Nightwing #0 discussion

#1 Edited by Nightwingdg (83 posts) - - Show Bio

Interested to see what everyone thought about the issue.

As a longtime Nightwing/DickGrayson fan I absolutely loved it.

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Did anyone else get the feeling that Dick Grayson as Robin had a better chance against Lady Shiva than Batman? She pretty much makes a mockery of Batman then tells Dick that he has more potential than Batman could know what to do with.

#2 Posted by Squalleon (4644 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nightwingdg: Not only that at least someone show some Dick Grayson detective skills and intellect!

the issue was awesome.

#3 Posted by danhimself (22650 posts) - - Show Bio

the only thing I'm not completely sold on was Dick's Robin costume....not sure how I feel about it's design

#4 Posted by wessaari (630 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself: i defnitely prefer it over the underwear and pixie boots. I personally loved it, but i can see where people will dislike it.

#5 Posted by danhimself (22650 posts) - - Show Bio

@wessaari: oh it's definitely an improvement over the original suit but....I don't know...I can't really describe what I didn't like about it

#6 Posted by SmashBrawler (5977 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked how his Robin costume had a "W" on it

#7 Posted by Squalleon (4644 posts) - - Show Bio

@wessaari said:

@danhimself: i defnitely prefer it over the underwear and pixie boots. I personally loved it, but i can see where people will dislike it.

this

they try to make it modern and classic.I personally liked it,because it has a feel of Nightwing in it.

#8 Posted by r3d_rob1n (541 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nightwingdg: I think Dick stood more of a chance because he is more agile. Shiva's fighting style and variety of weapons (hair) would require more dodges than hit absorbing. This puts the ball in Dick's court as he is the most agile person around.

@danhimself: I feel the same way. He did mention that the suit isn't finished though, and it did have a very prototype feel to it. I like that the shorts are gone now. It's one thing about the character that I wouldn't mind leaving in the past.

#9 Posted by lilcraig92 (80 posts) - - Show Bio

His parents died when he was 15, so when did he become robin? at the age 15 or 16.

#10 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@lilcraig92 said:

His parents died when he was 15, so when did he become robin? at the age 15 or 16.

Yeah he was taken in at the age of 16. I don't know when he'd have been a Robin, but I'd assume a couple of months after that, so still within the same age.

#11 Posted by lilcraig92 (80 posts) - - Show Bio

@Haaydrian: But his parents died at 15 doe.

#12 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm digging the way this is going to be honest. I like Grayson and the fact that he's been made to show to have some natural talent in a more explicit way than he had before i.e. the body language reading, appeals to me. Obviously it seems that he's going to be ripping a bit off Shiva and she's going to be teaching him how to read the people's moves, because that's her shtick and I'm guessing that its going to be develop for a trait that he inherits.

. @Nightwingdg said:

Did anyone else get the feeling that Dick Grayson as Robin had a better chance against Lady Shiva than Batman? She pretty much makes a mockery of Batman then tells Dick that he has more potential than Batman could know what to do with.

And for the record, Batman was poisoned, he wasn't just beaten by Lady Shiva. She didn't on the other hand poison Grayson and pretty much played with him all along. She said he had potential, but no that fight isn't a legit "feat" in any manner of speaking. Not implying that you were saying this to be the case, but I know its bound to come up at some point in this thread/site.

#13 Posted by Dajam22 (4 posts) - - Show Bio
I like the costume i just don't like the lack of those rectangle things he used to have.
#14 Edited by SmoothJammin (2334 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm glad the artist implemented the capsule utility belt from Earth 2's robin design instead of going with the typical bulky, free-flowing one. It's exactly the one I've been clamoring for in Nightwing. I wish it would carry over to his adult costume. and have it emulate Terry Mcginnis' belt. It's almost like they channeled Cassandra Cain through Dick too. Reading motion and body language.

It's odd at first, but it works for his character when you think about it. Timing thread ftw

#15 Edited by SmoothJammin (2334 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nightwingdg: I know I'm reaching here, but you do think what she sees differently in Dick is his ability to overcome? I'm beginning to think what the writers are getting at is Bruce has this severe case of OCD when it comes to avenging his parents. Batman's intense concentration on vengeance overrides other mechanical functions in his body & mind and it limits him. That's what ocd does, you give in to a ritual or compulsions, in Bruce's case fighting crime.. and the longer you commit to it the stronger the disorder becomes. Since Dick in many ways represents a mirror image of Bruce albeit a good one his potential is leagues beyond where Bruce's could be.

#16 Posted by n1ghtw1ng (4 posts) - - Show Bio

i think it was cool how they changed his origin and the new robin costume looks pretty legit.

I JUST CANT WAIT 4 NIGHTWING #13

#17 Edited by Nightwingdg (83 posts) - - Show Bio

@Haaydrian: @SmoothJammin: Potential, potential, potential! What do most people associate with Dick's Skill? He's good cause he has been trained by Batman. Lady Shiva flat out tells him Batman is holding him back.

I was thinking...

If Nightwing has this natural ability to read people's movements, could Nightwing hone his skills with Lady Shiva to copy movements like Task Master/Echo?

