So, I noticed the Respect Thread was gone on here for some reason when I was going to add something to it. So I've decided that I'll revamp it up! This time, being much more specific then before! I hope you enjoy this! If you find me missing something, post the feat and I'll add it. Well...here it is!

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Portrayals

This is a new section I thought of making. With the appearance of Dick Grayson in the New 52, some portrayals differ from one another. I will warn that this section is entirely subjective and I urge to make sure you get your own view too If you do not trust what's stated.

(There's no doubt people will not agree with my word on portrayals. Feel free to look through this thread as people will address these portrayals with their opinions. This entire part is unlike any other respect thread...but the purpose is to let others know of some of the background surrounding the writing. Some characters get all kinds of feats and it's not always good writing that makes it legitimate. I love Dick Grayson but he's just as subseptible to exaggeration as he is to being margenalized.)

Solo Series

• The first New 52 Nightiwng solo series is what I would refer to as a "decent" series in terms of feats and even character portrayal. However, don't expect anything to exemplary. Much like any other stories, there's time when Dick acts stupid, is taken down easily, or has trouble with a situation one would think Nightwing would have little to no issue.
• The Grayson series has probably the best set of feats to the character in the New 52 (and probably to date) and is a mostly an upgrade from any previous appearances predating the comic book's introduction in the New 52. However, there are some EXAGGERATED feats typical of any solo series that focuses on the strengths and capability of the character. Your mileage will also vary on his technical prowess and some intelligence, although some of it is done intentionally and there's no internal monologues to let you know how Dick is truly feeling. But overall, a lot of his good feats in the New 52 are from this.

Team Series

• In Titans Hunt, Dick appears in just about every issue. Feat wise, it's a bit so-so. He really doesn't do much in the series and not much of his tactical prowess is really focused so don't expect anything to daring from any feats displayed here. There's also various characterization issues here and his facial expression betray any kind of tactical ability he has.

• The Titans book spins off from Titans Hunt with the same writer but different artists. There's little information from his portrayal as of right now (6/22/16), although from Titans Hunt, you can assume it'll be similar but nothing is definitive. All that's known is Titans Rebirth #1, which does show a in-character Dick Grayson so there's that.

Crossover/Outside Appearances

• In Batman & Robin Eternal, I have to say that this is the most wishy-washy set of appearances for the character from characterization to feats. He's not allowed to be as smart or competent since this is a crossover with a more prominent cast with fanbases on their own expecting their character's known skill to carry over fairly. I can safely say everyone who isn't a Harper Row fan gets cheated out of this one way or the other. Despite Dick being a main character, he goes through SOME good periods and the rest is horrid. He has the best out of any batfamily characters NOT named Harper Row but it's really not saying much at all. Whatsoever. Chockful of Batman comparisons and putdowns to elevante new characters, don't expect anything much from this book with feats for Dick...or any character to be frank.

In the recent Grayson issue, Dick manages to take down Midnighter who had prep time.

GG.

I know. I'l put that down soon.

Edit: Added along with the context so people don't see it as Dick simply beating Midnighter cause herp dep he's skilled enough. There was factors in there.

Dick's ability to read a person's body language, along with his detective skills, is criminaly underused, but awesome to see when it us.

@nathaniel_christopher: In Grayson, they've been using it a lot. But it's not shown in the way it usually is with the "Eyebrows sweating, twitching hand" sort of detective look. But more like "I know he is going to hit me from behind, so imma duck out the way"

Or at least that is what it seems like. That's what they did when Helena tried to punch Dick in Grayson #2

Yeah. It's not visually represented.

Agreed. I wish they showcased that more. In New 52, I'm glad artists visualized it. It's actually been there since even before Cassandra Cain (Nightwing Mini showed like the earliest case for me) Pre-52 but it was only like how Nightwingism said and easily forgettable. Also, it's not as "percise" per say to Cass's.

