@vitacura said:
@nathaniel_christopher: @acolombia: That's my point. It's canon that Kori and Jason have lied before, therefore they are unreliable sources. It doesn't matter if she thinks they spent time together, she doesn't remember, then she doesn't know.
I'm not sure where are you getting that they were ever in love, I remember an issue where Nightwing was thinking about the people he loves, he thinks of Raya and Barbara, not Kori, and he doesn't have a selective memory but he doesn't think about her and she really doesn't remember him. The memories can't be good if she decided forget it and he never looked back.
And any "friendship" "camaraderie" whatever Roy and Dick had was so insignificant that Roy didn't think twice before having something with Starfire. Roy doesn't talk about Dick as a friend or as someone that had importance, most times he is dismissive of Dick. (Grayson, her ex). I don't keep in contact with every friend I ever had but when I see someone that knows them I ask about them, Roy doesn't do that, neither does Dick, so why would anyone believe they care.
I just don't see Dick being close to any outlaw, he knew them, he interacted with them but it seems like some trivial relationships.
That's a bit of a stretch, as Dick clearly thinks they spent time together, and Roy mentioned way back that they'd all worked together. (And Kori was shown having an actual memory of them spending time together, so the idea that's a lie is also a little ridiculous) It also wasn't Roy that said he and Dick were good friends, but Jason through what Dick himself had told him. So at the end of the day, Dick clearly thinks of himself and Roy has having been good friends at one point, but may no longer feel the same due to the actions Roy himself took. Doesn't then mean that he and Dick were never friends.
You haven't been reading RHATO, she does remember him to an extent, and has again said she has good memories of him. Her not perfectly remembering him however has been stated to be due to her species, as in the way they function so again doesn't prove that she has no good memories of him, and she has again stated and shown the opposite. Not sure where you're getting that they weren't in love. I don't remember any panel like that, but show it and by all means i'll take it into account. Regardless, the fact she doesn't remember her time with Dick perfectly, doesn't erase the fact that it happened.
Same answer I gave before, where Roy completely destroyed his life and the relationships he previously had. Him sleeping with Starfire isn't him sleeping with his friend's ex-girlfriend, but the ex-girlfriend of someone he's no longer friends with. Again, doesn't mean they're no longer friends. Means they aren't friends now. You keep confusing the two.
They're Outlaws now, but weren't when Dick worked with them. Calling them Outlaws when we're talking about the past implies they were the same people when they were hanging out with Dick that they are now. Because you can't see Dick being close to their current versions doesn't then mean that he wasn't close to their past versions. Just like the fact Bruce isn't currently close to Jason doesn't mean they weren't close in the past.
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