JLA: Nightwing over Batman for membership?

Posted by Trodorne (2499 posts) - - Show Bio

 Now with the current "Reboot" of the continuity of the DC universe, one thing that we know is going on is that Batman is coming back to the Justice League of America, but as we seen in the recent issues of the Justice League before the reboot was the Tactical Leadership of Dick Grayson. Dick is notorious for have better people skills than Bruce Wayne ever had or ever will have in a lifetime. 
 
  Batman:

 It takes one little thing to set him off. 

   Good
  • Billions of dollars
  • Master of stealth and martial arts
  • gadgets galore.
  • master detective
    Bad
  • Broods
  • Does not work well with others
  • Slight case of paranoia.
  • Emotionally shut out.
 
  Nightwing:
   Good
  • Tactical Leader
  • master detective
  • master of stealth and martial arts
    Bad
  •  Uses his emotions
  • tries hard to be his own man.
  • bit of a man-whore.
 
   Based on this I would go for nightwing, Batman mainly has money but its his lack of playing well with others that turns me off. Yes Batman has billions of dollars and tons of gadgets. but if anything I think it would benefit Batman to stick to street level crime fighting while Nightwing has a chance to make himself what he can be and that is a leader and maybe lead the Justice League. He has better potential and Batman has and always will be a social outcast from any of the groups.
 
  Yes we have Wonder Woman and Superman, but they were never leaders but more of icons of the group who stand for something and act as like a lady liberty. they are there for show, and clark has never really been that smart anyways. But Nightwing has more to offer to the benefits to the team and can occasionally go back to doing street level fighting if he ever has free time from the league itself. 
 
 Sure I am maybe biased towards bruce wayne. but myself he is better of sticking to Gotham on the crazies that are running around.
#1 Posted by batmanary (790 posts) - - Show Bio

By this point, Nightwing would be a better JL leader. In fact, in OYL, Batman went and asked him first, whereupon he refused. He's the linchpin of the DCU, and if it weren't abound brand name, he would be the Justice Leaguer while Batman was focused on the Outsiders.

#2 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (35151 posts) - - Show Bio
@Trodorne: Em did you just say Superman isnt smart? SMH 
anyway after the new 52 batman will FORM the JLA its the first time they have met
#3 Posted by VampireSelektor (746 posts) - - Show Bio
@Trodorne 
I think what you meant to say is that Superman doesn't make a habit of thinking strategically due to his optimistic and trusting personality. Wonder Woman, on the other hand, has never been portrayed as a tactical leader.
#4 Posted by VampireSelektor (746 posts) - - Show Bio
@spiderbat87 said:
@Trodorne: Em did you just say Superman isnt smart? SMH anyway after the new 52 batman will FORM the JLA its the first time they have met

 
Eh... Are you sure? There has been a great deal of misinformation on this site in regards to the DCnU (ex. Tim Drake never having been Robin, which is false)
#5 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13691 posts) - - Show Bio
@VampireSelektor said:
@spiderbat87 said:
@Trodorne: Em did you just say Superman isnt smart? SMH anyway after the new 52 batman will FORM the JLA its the first time they have met
 Eh... Are you sure? There has been a great deal of misinformation on this site in regards to the DCnU (ex. Tim Drake never having been Robin, which is false)
this has been confirmed for a looooong time.
Online
#6 Posted by fodigg (6136 posts) - - Show Bio

I would've liked to see Nightwing appear in JLI.

#7 Posted by Trodorne (2499 posts) - - Show Bio
@batmanary said:
By this point, Nightwing would be a better JL leader. In fact, in OYL, Batman went and asked him first, whereupon he refused. He's the linchpin of the DCU, and if it weren't abound brand name, he would be the Justice Leaguer while Batman was focused on the Outsiders.
If anything, Dick does not want to join a group that Bruce has control of. Because whether people will admit it or not. Bruce is a bit of a control freak and has to be in control of every group or he is not involved. its his way or the highway. Dick realizes this and does not want to be part of his team. Though he respects the work that bruce does he just does not want to be under batmans wing all the time. 
 