@jayaaerow: The resurfacing of this ability has caused a lot of controversy about "Cassandra being swallowed by Dick in terms of abilities", which went hand-in-hand with the "Dick's perks are being spread around with his other 2 brothers". I really hope when Cass returns (or resurfaces in the present day, as apposed to Batgirl Futures End) she also has this ability and it's like a bonding experience. Probably like a fight where there is no winner since they are just reading each other to death. It'd be funny though, since Cass would probably be younger by a good amount

It's not really controversy. That's a example of misguided fans who think that Dick would steal qualities from other characters and stems from frustration of their character not existing because she's "too toxic". His current character problem is that he can't keep what gets established as his. He couldn't steal from other characters cause it'll get handed off anyway.

@jayaaerow: For the Grayson #7 preview, the Man Cave (who got the preview) said that Dick Grayson is fighting the Fist of Cain, and that a fan favorite female character is returning. Maybe Grayson is the book that brings back Cassandra Cain?

Well the statement read like this

Oh oh oh oh, and there’s a guest in this issue that we’re not going to spoil for you, but it may just be the most beloved female character in DC Comics right now! Certainly the most at Man Cave Daily. No, it’s not Granny Goodness, although that guess does imply you’ve looked through some of our browser history that we thought we had deleted. No, this is a completely separate character that we admire for much more rational reasons that we’re not ashamed of.

Doesn't necessarily mean that a fan favorite character is returning to the DCU as much as it is a fan favorite character is a guest in the book. I wouldn't rule out Cassandra Cain but it could also be Babs because when we look beloved female characters in DC right now, three come to mind, Barbara Gordon, Harley Quinn and Wonder Woman and I highly doubt we'll see the latter two in Grayson like ever.

@youknowwhattodo: If it is any of those 3, I'd be happy and would love the issue more, especially Babs, I miss that interaction and Tim/Tom could do nice stuff with those 2. Though, I don't think it'd be Babs or Wonder Woman, but, like Cass, definitely wouldn't rule them out. I just don't know how they'd be able to be included in the story, especially in an issue that is actually a continuation from the previous one (a first for Grayson) and set during Endgame (for both Babs and Wonder Woman). Harley Quinn is definitely a fan favorite and could fit decently in this spy stuff for an issue, but the earlier problem arises.

It wouldn't be spoiler, she is new and it'd be weird to see her appear. Batwoman isn't really a huge fan favorite. It'd be cool to see Black Canary, but don't know how that'd fit. Mera is building a nice fan-base right now? Hey, if it is supergirl we can actually see some SuperBat family team up, and that'd be pretty kickass, and she is getting her own series, so it's not like she is hated by a large majority.

I think I remember on Twitter, Tom King tweeted out something along the lines of "hate writing a character with powers, and then learning they don't have those powers anymore." So, while it most likely is a character for a later issue, it could be someone who isn't a normal human. (Helps with my Supergirl theory haha)

We have reached a new level of fail regarding the coverage of Grayson.

Mancavedaily confirmed that they thought Harley would appear from the cover. They also amended the article

idiots

I really wished that Dick still had intellect in software/tech, which is a shame that he has no knowledge in software programming.

@youknowwhattodo: I saw that too. And I instantly thought of this mini-conversation. And I never felt more hurt.

I was so looking forward to some guest stars on Grayson! I wanted Supergirl Grayson Team-Up!

He still has knowledge in it. He programmed his house defenses, lasers trap, in Nightwing #13(?) and he knows how to work the Bat-Computer, which only so many people know how to operate to max capacity.

I remember him able to work on the Bat-Computer, but he has to rely on getting information from his new roommate, because Prankster caused his mask to become non functional.

I know what instance you're speaking of about his defenses, but Nightwing didn't state he did this on his own though.

IIRC Dick mentioned he relied on his resources to Tim at one point. But I can't remember which issue it was from.

Hopefully I'm wrong about all of this.

He still should because if he didn't then Batman really picked the wrong person for what looks like an 'Oracle-esque' role.

@youknowwhattodo said:

@mysoulz said:

I really wished that Dick still had intellect in software/tech, which is a shame that he has no knowledge in software programming.

He still should because if he didn't then Batman really picked the wrong person for what looks like an 'Oracle-esque' role.

True. I just find it weird that after his suit was hacked, he had to rely on his new roommate to find a way to prevent it from happening again. But maybe I'm overreacting.

