9 Doctor Octopus fights that are not with Spider Man

Posted by MTHarman (725 posts) - - Show Bio

Somebody on here once said that I never ventured within the Battle forums, which of course I've been stalking that certain part Comicvine to cure a certain curious thought of a certain fight. But after reading Doctor Octopus's bio within a few Marvel encyclopedia's, I was baffled as to how they neglected to mention quite a batch of Doc Ock fights that had me interested as to how it went and if Doc Ock managed to gain any victory. Well, I was more baffled how Marvel tends to isolate Doc Ock into the Spiderman series and steer away from his attempt on trying his luck against any other hero, maybe after reading this blog you'll find out why.

Dr Octopus Vs Daredevil

From Daredevil #165

Tale of the fight begins with a former Daredevil girlfriend, Heather Glenn, being kidnapped by Doctor Octopus after discovering the good Doctor was secretly doing business with Glenn Industries. With the situation resulting with Daredevil coming to the rescue, Doctor Octopus finally gained his chance to go toe-to-toe against the Guardian of Hell’s Kitchen. Even though both Daredevil and Doc Ock gave a decent fight, it was practically Daredevil who was having the upper hand because of his super senses, as you can see below. Eventually the fight came to an end with Doc Ock accidentally smashing an electrical box with his arms that resulted with the Doc getting shocked and begging for mercy, which of course resulted with Doc Ock losing.

Let’s just say that both Daredevil and Doc Ock did give a decent fight that we usually get with most of the Spiderman fights, sadly this is one fight that many Marvel researchers easily overlooked when making any Doc Ock publication history.

Winner: Daredevil

Dr Octopus Vs Hulk

Round 1 from Spiderman #19 1992

Who would think that a fight between Doctor Octopus and somebody like the Hulk would result with the good Doc having an OWNED moment? Something that has baffled any sane reader who’ve managed to read this one issue when seeing Doc Ock practically taking down the Hulk less than two pages. Tale of fight is simple, trying to gather his old Sinister Six buddies once more, Doc Ock decided to do this with intimidation and a fancy new set of Octo Arms. And he did this by throwing poor Spiderman fifty something feet away from the scene and completely beating the holy hell out Marvel’s most powerful hero without having single chance to throw any type of punch. Kinda had any stereotype 90's villain baffled on who wouldn’t wanna join a guy that could easily take down the Hulk?

Round 2 from Incredible Hulk vol 2 #396

Well after seeing Hulk lose in what was probably the sorriest fight in comic history in Round 1, Hulk finally got his rematch and regained some dignity when the good Doctor decided to hit the Vegas strip and ended up causing trouble in the same casino where the Hulk was acting as an Enforcer for the Casino. This fight utterly ended the most hilarious way imaginable when Hulk easily defeated Doc Ock with a single finger. A hilarious and well fitted ending for a Hulk fight.

Winner of Round 1: Doctor Octopus, Winner of Round 2: Hulk

Dr Octopus Vs Captain America

From Captain America #259

Sorry for the lack of pics with this fight, but as anybody probably guessed, it wasn’t a highlighted fight that didn’t quite end well for the Doc.

Tale of the fight began with the Good Doctor trying to get Captain America’s shield so that he could analyze the metal and use this info to create new and improve arms. But of course this bargain issue ended with Captain America quickly putting down Doc Ock seeing how he showed the Spidey villain he had better things to do than to deal with a misplaced villain.

Winner: Captain America

Dr Octopus Vs Iron Man

From Marvel Fanfare issues 22-23

Well, I’ll be as direct and honest as I can be with the two battles that both Doctor Octopus and Ironman shared throughout Marvel history. First fight began with Ironman crossing paths with Doc Ock the first time after the good Doc caused a pair of admantium tentacles to break him out of prison, which of course caused the attention of the armored avenger. After a brief tango with the mechanical arms and a handful of other villains, Ironman found his suit ripped to shreds by Doctor Octopus. With Doc Ock having a win over Ironman, the second round came quite surprising when we see our beloved hero gain the victory over.