  @fodigg said:
I would've liked to see Nightwing appear in JLI.
As nice as that thought is, it seems Batman is running that too by the cover of it.
#8 Posted by VampireSelektor (746 posts) - - Show Bio
@Avenging-X-Bolt
 
So the Morrison-penned JLA stories are inconsequential? : 0    
 
Is there a comprehensive list detailing each and every change to the DCU?
#9 Posted by spaceboy (200 posts) - - Show Bio

You ever noticed that everytime Grayson joins a team the number of female team members goes up?
Back to topic: Dick would make a better leader but he is probably not iconic enough to lead the league as Nightwing. 

#10 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23238 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman's role in the League is a bit superfluous. That's what the animated series did so well. If an issue was big enough, Batman would show up and prove to the rest of the League that he made them redundant. On a day to day basis, he has no reason to be there. Dick, on the other hand, represents the human element like Bruce, but in a way that's more suited to an everyday team dynamic.

#11 Posted by Trodorne (2499 posts) - - Show Bio

and its true not everyone likes working with batman. this is case in point:

#12 Posted by fodigg (6136 posts) - - Show Bio
@Trodorne said:
  @fodigg said:
I would've liked to see Nightwing appear in JLI.
As nice as that thought is, it seems Batman is running that too by the cover of it.
Well that's what I meant. It'd have been nice if they'd opted for Nightwing instead.  
 
Oh well. Maybe it's Dick in the costume? I doubt it but that'd be cool.
#13 Posted by VampireSelektor (746 posts) - - Show Bio
@spaceboy said:
You ever noticed that everytime Grayson joins a team the number of female team members goes up? Back to topic: Dick would make a better leader but he is probably not iconic enough to lead the league as Nightwing. 

All you need is a good writer (Morrison on Animal Man; Bryan Q. Miller on Batgirl)
#14 Posted by Mr. Dead Pool (2625 posts) - - Show Bio
@Trodorne said:
and its true not everyone likes working with batman. this is case in point:
LOL! Gotta love Guy!
#15 Posted by SmoothJammin (2350 posts) - - Show Bio

I just want to see him on a team that's not named Titans

#16 Posted by Gambit1024 (9843 posts) - - Show Bio
  I kind of disagree with your points. Yeah, Batman broods, but he's usually the one with the good tactics. Better than Superman's tactics sometimes. He's not paranoid, he's just prepared for anything. On top of that, he's the one of the best planners in the DCU. To say he doesn't work well with others is also faulty. What about Batman and Robin? and the Outsiders? and the JLA? and the JLI?
  
I do think that Nightwing is the better superhero, though. He's likeable and he'll get the job done, but just because your likeable doesn't mean you're not better suited for the team. Batman's a better leader than him, he's a better detective (and so is Tim Drake for that matter) and Batman's a better fighter than him. I also don't see how being your own man is a bad thing. And if you think Nightwing's a manwhore, you should look at Bruce Wayne's black book.  
 
But my thing is, why can't Batman and Nightwing be on the team?
#17 Posted by SmoothJammin (2350 posts) - - Show Bio

If Batman served an Oracle-esque roll in the JLA and guided the team via satellite comms, I'm sure Dick can work effectively under his watch as a field leader. It even plants the seeds for the type of working relationship he'll have for Terry McGinnis in the future.

#18 Posted by ReVamp (22798 posts) - - Show Bio
Nightwing:
Good
  • Tactical Leader
  • master detective
  • master of stealth and martial arts
Bad
  • Uses his emotions
  • tries hard to be his own man.
  • bit of a man-whore.

The first two things in "bad" are good.

#19 Posted by SmoothJammin (2350 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambit1024: Viners are saying that if they're both on the team Nightwing's role is limited because Batman apparently does everything better, to which I argue why the fk is Huntress on the roster then? or Roy AND Ollie. As Robin it wasn't any different, he tagged alongside Bats and Supes in Superfriends and Worlds Finest, people ate it up. How is he inadequate when he represents the future of heroism, noone would argue his presence. He'd make sure the JLA never split, and if they did Dick would use everything in his power to keep the team alive and bring in others.

#20 Posted by ReVamp (22798 posts) - - Show Bio

Not to mention he's not overshadowed.

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