How was Nightwing established in DcNu

Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

Is anyone going to miss the interactions between Dick and Clark? I always liked how Superman watched Robin grow and helped guide him on his course as an uncle figure. If Superman now is rebellious and arrogant, does that make his relationship with Dick/Nightwing non-existent? Superman was an instrumental part of Dick's growth. I've always felt like Nightwing mantle was a tribute to both of his mentors..

#1 Posted by Grim (2081 posts) - - Show Bio

I... am so excited someone else remembers that.

#2 Posted by DomDom (998 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah...i do miss that... 
 
I liked how when Dick and Bruce were soar at each other, Dick kinda went to Clark behind his back..bwahah... 
I'm still meaning to get some more old Nightwing comics of them together. I really liked the uncle figure-ness Superman had with Grayson. =) 
I'm exspecially looking for this comic, lol.
#3 Posted by fodigg (6136 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, we don't know but I assume it's still the same. However, the costume has been retconned as almost identical to the costumes the Flying Graysons wore. Which makes you wonder how the hell he came up with the Robin outfit. Or at least, they retconned it within the pages of Flashpoint:

Past Flying Grayson costumes:

#4 Posted by DEGRAAF (7912 posts) - - Show Bio

Dick Grayson and Kal-El are my two favorite DC characters and i always liked their relationship with one another. I always thought that if it wasnt for Kal-El that Dick would have ended up more like Jason Todd, succumbing to the darkness that is Batman

#5 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

@Grim said:

I... am so excited someone else remembers that.

It's one of the main reasons I love nightwing to begin with!

#6 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

@DomDom said:

yeah...i do miss that...

I liked how when Dick and Bruce were soar at each other, Dick kinda went to Clark behind his back..bwahah...
I'm still meaning to get some more old Nightwing comics of them together. I really liked the uncle figure-ness Superman had with Grayson. =)
I'm exspecially looking for this comic, lol.

Action comics 771 buddy, enjoy..

#7 Posted by Grim (2081 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin said:

@Grim said:

I... am so excited someone else remembers that.

It's one of the main reasons I love nightwing to begin with!

YES! that moment when he got blessings from Superman made him the "Future Leader of the DCU" that he is today... or was until the new 52. who knows now.

#8 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF said:

Dick Grayson and Kal-El are my two favorite DC characters and i always liked their relationship with one another. I always thought that if it wasnt for Kal-El that Dick would have ended up more like Jason Todd, succumbing to the darkness that is Batman

I have to disagree with you. Dick is naturally a happy, go lucky guy. He's always worn his heart on his sleeve whereas Jason came from a different background entirely. Dick was never destined to become Batman. They are too different ideally. He may or may not have continued his masked career as Nightwing, but becoming as corrupted as his mentor is reaching

#9 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

@Grim said:

@SmoothJammin said:

@Grim said:

I... am so excited someone else remembers that.

It's one of the main reasons I love nightwing to begin with!

YES! that moment when he got blessings from Superman made him the "Future Leader of the DCU" that he is today... or was until the new 52. who knows now.

found this on tumblr last night. Hilarious! ...but so true.

#10 Posted by soccersss (537 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin said:

@Grim said:

@SmoothJammin said:

@Grim said:

I... am so excited someone else remembers that.

It's one of the main reasons I love nightwing to begin with!

YES! that moment when he got blessings from Superman made him the "Future Leader of the DCU" that he is today... or was until the new 52. who knows now.

found this on tumblr last night. Hilarious! ...but so true.

LoL. Classic

#11 Posted by DomDom (998 posts) - - Show Bio
@SmoothJammin
OoOo! THANKS! =)
#12 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (35015 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate that every one seems to think Superman is "arrogant and rebellious" now when clearly thats not true 

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#13 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87: You've gotta admit, the JLA supes is a little cocky. And those events take place during the advent of vigilantism. You'd have to assume Dick Grayson was only a lad then when they decided to cram all of the robin history into one compressed time period. From what I've read over in Superman(perez) he is matured although the buyout/deconstruction of Daily Planet doesn't help matters. He's also a little distant. Then again I could be wrong since I can't stand that series and only picked up the first two issues. In action comics he's edgier, but that's more about his notorious public image as an alien and loose cannon.