Dr Octopus with a pair of admantium arms of his own, being the first and probably the last time we see a Doc Ock Iron Man.

As for round 2 during the event known as Fear Itself? This is where I become as direct as I possibly can when saying that I could give a crap how this fight went seeing how Marvel stopped using the most basic form of logic after Siege.

Winner: Iron Man with a pair of Octo Arms of his own

Dr Octopus Vs Mister Fantastic

From Fantastic Four #276

This has got to be one of the most pathetic moments Dr Octopus could ever go through in Marvel history. The fight starts developing when Reed Richards is in dire need for somebody who has experience within the fields of radiology and it just so happens to be that Dr Octopus is that lucky man. Visiting the small and frail looking Doc who looks like he would easily faint from a sudden “BOO”, Reed pulls a little psychological heart to heart to get the good Doc to agree on helping Reed with his personal problem. But by the time Doc Ock saw Spiderman’s shiny mug on a billboard, flashbacks kicked in and our beloved Doctor was back in action.

Let’s just say that this fight proved to be that Doctor Octopus isn’t much of a challenge for Mister Fantastic seeing how he quickly stopped the good Doc by simply turning off his arms.

Winner: Mister Fantastic

Dr Octopus Vs Dazzler and Angel

From Dazzler #17

Ever seen one of those moments where some random guy feels the need to ruin a perfect date? Well that’s what happened with Doctor Octopus when deciding to go against Dazzler and Angel. Let’s just say that the whole moment was all about Dazzler and Angel being difficult lovebirds and much like any sane reader, some readers actually agreed with the good Doc when he quickly grew annoyed by the two and did something right for a change by trying to ruin the misplaced moment. But sadly, Doc Ock never had a chance seeing how he was just thrown into the storyline by the writer as an attempt to add something that was known as excitement, Excitement that quickly lasted with Doc Ock being defeated by a superhero who was a decade late.

Winner: Dazzler and Angel

Doctor Octopus vs Punisher

From Amazing Spider-Man Annual #15

Despite what Punisher fans would say about Marvel’s favorite vigilante offing the good Doc in one second, it took two fights in one issue between the Punisher and Doctor Octopus to convince me that Doctor Octopus completely owned the Punisher.

First encounter took place in a morgue where it wasn’t actually a fight, more like Doctor Octopus getting the drop on the Punisher by knocking out the poor vigilante. The second fight kinda reversed itself when seeing how the Punisher had the drop on Doctor Octopus this time, only to find himself getting owned by the good Doc and forcing him to swallow a mouthful of deadly poison that almost killed the vigilante if not for Spiderman saving the day.

Winner: Doctor Octopus

Dr Octopus Vs Superman

From The Amazing Spiderman Vs Superman

Seeing how Doctor Octopus can’t tell the difference between both Superman and Spiderman, I had to add this one into the batch of Octo fights. Even though Doc Ock tag-teamed alongside with Lex Luthor as both villains were bent on ruling the world, Doc Ock managed to get his chance to go against Superman when having the Man of Steel tossed around before the hero literally smashed the holy hell out of the good Doc. Hardly a fair fight that predictably ended with Doc Ock suffering more brain damage and a smashed pair of glasses, but maybe he this time he can now tell the difference between Superman and Spiderman.

Winner: Superman

If you know of any more Doc Ock fights that wasn't against Spiderman nor any of his close allies, please feel free to share so that I could add that certain moment into my Doc Ock collection. BUT, I could care less on who Doc Ock fights after the Heroic Age took place. I also do plan on discovering other villains fights that wasn't against a primary hero.

Thank you for reading.

#1 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17271 posts) - - Show Bio

i think you'll agree that hulk getting defeated by doc ock is just bad writing

#2 Posted by htb106 (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

I like it when villians that usually just fight one hero takes on different characters.

