If Doc Ock became a moral person...

#1 Posted by joshmightbe (24885 posts) - - Show Bio

Then why isn't he admitting what he did to the real Spiderman?

#2 Posted by VeganDiet (1068 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: Because even with his new morals he's still ultimately a selfish person.

#3 Posted by joshmightbe (24885 posts) - - Show Bio

@VeganDiet: So basically Superior means Hypocrite

#4 Posted by Moonchilde (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

The fact that he calls himself "superior" pretty much illustrates that he's still an egotistical d-bag.

#5 Posted by Glitch_Spawn (17132 posts) - - Show Bio

@Moonchilde said:

The fact that he calls himself "superior" pretty much illustrates that he's still an egotistical d-bag.

Well put

#6 Posted by The Stegman (24407 posts) - - Show Bio
@Moonchilde said:

The fact that he calls himself "superior" pretty much illustrates that he's still an egotistical d-bag.

B I N G O, B I N G O, B I N G O, and Superior D-Bag is his name-o
#7 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1672 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: Cause it's a stupid story, written in a stupid way.

#8 Posted by D3athstroke (3917 posts) - - Show Bio

He is not admitting ? what ?

#9 Posted by joshmightbe (24885 posts) - - Show Bio

@D3athstroke: He killed Peter Parker and took over his body, if he had truly become a good person from the experience then he would take responsibility for his actions and fess up.

#10 Posted by dondave (37445 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: I think because he thinks, he'll do a better job than peter and he cant really do that if he fess's up

#11 Posted by MysteriousUsername (1210 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Ock is officially bananas at this point.

He's always been a little obsessed, but his latest plans have gone off the deep end. Be prepared for some crazy hallucinations.

Also he's not really moral, everything moral about him at this point is Peter's mind seeping through.

#12 Posted by D3athstroke (3917 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe said:

@D3athstroke: He killed Peter Parker and took over his body, if he had truly become a good person from the experience then he would take responsibility for his actions and fess up.

Responsibility ? you want him to kill himself or go to jail or what ?
Truly become a good person ? what does that even mean ? your image of good person is different from mine
#13 Posted by TheCannon (18732 posts) - - Show Bio

@Glitch_Spawn said:

@Moonchilde said:

The fact that he calls himself "superior" pretty much illustrates that he's still an egotistical d-bag.

Well put

This.

#14 Posted by joshmightbe (24885 posts) - - Show Bio

@D3athstroke: So you're image of a good person is perfectly fine with murdering a guy and assuming his identity?

#15 Posted by D3athstroke (3917 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe:  After he "killed" Spiderman who technically is not even dead, he vowed that he will be even better hero. Keep it in mind that he does not need to save anybody he is taking responsibility because he "Killed" Spiderman and now can you tell me what do you want from him to go to jail? kill himself ? you want him to become typical emo superhero who hates himself ? can you tell me what is the purpose of this thread ? 
#16 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13157 posts) - - Show Bio

@D3athstroke said:

@joshmightbe: After he "killed" Spiderman who technically is not even dead, he vowed that he will be even better hero. Keep it in mind that he does not need to save anybody he is taking responsibility because he "Killed" Spiderman and now can you tell me what do you want from him to go to jail? kill himself ? you want him to become typical emo superhero who hates himself ? can you tell me what is the purpose of this thread ?

admitting what he did would be taking responsibility. If you cant see that then you don't know what the true meaning of the phrase is.

#17 Posted by SC (13110 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-man is his Uncle Ben. Did Peter ever turn himself in even though he basically killed Uncle Ben? No! Spider-man has always been a hypocrite, this actually fits in well with continuity. Just like after Uncle Ben died by Peters actions Peter became better now so will the spider web spin as Peter died by Ocks actions will now become superior. In a few years Rhino will kill Dr Ock though and become the new Horny Spider-man. Uhm.

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#18 Posted by TDK_1997 (14896 posts) - - Show Bio

@Moonchilde said:

The fact that he calls himself "superior" pretty much illustrates that he's still an egotistical d-bag.

#19 Posted by Onemoreposter (4052 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

Then why isn't he admitting what he did to the real Spiderman?

The obvious answer? Pete made Ock promise in ASM 700 that he would carry on the Spider-Man legacy and keep "their" loved one's safe. Ock can't very well fulfill his promise if he's locked away for killing...himself. It's also implied that Ock's personality isn't strictly Ock's personality, but rather a Pete/Otto mix as they both refer to themselves as "we" in those last few panel's of the issues main story and we see that Otto now not only has Pete's memories on an intellectual level, but an emotional one as well.

I never took any of these recent events to mean that Doc Ock is now a "moral person" per say. He simply now understands the principle of responsibility in proportion to ability and the value of human life as Pete understood it.

@SC said:

Spider-man is his Uncle Ben. Did Peter ever turn himself in even though he basically killed Uncle Ben? No! Spider-man has always been a hypocrite, this actually fits in well with continuity. Just like after Uncle Ben died by Peters actions Peter became better now so will the spider web spin as Peter died by Ocks actions will now become superior. In a few years Rhino will kill Dr Ock though and become the new Horny Spider-man. Uhm.

Pete allowed a criminal to escape from a crime scene who would later kill his uncle. That is a LONNNNGGGGGGG way away from Pete himself "basically [killing] Uncle Ben." I'd say Uncle Ben is pretty much Ock's Uncle Ben at this point.

#20 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18055 posts) - - Show Bio

@SC said:

Spider-man is his Uncle Ben. Did Peter ever turn himself in even though he basically killed Uncle Ben? No! Spider-man has always been a hypocrite, this actually fits in well with continuity. Just like after Uncle Ben died by Peters actions Peter became better now so will the spider web spin as Peter died by Ocks actions will now become superior. In a few years Rhino will kill Dr Ock though and become the new Horny Spider-man. Uhm.

I dont think that's true. Ock planned this so he could live on and cheat death.

I dont really like the entire idea,Ock is my fave spidey villain,eh I guess we will see where this goes.

#21 Posted by SC (13110 posts) - - Show Bio

@Onemoreposter: @mrdecepticonleader: Oh my bad, I was being more factitious with a sarcastic twist than anything else. Though I think it would be a pretty clever twist if the guilt Doc Ock developed over this suddenly drove him onwards to being a sincerely great human and hero as much as Peter was. I love redemption in comics. Thats probably best as a What If storyline though than the main story plot.

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#22 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18055 posts) - - Show Bio

@SC said:

@Onemoreposter: @mrdecepticonleader: Oh my bad, I was being more factitious with a sarcastic twist than anything else. Though I think it would be a pretty clever twist if the guilt Doc Ock developed over this suddenly drove him onwards to being a sincerely great human and hero as much as Peter was. I love redemption in comics. Thats probably best as a What If storyline though than the main story plot.

I kind of thought you where.

I would just like him back the way he was,he is a great villain and they could do more to help that.I just have got the feeling Pete will not stay dead as well.

#23 Posted by Dracade102 (8167 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought he just wanted to out-do Peter Parker in the one thing he was best at, but on his own terms (more or less). Plus, with Peter Parker's legacy living on through him it'd ruin his chance to redeem himself if he admitted to the world he was the same old Doctor Octopus in Spidey's body.

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