Strongest Symbiote?

#1 Posted by DATNIGGA (1221 posts) - - Show Bio

Ive seen a couple of symbiote battle threads on the vine alot of people say Anti venom > All other symbiotes due to hes abilty to ''cure'' or kill symbiotes I thought that too at first but...

I see him getting beaten by his old symbiote... so what would carnage & toxin do to him? lol

idk do you think anti venom is the strongest?

#2 Edited by AmericanSymbiote (7 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, the Anti-Venom symbiote was just weak from curing all the infected people of NY, but besides that Eddie was still throwing Flash around like a ragdoll before this happened. So one could say this fight was a "little" unbalanced, but at full strength Anti-Venom would possibly be able to defeat any other symbiote.
#3 Posted by SurelockeHomes (2195 posts) - - Show Bio
@AmericanSymbiote said:
Well, the Anti-Venom symbiote was just weak from curing all the infected people of NY, but besides that Eddie was still throwing Flash around like a ragdoll before this happened. So one could say this fight was a "little" unbalanced, but at full strength Anti-Venom would possibly be able to any other symbiote.

I was going to say something, but I think he pretty much covered it.
#4 Posted by SlimJ87D (10745 posts) - - Show Bio

@DATNIGGA said:

Ive seen a couple of symbiote battle threads on the vine alot of people say Anti venom > All other symbiotes due to hes abilty to ''cure'' or kill symbiotes I thought that too at first but...

I see him getting beaten by his old symbiote... so what would carnage & toxin do to him? lol

idk do you think anti venom is the strongest?

Another example of someone taking a scan and NOT READING what happen before or after.

Anti-Venom theoretically triumphs over any other symbiote that has ever existed.

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#5 Posted by DATNIGGA (1221 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D: toxin with his raw power could beat him tho

#6 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

@DATNIGGA said:

@SlimJ87D: toxin with his raw power could beat him tho

So, just ignoring the healing touch? And how Eddie is far more skilled than Toxin?

#7 Posted by SlimJ87D (10745 posts) - - Show Bio

@DATNIGGA: Toxin is in a range of 1.5 to 4 times stronger than Anti-Venom. It is debatable when speculating Anti-Venom's strength class.

But even assuming he is weaker than toxin physically, his skill, experience and healing touch (which is a symbiotes Kryptonite) would give him a much greater edge allowing him to win 10 out of 10 times.

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#8 Posted by Degalon (739 posts) - - Show Bio

@DATNIGGA:

@SlimJ87D:

Well, for starters, it's pretty much been stated that Venom is actually the WEAKEST of the existing Symbiotes. Hybrid, Carnage and Toxin are all much stronger. And from I can tell, the Anti-Venom suit is a counterpart to Venom, so it shouldn't actually be any stronger. It just has that "healing" edge to it. Which doesn't really make Antivenom any stronger, it just means he has that ONE ability that nullifies the other symbiotes, more or less. Having a trump card doesn't make you stronger, it just means you have a trump card.

The strongest Symbiote out there right now, I'm pretty sure is Toxin. Also of note, Toxin doesn't have the usual Sonic and Fire weaknesses of a symbiote, so one could speculate that Eddie's "healing touch" may not have the desire effect on Toxin.

#9 Posted by SlimJ87D (10745 posts) - - Show Bio

@Degalon: As I have said in my post, a lot of Anti-Venom's strength can be lead to speculation. There is nothing solid or concrete that shows us his upper limit. Do you have any proof that shows he is a derivative or the same strength level as original Venom? Or are you just speculating this?

Second, I don't think anyone has said that Anti-Venom is the strongest physically here. I'm sure we all understood that Anti-Venom is the strongest all around to win in a fight. By reading the OP, you can clearly see that the topic creator is interested in the healing touch and how it will affect Carnage and Toxin and therefore by asking who is the strongest he means who would win in a fight.

Toxin is the strongest physically. Agreed.