#3 Posted by MTHarman (725 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull said:

i think you'll agree that hulk getting defeated by doc ock is just bad writing

**ahem** Any sane comic fan would clearly tell that was bad writing,..but for some reason I still find it comical when seeing Hulk being OWNED by Dr Octopus.

#4 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17271 posts) - - Show Bio

@MTHarman: of course it's comical but when i read the comic tore it to pieces from rage that the The Damn Hulk was helpless, while in round 2 joe fixit beat ock easily even though he is weaker than the original hulk

#5 Posted by MTHarman (725 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah,...the feeling would probably be normal,...guess it's Marvels oblivious way of showing how powerful Doc Ock is with his new admantium arms by having beat Hulk senseless. A poor attempt to draw in more fans with another Sinister Six storyline.

#6 Posted by kid Apollo (709 posts) - - Show Bio

i bet that finger from Joe Fixit didnt help his brain damage at all

#7 Posted by TheCannon (17900 posts) - - Show Bio

I remember reading the Daredevil one. It was good.

#8 Posted by Bones309 (806 posts) - - Show Bio

@mtharman said:

@TheAcidSkull said:

i think you'll agree that hulk getting defeated by doc ock is just bad writing

**ahem** Any sane comic fan would clearly tell that was bad writing,..but for some reason I still find it comical when seeing Hulk being OWNED by Dr Octopus.

How is it bad writing? Ock had adamantium arms and used them to lift the Hulk into the air. Even the Hulk can't break adamantium without some serious PIS and when being held in the air like that he had no leverage. The strength of those new arms was not defined. So lets add it up….the Hulk was being held helplessly in the air by restraints he could not break and was beaten in the head with adamantium with an unknown amount of force. It was actually clever writing in the fact that really the Hulk would be helpless if held in the air like that. He was a much more deadly and smarter version of the Hulk foe Constrictor in some ways.

#9 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17271 posts) - - Show Bio

@bones309 said:

@mtharman said:

@TheAcidSkull said:

i think you'll agree that hulk getting defeated by doc ock is just bad writing

**ahem** Any sane comic fan would clearly tell that was bad writing,..but for some reason I still find it comical when seeing Hulk being OWNED by Dr Octopus.

How is it bad writing? Ock had adamantium arms and used them to lift the Hulk into the air. Even the Hulk can't break adamantium without some serious PIS and when being held in the air like that he had no leverage. The strength of those new arms was not defined. So lets add it up….the Hulk was being held helplessly in the air by restraints he could not break and was beaten in the head with adamantium with an unknown amount of force. It was actually clever writing in the fact that really the Hulk would be helpless if held in the air like that. He was a much more deadly and smarter version of the Hulk foe Constrictor in some ways.

hulk didn't need to break adamantium, but the fact that dock ock was able to overpower hulk is seriously stupid because he has never been able to overpower someone as strong as him. Hulk is never helpless, he could have still used his arms for a thunderclap attack or something like that. Dock ock can't keep hulk in one place because he's arms aren't strong enough, they may be durable but hulk can still overcome it. He has taken far worse and has still stayed conscious so him getting swatted like a fly wasn't only just bad writing, it was complete disrespect to hulks character and power set. Fans can justify this but it won't help because hulk has overcome far worse than anything dock ock can hope to produce. Hulk has held mountains, resisted enough force to move a planet out of orbit , has broken the time barrier twice, and the list goes on, but WHAT KO's him is a few slaps in the face? Really? Like is said, it's not just Pis, it's just stupid.

Dock ock is simply inferior to someone like the Hulk, end of story.

#10 Edited by Bones309 (806 posts) - - Show Bio

@bones309 said:

@mtharman said:

@TheAcidSkull said:

i think you'll agree that hulk getting defeated by doc ock is just bad writing

**ahem** Any sane comic fan would clearly tell that was bad writing,..but for some reason I still find it comical when seeing Hulk being OWNED by Dr Octopus.

