Before McDuffie died, he and some other comic creators came together to discuss at length, candidly about minorities, and their roles in comics as creators and as well as characters.

I don't think he was wrong. 
 
Likewise I feel like no one would be uncomfortable with the majority of things that readerships are uncomfortable with if it were a Caucasian writer, IMO.

They did? I think I should get a hold of that comic.@iLLituracy said:

" I don't think he was wrong.  Likewise I feel like no one would be uncomfortable with the majority of things that readerships are uncomfortable with if it were a Caucasian writer, IMO. "  

" I thought the Mighty Avengers vol.3 addressed this issue. "   They did? I think I should get a hold of that comic...

" @Osiris1428: For example if it were a white writer who was writing Black Panther getting the drop on Thor it wouldn't have been an issue.  
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" @iLLituracy said:

" @Osiris1428: For example if it were a white writer who was writing Black Panther getting the drop on Thor it wouldn't have been an issue.  
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It would have. It's equally retarded no matter who writes it.  "

McDuffie was wrong. 

The problem with McDuffie was that he was too vocal with his personal views for decades which many grew tired of  and he readily was the problem when it came to racial views to the point that he explicitly used black characters in  his stories and  his own created Milestone universe... 
 
he moans about racism/stereotypes but he was also consciously responsible for going the same route regardless of his intend. 

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you cant cry racism or stereotyping done by white writers that are writing a black character or not creating more of them and turn around and go the extreme end . 
than create lots of black characters which are just as stereotyped if not worse but written by  a black writer. (anyone remember blood syndicate?)
 

there is nothing wrong with writing a black character and trying to get him or her away from minor racial accidental overtones but it also shouldnt be forced and should fit continuity of the character history.
 Mcduffie referenced Bats, DD shenanigans to point out how it is acceptable for one hero and not acceptable for another, the problem is that any competent readers knows when to call BS on such instances and readily do. Hence, why we have the term PIS and the Batkick regardless of the character's race/ethnicity/nationality.  
 
if MCDuffie didnt want to get called out on his racially bias attitude and writing than he should have bn a lot more diverse in his character creations and projects rather than focus on one particular racial group.

McDuffie was wrong.

my bad on the wildstorm confusion.
 
if  you look at the definition of racism you can see exactly how Mcduffie fell in more than one of it's definitions of what it is. 
 
i dont care if he wanted to focus more on a particular race character the actual conscious intent to give more face time and particular stories for the sole reason of the character race falls wholeheartedly into it.
 
aside from tha Blood syndicate was just as horribly stereotyping a particular group of ppl especially when he was one of the most vocal people about arguing agianst stereotype of a particular group.
It's like calling the kettle black.

" @iLLituracy said:

 
@Green Skin: He's not talking about comic readers as a whole. "

I must have been confused by the term "The readership", which to me does refer to comic readers as a whole. "

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The funny thing a lot of people  turn and point at Luke Cage as a racial gag/token black guy due to his clothing and mannerisms, Blaxploitation.
which of course he was and ppl who fought against it like McDuffie pointed it out to anyone who would listen to him for good reason and yet this same man makes the same exact characters he argued against from other companies only for him to do the same exact thing in his own milestone universe....(SMH).
 
Buckwild, i mean really?
Rocket a black teenage girl who got pregnant? 
 
i guess blaxploitation is only okay if it is a black man exploiting his own race in mid 90's but not okay if it is a 70's created character created by white guys..

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What is he suppose to be wrong about? His experiences in the industry?

 I think that people do play favorites in a way they might not be aware of. I see a lot of disdain toward Priest's run of BP a certain "arm-bar incident", as it were. But it does seem to be a none issue (for some) when someone like Daredevil a way to beat someone like The Absorbing Man. It's is funny to see that when some call out racism, those that say that they are against it, act as if they are being attacked and then go on the defense. And those who do call out racism, are shown to be oblivious to the fact that leading by example converts more so than flying in the face of supposed bigotry and hypersensitivity. Some times I think we forget what racism, or should I say (and what we often what many really mean when we say the word "racism"),    all bigotry is.      We all have preconceived notions of ethnicity, gender rolls, ideas of sexual preference of individuals and how those of varying preference often, do and or should be portrayed in the media.  
Blame TV! 
  We often get are preconceived notions from places we seek escapism from. How many of us grew up watching television thinking that the good guy will always get the girl? That the bullies and bad guys always lose. If you have a good and kind heart and stay true to yourself, things well all work out in the end. How old were you when you found out all that was a bunch of dung?? These ideas can easily infiltrate the way that we think in so many facets of life, and we completely underestimate that fact. 
 
