Was dick grayson robin in the new 52?

#1 Posted by Regas13 (181 posts) - - Show Bio

was dick grayson robin in the new 52? or don't we know yet? man i hope so:(

#2 Posted by SuperShafe (470 posts) - - Show Bio

HE was Robin and for a time Batman

#3 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

@Regas13 said:

was dick grayson robin in the new 52? or don't we know yet? man i hope so:(

Yeah, he's a former Robin. None of the Robins were touched continuity-wise, they were just kind of scrunched together time-wise cause all their drama has to have happened in 5 years.

The one big retcon re: Grayson is that he never led the Teen Titans. He had some teamups, but nothing officially as a team. Teen Titans was apparently a new concept when Drake put his team together in the new run of Teen Titans post-Flashpoint.

#4 Posted by JediXMan (30647 posts) - - Show Bio

For the most part, Batman's continuity hasn't been changed all that much. Same for Green Lantern.

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#5 Posted by cosmo111687 (1489 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg: But I thought that Starfire revealed that she did have memories of the Teen Titans, after-all. (I'm not sure, I haven't been reading it.)

#6 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmo111687 said:

@fodigg: But I thought that Starfire revealed that she did have memories of the Teen Titans, after-all. (I'm not sure, I haven't been reading it.)

Yeah there were some continuity goofs at launch but the word-of-didio was that the titans didn't exist prior to the current run. All that stuff is being treated as misc. teamups.

#7 Posted by SmoothJammin (2334 posts) - - Show Bio

C'mon, seriously? lmao. DC can tamper with alot of things but Dick Grayson's time as Robin is sacred.

#8 Posted by Daveyo520 (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, they even point it out in Batman #1 that he was.

#9 Posted by Regas13 (181 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin: @Daveyo520: but when was he?

#10 Posted by BlackArmor (6141 posts) - - Show Bio

@Regas13: 5 years ago

#11 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11626 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin said:

C'mon, seriously? lmao. DC can tamper with alot of things but Dick Grayson's time as Robin is sacred.

Preach it brotha

#12 Posted by TheMilkywayDude (105 posts) - - Show Bio

I see Justice League as being about 8-11 years ago and Bruce at least having Jason by the time of it. And then he must have existed another 6 years before to have Dick and be on his own for a couple of years. I would rather think of it in this way to put my mind at rest. Justice League being 8-11 years ago totally makes more sense than 5, I mean how is that even possible? I would just make your own timeline which makes sense for you rather than listen to DCs messed up timeline.

#13 Posted by John Valentine (16310 posts) - - Show Bio

It has to have happened within the last five years? Why?

#14 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine said:

It has to have happened within the last five years? Why?

I was actually wrong in saying that, because while Batman has only been operating in public for the last five years (Justice League), there's nothing to say he hasn't had a longer career before that in secret. However, we then get left with the impression that Grayson's entire time as Robin was secret and behind the scenes, which I suppose makes some amount of sense if he never publicly led a team of teenage superheroes.

#15 Posted by Regas13 (181 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackArmor: so your saying that in the past 5 years dick was robin, became nightwing, jason became robin, died, tim drake became robin, they met Damian, who after bruce died became robin and dick who with less than 5 years of training became batman?

#16 Posted by BlackArmor (6141 posts) - - Show Bio

@Regas13 said:

@BlackArmor: so your saying that in the past 5 years dick was robin, became nightwing, jason became robin, died, tim drake became robin, they met Damian, who after bruce died became robin and dick who with less than 5 years of training became batman?

....actually based on Dick's solo series that all happened in a little less than 5 years....

#17 Posted by Regas13 (181 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackArmor: thats super dumb

#18 Posted by SmoothJammin (2334 posts) - - Show Bio

Somewhere in a Kyle Kiggins interview, I believe for newsarama(or CBR) it is stated Dick started as robin at 16. How effed up is that

#19 Posted by luckydomino1 (491 posts) - - Show Bio

this is why reboots are bad

#20 Posted by batmanary (798 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure that Batman's existed for 10 years or longer. Dick would have been Robin during that whole time where he's considered a myth.

#21 Posted by BlackArmor (6141 posts) - - Show Bio

@batmanary said:

I'm pretty sure that Batman's existed for 10 years or longer. Dick would have been Robin during that whole time where he's considered a myth.

I heard the 10 year thing to, but Nightwing #3 reveals the Dick was still in the circus with his parents 5 or so years ago

#22 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1652 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, Dicks new timeline (Really the Bat family's in general) and the exclusion of the Teen Titans is one of The New 52's biggest mistakes in my opinion.

#23 Posted by SmoothJammin (2334 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:

Yeah, Dicks new timeline (Really the Bat family's in general) and the exclusion of the Teen Titans is one of The New 52's biggest mistakes in my opinion.

If you think about it, that whole first generation of sidekicks got the shaft. Wally, Roy, Donna, Beast-Boy, Raven..even Starfire. Only Cyborg got all the trimmings. Who'd have thought, lol.