How is it bad writing? Ock had adamantium arms and used them to lift the Hulk into the air. Even the Hulk can't break adamantium without some serious PIS and when being held in the air like that he had no leverage. The strength of those new arms was not defined. So lets add it up….the Hulk was being held helplessly in the air by restraints he could not break and was beaten in the head with adamantium with an unknown amount of force. It was actually clever writing in the fact that really the Hulk would be helpless if held in the air like that. He was a much more deadly and smarter version of the Hulk foe Constrictor in some ways.

hulk didn't need to break adamantium, but the fact that dock ock was able to overpower hulk is seriously stupid because he has never been able to overpower someone as strong as him. Hulk is never helpless, he could have still used his arms for a thunderclap attack or something like that. Dock ock can't keep hulk in one place because he's arms aren't strong enough, they may be durable but hulk can still overcome it. He has taken far worse and has still stayed conscious so him getting swatted like a fly wasn't only just bad writing, it was complete disrespect to hulks character and power set. Fans can justify this but it won't help because hulk has overcome far worse than anything dock ock can hope to produce. Hulk has held mountains, resisted enough force to move a planet out of orbit , has broken the time barrier twice, and the list goes on, but WHAT KO's him is a few slaps in the face? Really? Like is said, it's not just Pis, it's just stupid.

Dock ock is simply inferior to someone like the Hulk, end of story.

He was never able to with his normal arms…these arms had no define strength and a nearly limitless power supply. His arms were restrained, he couldn't clap. So the Hulk's never been KO'ed by being beaten in the head? We have no clue what the strength of those arms were. They also likely had locking pins that pretty much meant the Hulk would need to break adamantium to get feel.

You simply don't like the Hulk losing to a Spider-man foe despite the fact that he clearly had a major power up in that issue. The Hulk has his limitations, he can't fly and has very limited distance attack options…being held by adamantium and repeated beaten in the head like that by them is hard PIS that it'd KO him. If an adamantium robot beat him into a KO quickly I doubt people would say anything….but since it's Ock it has to be PIS???

#11 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17271 posts) - - Show Bio

@bones309: I have nor problem to Hulk loosing, he's a comic book character, they all loose at one point or another, but Hulk has beaten stronger people then Ock, and thous arms usually have trouble facing spider-man, who is much weaker than the Hulk. also..Limitless power supply? Where did this come from? Can ock hold up a building with his arms? Or a mountain? because otherwise he wouldn't be able to accomplish this. Hulk Couldn't break the arms themselves but he sure as hell could have overpowered them, he has done so before when it comes to adamantium, read future imperfect where hulk faces dogs of war which can break adamantium in 7 seconds with their jaws. I'm not judging because it's ock, if he had won through more reasonable means I would have no problems with it. Hulk is pretty strong so he could just as easily have flexed his way out of this. Ock has demonstrated no strength that would even remotely indicate that he could beat someone like the hulk through sheer brute force, so you can't make up false context around how much power the arms had, unlike the Hulk who has been stated to have potentially limitless power when angry, but even at a base hulk would still win, ock has shown nor done nothing that would suggest he could have accomplished such a feat. This whole fight only ended with hulks lose because the writer needed to make ock look good in the eyes of the sinister six, hence why he managed to beat hulk. and If an adamantium robot beat hulk people would question it depending on the context, power and abilities of that robot.

