dont try to belittle me with the same methods you are criticizing. how have insulted you? because i told you to be quiet because you are spewing nonsense with every post?

There you go doing it again... You didn't tell me to "be quiet" and to suggest that you did is LYING... You said, "shut up..."

However, I HAVE STATED MANY TIMES THAT SHE MURDERED ONE PERSON. And here you are, again LYING, and saying that I'm hiding the fact. Doesn't that bother you? The fact that I have MANY TIMES said she murdered at least one person, and here you are lying and saying that I'm not addressing the fact that she murdered someone...

I STARTED BY SAYING THAT SHE WAS NOT GUILTY OF TERRORISM... Then YOU jumped in with many other things... You said she WAS guilty of terrorism and you said she SHOULD have been arrested because she "pretended to be in control." You DID say this.....

AGAIN, I said she is NOT a TERRORIST.... THAT was my point. It still is... YOU want to mention all these other things that are NOT terrorism... YOU believe the U.S. could arrest her for being a dictator. YOU ACTUALLY SAID THAT SHE HAD TO PROVE HERSELF INNOCENT. YOU DID SAY THIS. and that, alone, shows you lack an understanding of the law.

- You think the innocent have to prove themselves innocent... You truly, honestly, believe that is how the law works

- You believe she's only really guilty because of her attitude. Again, I'm not putting words in your mouth, You said this...

So, do I believe you are very young and you have not learned about laws of the land (I"m assuming you're a citizen of the U.S. I could be wrong)....

#37 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: what are you a lawyer?

#38 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mutant God: the guy hit someone by accident with a plane. he didnt report it because he was a mutant. it was an accident. she killed in cold blood in front of the whole family.

#39 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer said:

@Timandm: what are you a lawyer?

See how you didn't address the issue?

Not that it matters, as one does not need a degree in law to know the basics of the law of the land we live in... But I'm a scientist. PhD in Bioengineering. While I've not been to law school, I CAN read... I HAVE studied history... Everyone should.

When accused of a crime, the person accused is not required to PROVE THEY ARE INNOCENT. You may have heard the expression, "The burden of proof is one the prosecution..." The prosecuting attorney has the burden of PROVING that the accused is guilty. Emma Frost could not be convicted of killing Hawkeye (which she did not) because there is not body... Legally, there is no victim and no murder. there is no proof... She can't be convicted of murdering Hawkeye...

That does not mean she didn't murder anyone. She did... The prick she murdered may have deserved it, nonetheless, it was murder... But that is not terrorism.

She was arrested on the charge of terrorism... Ergo, the Avengers have to have proof that she is a terrorist. They have to prove the things they are accusing her of. They are not accusing her of being a bitch... She IS, but that's not illegal.. They did not arrest her for murder. She did murder someone, but that's not what she was arrested for...That is not what she is being detained for... They did not arrest her fro making citizens of her country bow down to her, MUCH in the same way they have never arrested Dr. Doom for making citizens of his country bow down to him. While it is very evil, it is not an act of terrorism that the U.S. could go in and arrest him for...

Ben Grimm and Bruce Banner both did far worse than Emma Frost when they were possessed by an evil powerful force. The Scarlett Witch killed hundreds, if not thousands, and destroyed millions of lives..... Why has she not been arrested for terrorism?

for a law to be a righteous law, it has to be applied equally to everyone... you can't pick and choose....

#40 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: you have too much time and too much hate. close the laptop and go for a walk. you cant see the difference between comic logic and reality. this is where i bow out and wish you do something else with your life.

#41 Posted by joshmightbe (25006 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: Well Emma was technically a terrorist before she switched to the good side to join the X-men and received no punishment for those crimes so maybe its just karma

#42 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: good luck buddy. you're gonna need it.

#43 Posted by joshmightbe (25006 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer: I don't need luck, when Emma was the White Queen of the Hellfire Club she did evil crap all the time and was one of the key factors in triggering the Dark Phoenix saga, any true X-men fan would know better than to dispute this fact.

#44 Posted by joshmightbe (25006 posts) - - Show Bio

If you want to go into real detail, Emma and Mastermind are at least partially to blame for how the Avengers view the Phoenix in the first place considering if they hadn't screwed with Jean's head back then she wouldn't have flipped out and turned into Dark Phoenix and maybe the Avengers wouldn't have immediately assumed the Phoenix was coming for destructive purposes.

#45 Posted by Inverno (13330 posts) - - Show Bio

Nah I don't think she is dead.

#46 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer said:

@Timandm: you have too much time and too much hate. close the laptop and go for a walk. you cant see the difference between comic logic and reality. this is where i bow out and wish you do something else with your life.

Interesting... something else with my life... Unlike you, I have:

- Graduated High School

- Graduated College

- Kissed a female that I wasn't related

- Gotten laid

- Started a career

- Gotten a driver's license, bought a car, moved out of my mother's home-

- Gotten married

- Have kids

and now I still have time to enjoy myself online and what not.....

YOU, really need to spend your time more wisely... Now, remember to do your homework, and then go to bed...

#47 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mutant God said:

wait the innocent guy she killed didnt he like killed a mutant and thats why she killed him or are you talking about a different person

Yes, she killed someone who had killed a mutant and never reported it... He may well have deserved it, but technically, it was murder. but yeah, the guy was a prick.

#48 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: and you still have time to be a douche. how do you do it? nice list. you do realise i wont believe a word of it right? good luck with the inferiority complex though. measuring your 'supossed' achievements in life with someone on the net you hardly know........ pathetic. and im 22.

#49 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer said:

@Timandm: and you still have time to be a douche. how do you do it? nice list. you do realise i wont believe a word of it right? good luck with the inferiority complex though. measuring your 'supossed' achievements in life with someone on the net you hardly know........ pathetic. and im 22.

Of course you believe it... A child like you, who has just been shown how ignorant he is... Who actually typed out proof that he believes the law of the land states that the accused must prove they are innocent. A child like you who actually left proof that they believe murderers can should be convicted or freed based on their behavior... I feel sorry for you, and hope that your ignorance can be cured.

Now, shoo away, little dog... It's time for you to go hump someone else's leg... I'm tired of you being on mine... bye bye...

#50 Posted by EmmaGraceFrost (44 posts) - - Show Bio

omg im so angry what about wanda look what she did! no one arrested her!

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