@mysoulz: I think it was more of an attempt to make his supporting cast in Chicago seem useful more than anything else.

@youknowwhattodo said:

I guess it could probably be considered inconsistency.

Well, wasn't he asking for advice about it? Not to actually fix his suit. That'd kind of give away his secret identity.

I remember what scene you're talking about, and I'll look at if afterwards, but I think it was like "how would you fix it?" and she told him how, and he went on and fixed it himself. So he needed some tech knowledge to do it, and then some to understand what she was saying. And if not, totally inconsistent for sure.

Kyle Higgins wrote a good Nightwing though, so this kind of minor problems isn't that big of a deal

That's actually the only scene that I had to scratch my head. So it's not really big of a deal.

Kyle Higgins is a good writer. I list a good amount of positives in @youknowwhattodo's thread.

Nice, but I'm going to make a PM filled with his New 52 feats in chronological (issue releases) order. For those who want it, I can add them.

@captain_batman_ftw: So, from Issue 1 of Nightwing all the way to Issue 6 of Grayson (as of writing this)

Or are you also including his multiple appearances in other series, most notably Batman

@nightwingism: From Nightwing #1-30, Grayson #1-6 and probably others as well.

@captain_batman_ftw: That'd be pretty cool to see. There is a good amount of feats in the first issue of Nightwing as is

@nightwingism: I'll create that PM about a week or so, cause I need to finish all the issues from Nightwing's New 52 series, and no, I'm not talking about Grayson, I'm talking about the Nightwing series.

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Dick showing off the extent to which he's trained to combat the abilities of the Justice League; includes ways to think and fight against Flash, Superman, Martian Manhunter, Cyborg, Green Lantern, and Aquaman.

Could you also collect the gear he used so far? There are some pretty cool gadgets in his gauntlets that need to be displayed. I could collect the scans as well, but i am feeling lazy

There's a thread that showcases those. But it's lost since it wasn't updated. I guess I can do so laterz. I'll make sure to do his tech as Nightwing and Spyral.

I've uploaded a few scans of Dick relying on his resources (both pre/new 52) such as explosives, sonics and gas grenades awhile back. But what type of specific gear you're searching for?

@mysoulz: His suits has the electroshock feature, he used the hightech mask to change his face, and his nightwing mask has a lot of gadgets in it

@chimeroid: Ah okay. I'll upload them for you soon.

I get that they are fans but the writers of Grayson are going overboard....

Hardly. It goes well with the genre and history. If you want to look at overboard, look at how Scott Lobdell and James Tynion tried to use Jason Todd as a creepy self-insert.

What do you mean?

I believe he's referring to the events in the Midnighter battle since he was on this forum talking about it for a few days after the issue came out. Maybe it's also about the Paragon battle, but I doubt it, no sane person would criticize writers for having one character beat a feat-less character.

I still hold to my conviction that the Midnighter vs Grayson fight was fair throughout the whole time

Sorry for the long time of not updating. But I got around to it. Took a bit of time since for some reason, not accepting my jpeg images. Now it's uploaded in PNG. Takes time. So enjoy the higher quality images. I got all the stuff from Batman 40 and the Grayson books obviously! Also renamed the thread because he's not just "Nightwing". Dick Grayson is more important then the mantle he puts on. It's just who he is.

And now he's Batman in Earth2. Cool

Yep. Always nice to see a universe where Dick takes, in my opinion, his rightful place as Batman. Costume looks terrible though.

Per Grayson #10, Lex Luthor showcases the ability to completely control the bodies of Hypnos users, and attempts to further demonstrate this by having Dick slap a waitress that's walking by (In a very sensitive area no less lol) and Dick manages to resist.

New Intelligence feats from Midnighter 4, folks. Enjoy.

There was a lot of nerf going on. Midnighter has fought many opponents who can change their styles and who are master of martial arts with no problem. He was KO not by Grayson but by the new implant who shocked him. It's out of character like when Midnighter can't read Joker when he could read non-living opponents or Punisher immunes to Ghost Rider's penance stare. Midnighter also was just playing around thoughout the fight. Lastly, it's 100% PIS since in the interview, the writer admits they were finding a way to give Grayson a win.

