@Nightwingdg
I don't really think Batman and Nightwing really are much of the Dynamic Duo any more. There relationship was not very long in the DCNU, so their partnership ending really wouldn't carry much weight. I can see Dick possibly killing Joker, but I'm not seeing that as extremely likely.
I don't really see why people were so impressed by Nightwing #15. Joker killed a guy who looked like him, poisoned a girl with Joker toxin and turned her against Dick (possibly because of the personal angle possibly to get a rival acrobat), and then threatened the circus. People act like it is new, but to me, it seems completely predictable. Kill, poison, threaten. Big whoop. There was no psychological angle to it except the threat of violence and discovery which was established in the main arc.
@entropy_aegis:
Beyond the Death of the Family story, I haven't felt any torture porn feel from most of the Bat family stories, but I do agree that they should each have their own feel, and they really do not. Nightwing feels like nothing but an extension of the Batman comics, and that is a shame because he was so much more. Damian deserves his own title, but they have to lump Batman in there with him because of the title even when Damian's story does not always need a Batman. Teen Titans has its own direction, but it is a bad one. Batgirl seems frivolous in the grand scheme of things though she does have her own tone. RHATO does have its own thing going so kudos there as does Batwoman. Birds is pretty meh.
Anyway, not feeling all your criticisms, but I can certainly commissorate with some of them.
Oh, and in general, Nightwing has just been too weak. He should be more developed than he is even taking into account his shorter amount of training time.
@RitchieB said:
The problem with DC is it has no balls when it comes to NW comics. I mean Reyna? who gives a shit about Reyna, she was just a booty call that betrayed Dick and was in on having him killed the entire time and then all of sudden were supposed to care and feel so sad. Doesnt make sense especially since Dick has got a new booty call in the same exact issue. So im supposed to care about Reyna and be inticed by Dicks new fling at the same time w/e DC. This what I mean about DC having no balls what so ever. Now just imagine the same exact comic, the same exact scenerio, but having it be Wally West instead of Reyna, having NW face his old best friend who is crazed and trying to kill him, that would turn it from a piss poor story into a great story. Like Wally went to retire like he did before the Flash died before and the Joker abducted him and made him go crazy like reyna. Epic fight, epic story, real connection to Dicks life and the readers. Dick saves his friend, we find out that Wally is not in limbo, hes just retired, DC reintros a great character but still keeps him on the shelf ( which is what they want not me) But no lets off some hoe thats been in like 3-4 issues.
It would take some careful plot construction to pull off that concept in a two issue crossover, but I like it. Good thought. @Nathaniel_Christopher said:
Solid issue, solid series, but so far this event's done nothing for Dick Grayson. I understand the point of going after Bruce's allies (Because honestly the idea that Joker's known for years and hasn't done anything is ridiculous, even worse is the idea that he was once wandering around the cave for hours. Make's Bruce look extremely incompetent), but this really seems like it should be wrapped up quickly and the various characters should go back to their own titles and do their own thing.
And Raya...just again Raya, a girl who no one cares about, but being forced into a role to draw sympathy from the readers. And in the end, that's just taking away a member of the Nightwing cast who could've been slowly built up and used to greater effect much, much later in the series. SMH, such a waste.
Yeah, I was also ticked by the implication that we should care about the death of Raya. She was a character designed just for betrayal, yet we are supposed to care that she got what she had coming? Not hardly.
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