#24 Posted by ReVamp (22865 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin said:

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:

Yeah, Dicks new timeline (Really the Bat family's in general) and the exclusion of the Teen Titans is one of The New 52's biggest mistakes in my opinion.

If you think about it, that whole first generation of sidekicks got the shaft. Wally, Roy, Donna, Beast-Boy, Raven..even Starfire. Only Cyborg got all the trimmings. Who'd have thought, lol.

Well, Starfire seems pretty much the same, just being evolved as a character. Roy got f*cked, but honestly, he was fcked much before the reboot was announced during Cry For Justice. Raven is going to be appearing though... Beast Boy is appearing too, but he seems to be different. Cyborg did go well, but I still don't like him in the JLA.

#25 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1652 posts) - - Show Bio

@ReVamp said:

@SmoothJammin said:

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:

Yeah, Dicks new timeline (Really the Bat family's in general) and the exclusion of the Teen Titans is one of The New 52's biggest mistakes in my opinion.

If you think about it, that whole first generation of sidekicks got the shaft. Wally, Roy, Donna, Beast-Boy, Raven..even Starfire. Only Cyborg got all the trimmings. Who'd have thought, lol.

Well, Starfire seems pretty much the same, just being evolved as a character. Roy got f*cked, but honestly, he was fcked much before the reboot was announced during Cry For Justice. Raven is going to be appearing though... Beast Boy is appearing too, but he seems to be different. Cyborg did go well, but I still don't like him in the JLA.

Yeah the first gens got screwed, but as ReVamp pointed out, Roy was getting screwed before the change and so was Wally for that matter. Does anyone even remember where he was before Flashpoint?! All I remember is that he was basically replaced with Barry in every way. Both Donna and Wally need to reappear. At least they're doing new things with Starfire.

#26 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33469 posts) - - Show Bio
@fodigg: But Tim said at one point that "this will be the shortest incarnation of teen titans ever and that was in the last issue or the one before.
#27 Posted by haydenclaireheroes (9071 posts) - - Show Bio

I know he was Batman for a while in the new 52. So, my guess is that he was Robin also

#28 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

@fodigg: But Tim said at one point that "this will be the shortest incarnation of teen titans ever and that was in the last issue or the one before.

Another plot hole then. Somebody should really tell Dan Didio what his writers are doing.

#29 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33469 posts) - - Show Bio
@fodigg said:

@spiderbat87 said:

@fodigg: But Tim said at one point that "this will be the shortest incarnation of teen titans ever and that was in the last issue or the one before.

Another plot hole then. Somebody should really tell Dan Didio what his writers are doing.

When did Dido say there was no Titans?
#30 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

@fodigg said:

@spiderbat87 said:

@fodigg: But Tim said at one point that "this will be the shortest incarnation of teen titans ever and that was in the last issue or the one before.

Another plot hole then. Somebody should really tell Dan Didio what his writers are doing.

When did Dido say there was no Titans?

Ohhh, you're making me dig through my forum history WHY? How DARE you ask for verifiable evidence to support my wild claims! ~

The quotes I'm thinking of can be paraphrased roughly as "So these characters may have worked together in the past but never called themselves the Titans" and "... eventually the New Teen Titans will not have existed."

I was able to find a source here that says the "eventually the perez era will be gone," but that source was second hand and not a direct quote. It may, however, be the latter above quote I'm thinking of. I will continue to search for those quotes. The gist was, however, that Didio was talking and behaving as if the previous era of the Titans did not exist and that Wally/Donna were totally out, meanwhile launch books had clear indicators that for some writers this was not the approach they took.

I can see myself referencing these quotes on the first page but of course I didn't source them then either. This quote would've happened around the same time as the "no crisis events" quote, when people were still trying to pin down DCnU continuity and there was a lot of conflicting info from the DC brass.

As I'm unable to (at the moment anyway) find a direct Didio quote, these quotes should do:

Teen Titans editor Bobbie Chase: "Not only are these character meeting each other for the first time, in the New 52, this is the first incarnation of Teen Titans, ever" (source)

vs:

On Teen Titans History: “With Starfire in the Red Hood series and no Donna Troy, did that Teen Titans team ever come together?” Lobdell: “There are groups in the mythology that were called the Teen Titans before.” (source)

So while I don't have Didio's off-the-cuff remarks, there is (or at least was) some confusion among creators how much of the Titans history remained after the revamp.

#31 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33469 posts) - - Show Bio
@fodigg said:

@spiderbat87 said:

@fodigg said:

@spiderbat87 said:

@fodigg: But Tim said at one point that "this will be the shortest incarnation of teen titans ever and that was in the last issue or the one before.

Another plot hole then. Somebody should really tell Dan Didio what his writers are doing.

When did Dido say there was no Titans?

Ohhh, you're making me dig through my forum history WHY? How DARE you ask for verifiable evidence to support my wild claims! ~

The quotes I'm thinking of can be paraphrased roughly as "So these characters may have worked together in the past but never called themselves the Titans" and "... eventually the New Teen Titans will not have existed."

