Why is 'Dark Origin' treated as canon and used in this wiki?

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#51 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt: Isn't that the one with her as a dancer? I've been meaning to see it, because I know that she was a trained ballerina. It's actually quite evident in the way that she walks in Firefly/Serenity.  "
Yeh, that's it. It's one of my favourite episodes :) 
 
@ComicMan24 said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt: I have to watch Angel eventually. "

It's my favourite non-anime television series ever.
#52 Posted by ComicMan24 (147091 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt: I watched Buffy during 2009-2010 because even though the series ended in 2003, they never showed it here. Strangely they were showing Angel for a while back then but unfortunately I didn't see it.
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#53 Posted by Mercy_ (92697 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt: Never seen it. xP
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#54 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@ComicMan24 said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt: I watched Buffy during 2009-2010 because even though the series ended in 2003, they never showed it here. Strangely they were showing Angel for a while back then but unfortunately I didn't see it. "
I love both, but Angel is superior, imo. 
 
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt: Never seen it. xP "

:O That hurts, Huntress, that hurts.
#55 Posted by Mercy_ (92697 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt: <.< Sorry?
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#56 Posted by ComicMan24 (147091 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt: From what I know is darker than Buffy.
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#57 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt: <.< Sorry? "
:P
 
@ComicMan24 said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt: From what I know is darker than Buffy. "

Yeh it is.
#58 Posted by Emperor Gonzo Noir (19714 posts) - - Show Bio
@fesak said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" Didn't the cancer thing come way after Venoms first appearance? Relatively recently infact. Dark Origin was an update t omove things inline with BND from what I understood. "
No, the cancer was something Eddie ALWAYS HAD, it was just recently revealed is all. He had cancer, and the odd mix of adrenaline it made attracted the symbiote along with his negative emotions. "
So the cancer was retconned into always being there? Why was needed?I choose to ignore that sort of weak writing.  Hate retcons. "
It wasn't, but it happened. That's the point. Dark Origin ignores it (and also it gets everyone out of character). Dark Origin should not be canon and used in this wiki, is what I'm getting at. "
So it was re-retconned. Happens all the time. We can't ignore it just because you don't like it. "
#59 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@Emperor Gonzo Noir said:

" @fesak said:

" @InnerVenom123 said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" Didn't the cancer thing come way after Venoms first appearance? Relatively recently infact. Dark Origin was an update t omove things inline with BND from what I understood. "
No, the cancer was something Eddie ALWAYS HAD, it was just recently revealed is all. He had cancer, and the odd mix of adrenaline it made attracted the symbiote along with his negative emotions. "
So the cancer was retconned into always being there? Why was needed?I choose to ignore that sort of weak writing.  Hate retcons. "
It wasn't, but it happened. That's the point. Dark Origin ignores it (and also it gets everyone out of character). Dark Origin should not be canon and used in this wiki, is what I'm getting at. "
So it was re-retconned. Happens all the time. We can't ignore it just because you don't like it. "
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I still think that's bull. I haven't read a non-Spidey Marvel comic since Siege, because I refuse to believe it happened :P
#60 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio
@Emperor Gonzo Noir said:
" @fesak said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" Didn't the cancer thing come way after Venoms first appearance? Relatively recently infact. Dark Origin was an update t omove things inline with BND from what I understood. "
No, the cancer was something Eddie ALWAYS HAD, it was just recently revealed is all. He had cancer, and the odd mix of adrenaline it made attracted the symbiote along with his negative emotions. "
So the cancer was retconned into always being there? Why was needed?I choose to ignore that sort of weak writing.  Hate retcons. "
It wasn't, but it happened. That's the point. Dark Origin ignores it (and also it gets everyone out of character). Dark Origin should not be canon and used in this wiki, is what I'm getting at. "
So it was re-retconned. Happens all the time. We can't ignore it just because you don't like it. "
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Anti-Venom can't exist without the cancer. And Eddie is Anti-Venom.
#61 Posted by Symbiocide (77 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gylan Thomas said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" Didn't the cancer thing come way after Venoms first appearance? Relatively recently infact. Dark Origin was an update t omove things inline with BND from what I understood. "
No, the cancer was something Eddie ALWAYS HAD, it was just recently revealed is all. He had cancer, and the odd mix of adrenaline it made attracted the symbiote along with his negative emotions. "
So the cancer was retconned into always being there? Why was needed?I choose to ignore that sort of weak writing.  Hate retcons. "

Exactly. Most of the time, writers will later ignore these unnecessary retcons and pretend they never happened. That was the only thing Dark Origin did right. 
 