#12 Posted by Bones309 (806 posts) - - Show Bio

@bones309: I have nor problem to Hulk loosing, he's a comic book character, they all loose at one point or another, but Hulk has beaten stronger people then Ock, and thous arms usually have trouble facing spider-man, who is much weaker than the Hulk. also..Limitless power supply? Where did this come from? Can ock hold up a building with his arms? Or a mountain? because otherwise he wouldn't be able to accomplish this. Hulk Couldn't break the arms themselves but he sure as hell could have overpowered them, he has done so before when it comes to adamantium, read future imperfect where hulk faces dogs of war which can break adamantium in 7 seconds with their jaws. I'm not judging because it's ock, if he had won through more reasonable means I would have no problems with it. Hulk is pretty strong so he could just as easily have flexed his way out of this. Ock has demonstrated no strength that would even remotely indicate that he could beat someone like the hulk through sheer brute force, so you can't make up false context around how much power the arms had, unlike the Hulk who has been stated to have potentially limitless power when angry, but even at a base hulk would still win, ock has shown nor done nothing that would suggest he could have accomplished such a feat. This whole fight only ended with hulks lose because the writer needed to make ock look good in the eyes of the sinister six, hence why he managed to beat hulk. and If an adamantium robot beat hulk people would question it depending on the context, power and abilities of that robot.

Problem is those were new adamantium arms…all of Ock's other feats were with different arms. Really, having having him beat the Hulk like was likely done to show how much stronger his new arms were. Having trouble with Spider-man and having trouble with the Hulk are two very different things. With Spidey, the adamantium didn't make much difference, since he tended to use his speed, agility, and spider sense to get close enough to KO Ock. The Hulk doesn't have those skills. Could four adamantium pole hold up a building? or even a mountain? I'd say yes and no, the weight shouldn't be a problem but in reality the mountain and building would fall apart. Really the Hulk lifting a mountain is a bit of a misconception. At least the Secret Wars feat. He admits he's only bracing it and doesn't know for how long.

#13 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17271 posts) - - Show Bio

@bones309: He has surpassed that feat later on in his career as the strongest one there is, also, take into account that this was one of hulks weaker days because there was a certain limit to how angry the Hulk could get. And no, it doesn't make much of a difference when Hulk has fought powerhouses of the highest caliber who have massive power and durability. having adamantium arms is frankly not nearly enough to Ko the Hulk, you need great striking force as well, which. Hulk has taken Mjolnirs blows in the face, but what knocks him out is Ocks adamantium slaps? yes, i'm sure it's PIS.

#14 Posted by Bones309 (806 posts) - - Show Bio

@bones309: He has surpassed that feat later on in his career as the strongest one there is, also, take into account that this was one of hulks weaker days because there was a certain limit to how angry the Hulk could get. And no, it doesn't make much of a difference when Hulk has fought powerhouses of the highest caliber who have massive power and durability. having adamantium arms is frankly not nearly enough to Ko the Hulk, you need great striking force as well, which. Hulk has taken Mjolnirs blows in the face, but what knocks him out is Ocks adamantium slaps? yes, i'm sure it's PIS.

Well, again we don't know the strength of those arms. So you can't really say they don't have the striking force. Ock had been using advance tech from another detention or something to up grade and their weapons. He said his power supply was virtually limitless. Also he didn't give the Hulk any time to recover, he just repeatedly pounded him in the head. I don't think the Hulk could take repeated blows to the head from Mjolnir like that either.

#15 Edited by TheAcidSkull (17271 posts) - - Show Bio

@bones309: What about his healing factor? As I said, a simple plot device allowed ock to accomplish this. and OCK has never demonstrated such power, even if he immobilized hulk, he should not have been able to knock him out, because of hulks durability, resistance and healing factor. Like I said, these contradict valid feats, THAT's why it's PIS.

#16 Posted by mike01 (98 posts) - - Show Bio

I love this back and forth. You all make great points. First 4 adamantium poles should be able to hold something as strong as a mountain and should be able to deal a ton of damage depending on the force they can apply. Doc ocks arms can move at speeds of 90 feet per second. That's only 61 miles per hour. That's not much to hurt the hulk. He would not have to break them just wiggle out. HULK has been caught off guard and KOd many times...just no one wants to stick around when he wakes up. Still, the scene was a little ridiculous

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