"Racism deniers always have the same argument: They deny racism as a motivating factor because they fail to acknowledge how it can inform their choices subconsciously or unconsciously.  They believe that racism is always a conscious act. And they must believe that because it is the only way they can be absolved of the majority of their crimes, the ones committed subtly, surreptitiously, by matter of course and white privilege.  Racism, they say, is lynching, the Ku Klux Klan, and using the "n-word," but it is not avoiding black people on the street, grabbing one's purse when a black man walks into an elevator, throwing away resumes with ethnic-sounding names, or trafficking in stereotypes deemed harmless or humorous in "post-racial" America.  The narrower they can define the term, the more they are permitted to partake without being labeled.  It is a passive form of racism, but it is still racism." -Son of Baldwin 
    And this link (as soon as I figure how this works) has to do with female characters in games. It applies comics and other ethnicities as well IMHO
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" @GalactaSurfer said:

" What is he suppose to be wrong about? His experiences in the industry? "

Apparently that all white comic readers are biased against black characters. Which frankly, is a bit racist on his part. "

Hey McDuffie was a highly respected professional in the industry and I value his opinion on industry related issues over the narrow perceptions of individuals posting on forums from their mom's basements.

"  @GalactaSurfer said:

" @Green Skin said:

" @GalactaSurfer said:

" What is he suppose to be wrong about? His experiences in the industry? "

Apparently that all white comic readers are biased against black characters. Which frankly, is a bit racist on his part. "

You have a very loose definition of racist. What McDuffie said in the interview was based on his experiences in the industry. Saying that there are biased white readers is not racist its actually stating a fact. McDuffie quoted several things that has been written on the internet so its not as if hes making that stuff up. "

Yes, in my view, if you reference the entire white readership as having a problem with too many black characters then you're being a bit racist in my view.  I understand he's basing his response on his experiences, but what else do you call having a preconception of an entire race based on experience with a few.  If a security guard caught a few black people shoplifting, and then said "all black people steal", then he is clearly being racist.  It's no different here.  He refers to white readership in general, not a few, but the entire white readership. I'm not trying to say the guy is some big hate monger or anything, just that his response is a bit racist. "

 

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I don't think you know what you're talking about. The characters you named were primarily parodies. Buckwild was a parody of blaxploitation and Luke Cage. He wasn't endorsing any of that.  As far as bias, I don't see how he's biased for making a bunch of characters that were black. That's like saying Stan Lee is racist because most of the characters he created were primarily white. Milestone was created to better represents Minorities, primarily African-Americans and in turn it produced characters that a young African-American man can identify with. Are there some of those characters in mainstream comics? Yes. Does that mean McDuffie was bias toward African-Americans? I don't think so in the least. That's like saying ANY character that was created on that basis--on the basis of making them a certain ethnicity to relate or represent a ethnicity of your readers while sharing that ethnicity is automatically bias, which is ridiculous. "

About the whole Daredevil or black panther getting the drop on thor that would never happen unless the writter was an idiot like that guy who let panther get the surfer in a half nelson that was f^^kin ridiculous no matter what color panther is

" About the whole Daredevil or black panther getting the drop on thor that would never happen unless the writter was an idiot like that guy who let panther get the surfer in a half nelson that was f^^kin ridiculous no matter what color panther is "

" @Green Skin said:

"  @GalactaSurfer said:

" @Green Skin said:

" @GalactaSurfer said:

" What is he suppose to be wrong about? His experiences in the industry? "

Apparently that all white comic readers are biased against black characters. Which frankly, is a bit racist on his part. "

You have a very loose definition of racist. What McDuffie said in the interview was based on his experiences in the industry. Saying that there are biased white readers is not racist its actually stating a fact. McDuffie quoted several things that has been written on the internet so its not as if hes making that stuff up. "

Yes, in my view, if you reference the entire white readership as having a problem with too many black characters then you're being a bit racist in my view.  I understand he's basing his response on his experiences, but what else do you call having a preconception of an entire race based on experience with a few.  If a security guard caught a few black people shoplifting, and then said "all black people steal", then he is clearly being racist.  It's no different here.  He refers to white readership in general, not a few, but the entire white readership. I'm not trying to say the guy is some big hate monger or anything, just that his response is a bit racist. "

Did you even listen to what he was saying or did you just go in trying to be offended? "

the internet is full of haters some happen to be hidden racist, ppl should realize this when they read certain post.
personally look at the argument and see if it has any weight before giving it any validity.