Toxin will not be affected by the healing touch. Disagree. Anti-Venom's healing touch has been shown to cure cancer, addiction, individual's powers, separate a symbiote form its host, cure mutations and much more. Why would he not be able to perform the healing touch on Toxin? There's more concrete evidence that suggest his healing touch would work on Toxin than his healing touch would not.

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#10 Posted by Hazlenaut (1935 posts) - - Show Bio

Symbiotes usually control their host however the one we know well does not he works with his host. Eddy was Venom for a long time so they bonded and possible the anti-venom suit is their child. Unlike the red one white is less hostile. We need give these symbiotes names individually.

#11 Posted by Degalon (739 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D: Well, for starters, in Toxin's case...there's nothing to heal. Pat and the symbiote are still two seperate beings, unlike previous symbiote's and their hosts. Whereas previous symbiotes like Venom, Carnage and Hyrbrid actually merged with their hosts (Albeit with Venom only being partially, despite having the strongest bond), Toxin seems to just function as an actual suit, a second entity.

Like I said, it's not that I don't think that Antivenom's touch wouldn't affect Toxin, it's that I don't think it would have the INTENDED effect, at least not in full force.

ALSO, there's nothing to say that Eddie's touch would even affect other symbiotes. As far as I know, Eddie never came into contact with other symbiotes besides the original Venom one. And his entire White Blood suit is derived from the Venom suit itself merging with his white blood cells. So it would make sense that he could fight Venom, the original infection that his white blood cells were fighting. It's what it is based on. But others like Toxin? Not only is 2 generations of symbiote later, having evolved to gain immunities that previous symbiote's weaknesses, but like I said, the Toxin symbiote is a special case. There's not really anything to "heal".

The more I think about it, the more I think a confrontation between Antivenom and Toxin (their names alone lol) would be an interesting event. The most powerful symbiote out there with virtually no weaknesses, vs the Anti-Venom. I'm just not entirely convinced that Eddie's "healing touch" would really have the desired, if any effect on Toxin, considering the circumstances. (Much like how Fire and Sonics had virtually no effect on Antivenom, despite all evidence saying it should).

As for Anti-venom being derivative of Venom, it's in his origin. The whole way Anti-Venom was created was by the remnants of the Venom symbiote in Eddie merging with his white blood cells thanks to Mr Negative supercharging them to cure his cancer. He has always been portrayed as a "healing" counterpart of the Venom symbiote, and they are pretty much on par in terms of power, as shown by the fight between Eddie and Mac.

#12 Posted by SlimJ87D (10745 posts) - - Show Bio

@Degalon: I don't think your theory about the host bonding holds up. Remember that Toxin has taken control of his host a few times and almost or did cause murder. The only difference I see is that the Toxin symbiote is actually nice.

Venom's healing touch has done everything he wanted it to do. like I said, it has gone far beyond just separating a symbiote from its host. From curing cancer, something the power of cosmics couldn't even do to save Captain Marvel, to clearing mutations from dozens of people. I don't see how it's hard to believe he can't affect Carnage, Toxin and more. Like I said, there's more evidence that points to it working on them then it does not.

I understand your point about how the suit was derived from Venom and Mr. Negative touched Eddie, caused the symbiote pieces left in his blood stream to merge with his white blood cells and create the anti-body symbiote we see. I only read your first sentence and I was able to type all of that. But Gargan was a 15 tonner in addition to having the symbiote he is most likely stronger. If Gargan was only a 15 tonner he wouldn't have lasted anymore then 2 seconds against colossus, and even though he lost that fight he lasted far longer than a 15 tonner would have. Anti-Venom going toe to toe with Gargan Venom suggest that he's above his 15 to 25 ton past in my opinion.

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#13 Posted by aldoquintana (1 posts) - - Show Bio

This is my choice for strongest symbiote

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#14 Posted by Bigbadwolfx0 (352 posts) - - Show Bio

I would say toxin then venom and carnage

Toxin took out venom and carnage pretty much at once

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