Even in New Ways to Die, either Slott or Wacker in an interview said that as far as they were concerned, Eddie never had the cancer from day one, or pre-Venom. The cancer happened years later, over his career as being Venom. That even would have been better than forcing some stupid Cancer angle in from out of nowhere and trying to use that as the motivation to why Eddie's been hating Spider-Man when in over twenty years Venom has always vocally stated that he hated Spider-Man for him ruining his career and ruining his personal life. 
 
I used to like the Hunger arc, but ehh. I think the same writer did the same kind of ass-backwards retconning for the Lizard in the same title (revealing that all these years Connors was always in control of his actions as the Lizard instead of the longstanding status quo being that the Lizard persona made him do those things...so apparently all the bad things the Lizard did was Connors in control. A lot of fans did not like that, and later writers flat out ignored that arc. That should have been the case with Eddie-having-cancer-before-ever-even-becoming-Venom-and-using-the-cancer-as-a-reason-to-hate-Spider-Man).
#62 Posted by KingAmongMongrels (13 posts) - - Show Bio

I read a review of Dark Origins. Evidently it's horrible, full of douchebaggery, and contradicting from the times it came out. 
 
Ann Weying (that's her name right?) was drawn a completely different RACE and look.  And Eddie was this pathetic little liar. Those close ups on his face were scarring o_O

#63 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio
@Symbiocide said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" Didn't the cancer thing come way after Venoms first appearance? Relatively recently infact. Dark Origin was an update t omove things inline with BND from what I understood. "
No, the cancer was something Eddie ALWAYS HAD, it was just recently revealed is all. He had cancer, and the odd mix of adrenaline it made attracted the symbiote along with his negative emotions. "
So the cancer was retconned into always being there? Why was needed?I choose to ignore that sort of weak writing.  Hate retcons. "
Exactly. Most of the time, writers will later ignore these unnecessary retcons and pretend they never happened. That was the only thing Dark Origin did right.  Even in New Ways to Die, either Slott or Wacker in an interview said that as far as they were concerned, Eddie never had the cancer from day one, or pre-Venom. The cancer happened years later, over his career as being Venom. That even would have been better than forcing some stupid Cancer angle in from out of nowhere and trying to use that as the motivation to why Eddie's been hating Spider-Man when in over twenty years Venom has always vocally stated that he hated Spider-Man for him ruining his career and ruining his personal life.  I used to like the Hunger arc, but ehh. I think the same writer did the same kind of ass-backwards retconning for the Lizard in the same title (revealing that all these years Connors was always in control of his actions as the Lizard instead of the longstanding status quo being that the Lizard persona made him do those things...so apparently all the bad things the Lizard did was Connors in control. A lot of fans did not like that, and later writers flat out ignored that arc. That should have been the case with Eddie-having-cancer-before-ever-even-becoming-Venom-and-using-the-cancer-as-a-reason-to-hate-Spider-Man). "
Really? I did not know that.
#64 Posted by Symbiocide (77 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123: 

Eddie Brock's new identity as Anti-Venom has also given him a newfound sense of purpose. "Eddie has always had an element of himself linked to faith and a higher power. When he first got the Venom symbiote, he was praying in a church. He wanted vengeance, and the Venom symbiote was delivered unto him," Slott explained. "Now, despite whatever else you may have heard in other comics, it was the symbiote that was giving Eddie cancer. He asked for vengeance and got this thing that made him ill.      
 

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17989 
 
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