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I don't think you know what you're talking about. The characters you named were primarily parodies. Buckwild was a parody of blaxploitation and Luke Cage. He wasn't endorsing any of that.  As far as bias, I don't see how he's biased for making a bunch of characters that were black. That's like saying Stan Lee is racist because most of the characters he created were primarily white. Milestone was created to better represents Minorities, primarily African-Americans and in turn it produced characters that a young African-American man can identify with. Are there some of those characters in mainstream comics? Yes. Does that mean McDuffie was bias toward African-Americans? I don't think so in the least. That's like saying ANY character that was created on that basis--on the basis of making them a certain ethnicity to relate or represent a ethnicity of your readers while sharing that ethnicity is automatically bias, which is ridiculous. "

i think you failed to notice the all black congregation, the mannerisms and the speech pattern of the preacher.
 
one of the definitions to racism is bias or preferential treatment of one another based on race another is stereotypical/cultural  behavior based on nothing but race.
 
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism  i dont give two cents about McDuffie's views but one should recognize that he fell victim to his own stereotypical  views that he blamed others for doing.  you dont fight stereotypes and racist undertones by doing the same exact thing but only difference being is done by a black writer. "

i agree that there is stereotypes in comics  all around the point is i am not the one who cries about  it and than turns around doing it myself.
 
just like there are many ppl who fit a stereotype there are just as many who do not.

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" @Green Skin said:

"  @GalactaSurfer said:

" @Green Skin said:

" @GalactaSurfer said:

" What is he suppose to be wrong about? His experiences in the industry? "

Apparently that all white comic readers are biased against black characters. Which frankly, is a bit racist on his part. "

You have a very loose definition of racist. What McDuffie said in the interview was based on his experiences in the industry. Saying that there are biased white readers is not racist its actually stating a fact. McDuffie quoted several things that has been written on the internet so its not as if hes making that stuff up. "

Yes, in my view, if you reference the entire white readership as having a problem with too many black characters then you're being a bit racist in my view.  I understand he's basing his response on his experiences, but what else do you call having a preconception of an entire race based on experience with a few.  If a security guard caught a few black people shoplifting, and then said "all black people steal", then he is clearly being racist.  It's no different here.  He refers to white readership in general, not a few, but the entire white readership. I'm not trying to say the guy is some big hate monger or anything, just that his response is a bit racist. "

Did you even listen to what he was saying or did you just go in trying to be offended? "

This is what I feel like is happening with a lot of people who hear the argument that McDuffie is making. It seem like some people are more offended that someone is pointing out that some readers feel the way they do then what those readers are actually saying. "

I think it's more people being offended with getting lumped into the same group as people that feel that way. "

As far as the point of the thread goes honestly I find what race a character is to be the least important part of the character and the only way to really get rid of racism is for the whole world to admit how little race really means its an illogical distinction based on a vastly outdated concepts that were idiotic when they were conceived all races of people have some good people and some bad people and some indifferent people and treating trivial matters such as skin tone or which invisible person they worship as anything more than minor differences only makes the problem worse

" i agree that there is stereotypes in comics  all around the point is i am not the one who cries about  it and than turns around doing it myself.  just like there are many ppl who fit a stereotype there are just as many who do not. "

" @Vance Astro said:

" @Green Skin said:

Of coarse I listened to what he was saying, and for the record I'm not offended.  Everyone keeps saying that he's only talking about a specific group, but the only specific group I heard him mention was white readers.  The guy was a talented writer, but he was being a bit racist there. "

He WAS talking about a specific group OF white readers...not just white readers in general.You can't tell him he's lying about his OWN experiences and it's not racist if it's true. "

Then tell me when he specifies that he's talking about a specific group of white readers.  Like I said, I only ever heard him reference "the white readership".  I'm not questioning his experiences with racist readers, it's the fact that when he is talking about his experiences he references "The white readership" as the ones with the issue.   It doesn't matter what he is basing it on, as soon as you generalize a whole race based on a small number of them then it's racist.   This is a pretty simple argument to solve.  Either you can point me to the part in the video where he specifies that he's talking about a specific group of white readers, or you can't.  It's really that simple. "

" @Dark King said:

" i agree that there is stereotypes in comics  all around the point is i am not the one who cries about  it and than turns around doing it myself.  just like there are many ppl who fit a stereotype there are just as many who do not. "

It's become clear you don't know what you're talking about. No offense.
 
You're talking about stereotypes in comics. McDuffie is talking about what racist readers. What does one have to do with the other?