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So Dick and Cassandra met and fought in this issue, with Cass coming out on top. That's to be expected given that she was the superior fighter Pre-Flashpoint as well by all accounts, and that doesn't seem to have changed. However, though Dick "lost" and was generally confused by Cass's skills, he did manage to get a hold of her at one point, during which it clearly through her off

Just a moment of course and she quickly recovers, but I think that being able to do that at all to someone of Cass's skils (again, placing here where she was Pre-Flashpoint, as that doesn't seem to have changed) that that's a commendable feat, as most people wouldn't be able to do that at all.

We also see Dick's knowledge of various fighting forms, as he's able to tell that Cass could've killed him with some of her movements, but has chosen not to.

@nathaniel_christopher said:

So Dick and Cassandra met and fought in this issue, with Cass coming out on top. That's to be expected given that she was the superior fighter Pre-Flashpoint as well by all accounts, and that doesn't seem to have changed. However, though Dick "lost" and was generally confused by Cass's skills, he did manage to get a hold of her at one point, during which it clearly through her off

Just a moment of course and she quickly recovers, but I think that being able to do that at all to someone of Cass's skils (again, placing here where she was Pre-Flashpoint, as that doesn't seem to have changed) that that's a commendable feat, as most people wouldn't be able to do that at all.

We also see Dick's knowledge of various fighting forms, as he's able to tell that Cass could've killed him with some of her movements, but has chosen not to.

I can give you that reading her moves is a feat but grabbing Cassandra Cain is NOT a commendable feat. Pre-52, Dick actually was able to actually touch Cassandra with punches and kicks and take hits himself. He even knocked her one with one punch via surprise too. Sorry to get angsty but no, "grabbing" Cassandra Cain is not a feat cause "other people normally don't do it". That showing was all writers wooting for Cassandra Cain, not as a noteworthy feat for Grayson.

@jayaaerow said:

@nathaniel_christopher said:

So Dick and Cassandra met and fought in this issue, with Cass coming out on top. That's to be expected given that she was the superior fighter Pre-Flashpoint as well by all accounts, and that doesn't seem to have changed. However, though Dick "lost" and was generally confused by Cass's skills, he did manage to get a hold of her at one point, during which it clearly through her off

Just a moment of course and she quickly recovers, but I think that being able to do that at all to someone of Cass's skils (again, placing here where she was Pre-Flashpoint, as that doesn't seem to have changed) that that's a commendable feat, as most people wouldn't be able to do that at all.

We also see Dick's knowledge of various fighting forms, as he's able to tell that Cass could've killed him with some of her movements, but has chosen not to.

I can give you that reading her moves is a feat but grabbing Cassandra Cain is NOT a commendable feat. Pre-52, Dick actually was able to actually touch Cassandra with punches and kicks and take hits himself. He even knocked her one with one punch via surprise too. Sorry to get angsty but no, "grabbing" Cassandra Cain is not a feat cause "other people normally don't do it". That showing was all writers wooting for Cassandra Cain, not as a noteworthy feat for Grayson.

Disagree and I don't follow your logic whatsoever. So he was able to land blows on her Pre-Flashpoint, great. Those are all commendable feats, so is this, because in the realm of this fight she's clearly a martial artist of the highest caliber (Just like she was previously) So really anyone doing well against her to any extent is a feat. Just like if you manage to dodge or block a punch from Batman. It's freaking Batman! It doesn't matter if you hit him back, although it'd obviously be more impressive if you did, fighting him straight up and dodging any of his blows when he's actively trying to thrash you is a feat. Same applies here.

Especially when you're comparing Pre and Post Flashpoint. That's fairly irrelevant unless we're comparing the different versions of the characters.

And yeah you really do sound angsty over this.

Don't compare this Dick to pre52. New52 lacks a lot of things that makes Dick into a better fighter for good reasons. He hasn't been with the Titans nor has he lead several other teams. He also doesn't have the same amount of training as a Robin. Pre52 is older and wiser.

Don't compare.

@redwingx: You'd be wrong here. The Titans history is intact, considering that DC's launching an entire series around it. Most of Dick's history is very much in play.