#18 Posted by John Valentine (16318 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dajam22 said:

I like the costume i just don't like the lack of those rectangle things he used to have.

Love the costume. Favourite Robin costume.

#19 Posted by Mercy_ (92922 posts) - - Show Bio

Best comic issue I've read in a long time!

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#20 Posted by fullmetalquach (94 posts) - - Show Bio

amazing costume and an amazing issue, i love how the writer firmly established the difference between Dick and Bruce and how Dick's thoughts showed the reader that he knew he would go his separate way eventually, very welln

#21 Posted by lilcraig92 (80 posts) - - Show Bio

They didnt catch Tony Succo in this issue or they just didn show it

#22 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nightwingdg: That's farfetched bro.

#23 Edited by Nathaniel_Christopher (1683 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dajam22 said:

I like the costume i just don't like the lack of those rectangle things he used to have.

My new favorite costume for Robin. Or 2nd favorite. The Adult Earth 2 Robin will always have the best one in my mind.

This New 52 one's a very close 2nd however and I like it. I'll never knock the pixie boots or short pants. They were an important part of the character's history, but i'm glad to see this more modern look for the present day. Looks really nice and practical. I also love how it stands out from the images we've seen of Jason and Tim's part costumes. However, I have to wonder if the short pants are completely gone. Over in Red Hood Kori showed Jason some of Dick's past costumes and the short pants were definitely among them.

It's whatever though lol new suit looks awesome. That's the important thing.

I am definitely not the biggest fan of the New 52, especially in terms of the Bat Family (And we all know why) but if they're going to change things they may as well be consistent about it. Post-Crisis (Nightwing Year One) Dick told Superman that he always thought he'd go on being Robin forever, and that eventually he'd become Batman. Here Post-Flashpoint, Dick is older when he starts out. He already has his own thoughts and ideas. His personality is set, so it makes perfect sense for him to know that he and Batman are going to part ways eventually. That Batman isn't what he wants from his life.

#24 Posted by VampireSelektor (749 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:

@Dajam22 said:

I like the costume i just don't like the lack of those rectangle things he used to have.

My new favorite costume for Robin. Or 2nd favorite. The Adult Earth 2 Robin will always have the best one in my mind.

This New 52 one's a very close 2nd however and I like it. I'll never knock the pixie boots or short pants. They were an important part of the character's history, but i'm glad to see this more modern look for the present day. Looks really nice and practical. I also love how it stands out from the images we've seen of Jason and Tim's part costumes. However, I have to wonder if the short pants are completely gone. Over in Red Hood Kori showed Jason some of Dick's past costumes and the short pants were definitely among them.

It's whatever though lol new suit looks awesome. That's the important thing.

I am definitely not the biggest fan of the New 52, especially in terms of the Bat Family (And we all know why) but if they're going to change things they may as well be consistent about it. Post-Crisis (Nightwing Year One) Dick told Superman that he always thought he'd go on being Robin forever, and that eventually he'd become Batman. Here Post-Flashpoint, Dick is older when he starts out. He already has his own thoughts and ideas. His personality is set, so it makes perfect sense for him to know that he and Batman are going to part ways eventually. That Batman isn't what he wants from his life.

This revelation reminds me of Young Justice's Dick Grayson.

#25 Posted by TDK_1997 (15005 posts) - - Show Bio

The issue was great and had really interesting stuff in.The design of the costume was great and I loved it.

#26 Edited by britsera (204 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm just so happy NW is such a solid book. I mean, have we had a bad issue?

#27 Posted by Deranged Midget (17740 posts) - - Show Bio

Dick held his own for a decent amount of time against Shiva but Bruce was taken by surprise and poisoned so I don't think he necessarily did better.

I hated how Dick was drawn in this issue though.

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#28 Posted by Lvenger (20864 posts) - - Show Bio

Come on Dick does not stand a better chance against Shiva than Batman. Shiva poisoned Batman before the fight. If anything that suggests Shiva is scared of taking on Batman in a head on fair fight. Dick may be more agile but Bruce has mastered far more styles than Dick. I'd love to see a fair Shiva vs Batman rematch though.

#29 Posted by Deranged Midget (17740 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lvenger: I don't think anyone really believes that Dick is a better fighter than Bruce in any regard. But yes, Bruce was disposed quickly because of Shiva's surprise attack and the fact that he was poisoned.

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#30 Posted by Lvenger (20864 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget: Some people seem to think Dick has a better chance against Shiva than Bruce does for some reason though. That I don't get.

#31 Posted by Deranged Midget (17740 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lvenger: Well that's entirely untrue. Bruce didn't even have a chance to fight her as she quickly poisoned him. Dick dodged a few of her attacks but was put down in fewer.

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#32 Posted by Lvenger (20864 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget: True but what I think they're going in is Shiva's comments about Dick being fluid and graceful but being limited under Batman's tutelage. I think they mean in future fights.

#33 Posted by Deranged Midget (17740 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lvenger: Perhaps, but we already know how Dick is in current events and he's done nothing to prove superiority over Bruce. Only time will tell though.

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#34 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (7453 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked the Issue 7.5/10.

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