I was able to find a source here that says the "eventually the perez era will be gone," but that source was second hand and not a direct quote. It may, however, be the latter above quote I'm thinking of. I will continue to search for those quotes. The gist was, however, that Didio was talking and behaving as if the previous era of the Titans did not exist and that Wally/Donna were totally out, meanwhile launch books had clear indicators that for some writers this was not the approach they took.

I can see myself referencing these quotes on the first page but of course I didn't source them then either. This quote would've happened around the same time as the "no crisis events" quote, when people were still trying to pin down DCnU continuity and there was a lot of conflicting info from the DC brass.

As I'm unable to (at the moment anyway) find a direct Didio quote, these quotes should do:

Teen Titans editor Bobbie Chase: "Not only are these character meeting each other for the first time, in the New 52, this is the first incarnation of Teen Titans, ever" (source)

vs:

On Teen Titans History: “With Starfire in the Red Hood series and no Donna Troy, did that Teen Titans team ever come together?” Lobdell: “There are groups in the mythology that were called the Teen Titans before.” (source)

So while I don't have Didio's off-the-cuff remarks, there is (or at least was) some confusion among creators how much of the Titans history remained after the revamp.

It sounds like none of them actually know, you'd think they would have a big meeting about this stuff before everything went to print
#32 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

It sounds like none of them actually know, you'd think they would have a big meeting about this stuff before everything went to print

I know, right? One would think that'd be item number one when doing a revamp: what continuity are we keeping?

#33 Posted by SmoothJammin (2334 posts) - - Show Bio

Damn it guys.. I love the reboot and all but I seriously miss oldschool DC. Ugh.

#34 Posted by ReVamp (22865 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

It sounds like none of them actually know, you'd think they would have a big meeting about this stuff before everything went to print

Biggest problem of the reboot is that no one actually knows what's going on with anything else. They haven't totally decided, or at least seemed to, what exactly is considered cannon or not, which kind of sucks.

#35 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33469 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReVamp said:

@spiderbat87 said:

It sounds like none of them actually know, you'd think they would have a big meeting about this stuff before everything went to print

Biggest problem of the reboot is that no one actually knows what's going on with anything else. They haven't totally decided, or at least seemed to, what exactly is considered cannon or not, which kind of sucks.

They should have got together with there writers and made a real basic timeline up to the present, so everyone knows whats happened and what's not
#36 Posted by ReVamp (22865 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

@ReVamp said:

@spiderbat87 said:

It sounds like none of them actually know, you'd think they would have a big meeting about this stuff before everything went to print

Biggest problem of the reboot is that no one actually knows what's going on with anything else. They haven't totally decided, or at least seemed to, what exactly is considered cannon or not, which kind of sucks.

They should have got together with there writers and made a real basic timeline up to the present, so everyone knows whats happened and what's not

Yeah man, they really should have done something like that. It doesn't even need to be extensive, but just knowing what characters are getting cut, what's getting retconned and whatnot, that would've made the reboot much more appealing to other people.

#37 Posted by Darkmaster006 (17 posts) - - Show Bio

The News 52 timeline is a crap. It doesnt make sense and the Robins trained for six months and be Robin for six months, that very idiot and without sense. Im thinking my own timeline cause the original is horrible.

#38 Posted by Arkhamc1tizen (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

For the most part, Batman's continuity hasn't been changed all that much. Same for Green Lantern.

umm tim was never robin thats quite a big change

#39 Posted by redkevlar (7 posts) - - Show Bio

I think people get caught up in "Ohhh my! It never happened in the New 52", but this takes place from then so it really wouldn't matter since they are in the present and not the past. Also if Robin never existed anywhere people wouldn't be sad he wasn't there.

#40 Posted by Superbat420 (251 posts) - - Show Bio

hes still robin, but the build up to him becoming nightwing, is completely destroyed. he should have no independence, with the new 52 hes off fighting crime by himself at the age of about 18 with only a year training? batmans a bad mentor obviously

#41 Posted by LuigiBat (225 posts) - - Show Bio

@Arkhamc1tizen said:

@JediXMan said:

For the most part, Batman's continuity hasn't been changed all that much. Same for Green Lantern.

umm tim was never robin thats quite a big change

The whole Tim thing is confusing to say the least. Technically he WAS and IS a Robin and he was most definitely trained by Bruce, he never served as Batman's Robin but was nonetheless a Robin of sorts. Tim not being Robin alongside Bruce is mainly down to the compressed timeline. Pre-flashpoint there were years between Jason's death and Tim discovering Nightwing and Batman's true identities and then attempting to become Robin, and even then Bruce was less than enthusiastic about the idea of another Robin after what happened to Jason. With the compressed timeline you'd be talking about a matter of months elapsing between Jason's death and Tim coming onto the scene, no way would Bruce let anyone else become a Robin so soon after Jason died. No doubt the Red Robin persona was partly thought up by Bruce as a means of allowing Tim to fight crime but not alongside Batman.

#42 Posted by vernierhawk001 (534 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin said:

C'mon, seriously? lmao. DC can tamper with alot of things but Dick Grayson's time as Robin is sacred.

Tim is an olympic -level gymnast....nothing is sacred.

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