#14 Posted by ReVamp (22798 posts) - - Show Bio

I always wondered how his interactions with Superman is going to be, I still hope that he's going to be an imporant figure in Dick's world.

#15 Posted by frogjitsu (477 posts) - - Show Bio

@soccersss said:

@SmoothJammin said:

@Grim said:

@SmoothJammin said:

@Grim said:

I... am so excited someone else remembers that.

It's one of the main reasons I love nightwing to begin with!

YES! that moment when he got blessings from Superman made him the "Future Leader of the DCU" that he is today... or was until the new 52. who knows now.

found this on tumblr last night. Hilarious! ...but so true.

LoL. Classic

QTF. Looks like Roy got the short end of the stick.

#16 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

@frogjitsu: Roy had one effed up childhood. He had poor role models.. Supes and Bats on the other hand, set a good example for Dick

#17 Posted by DEGRAAF (7912 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin said:

@DEGRAAF said:

Dick Grayson and Kal-El are my two favorite DC characters and i always liked their relationship with one another. I always thought that if it wasnt for Kal-El that Dick would have ended up more like Jason Todd, succumbing to the darkness that is Batman

I have to disagree with you. Dick is naturally a happy, go lucky guy. He's always worn his heart on his sleeve whereas Jason came from a different background entirely. Dick was never destined to become Batman. They are too different ideally. He may or may not have continued his masked career as Nightwing, but becoming as corrupted as his mentor is reaching

Ok well i didnt mean exactly like Jason, but more of a hardened emotionless person. More like Bruce.

#18 Posted by frogjitsu (477 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin: I didn't say I didn't get it. I know all about Roy's issues.

#19 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

@Frogjitsu: Takes one to know one?

#20 Posted by ReVamp (22798 posts) - - Show Bio

Roy did get the short end though. Poor dude. Fcking Ollie.

#21 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

Roy screwed Roy.

#22 Posted by ReVamp (22798 posts) - - Show Bio

Disagree. Why do you say that?

#23 Posted by Kal'smahboi (3567 posts) - - Show Bio

I kinda just really hope that the arrogant Superman thing was a result of bad writing on Perez's part. Modesty has always been a defining point for Superman, to me. George Perez turned Superman into everything that Superhaters complain about.

#24 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

@ReVamp: He was about that addict life when Ollie and Hal walked in on him

#25 Posted by ReVamp (22798 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin said:

@ReVamp: He was about that addict life when Ollie and Hal walked in on him

Yeah and instead of helping him, Ollie put him in the street.

#26 Posted by Saren (25082 posts) - - Show Bio

@ReVamp said:

@SmoothJammin said:

@ReVamp: He was about that addict life when Ollie and Hal walked in on him

Yeah and instead of helping him, Ollie put him in the street.

That whole thing was stupid. It was supposed to be DC's attempt at addressing "youth's greatest problem", which implies that it would actually be taken seriously or examined at length or something. All that happens is Ollie freaking out, beating Roy a bit and kicking him out in one issue, and then in the next issue Roy walks up to Ollie and punches him in the face for putting him on the streets (apparently Hal and Dinah helped him kick the habit off-panel, they never went into how or what happened or anything like that). How is that addressing the problem? That's just depicting a character with the problem, and then the character miraculously getting rid of the problem in no time flat.

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#27 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

@ReVamp said:

@SmoothJammin said:

@ReVamp: He was about that addict life when Ollie and Hal walked in on him

Yeah and instead of helping him, Ollie put him in the street.

Probably about the same way my father would respond. :l

@CitizenBane said:

@ReVamp said:

@SmoothJammin said:

@ReVamp: He was about that addict life when Ollie and Hal walked in on him

Yeah and instead of helping him, Ollie put him in the street.

That whole thing was stupid. It was supposed to be DC's attempt at addressing "youth's greatest problem", which implies that it would actually be taken seriously or examined at length or something. All that happens is Ollie freaking out, beating Roy a bit and kicking him out in one issue, and then in the next issue Roy walks up to Ollie and punches him in the face for putting him on the streets (apparently Hal and Dinah helped him kick the habit off-panel, they never went into how or what happened or anything like that). How is that addressing the problem? That's just depicting a character with the problem, and then the character miraculously getting rid of the problem in no time flat.

I concur with your statement

#28 Posted by X9 (767 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kal'smahboi said:

I kinda just really hope that the arrogant Superman thing was a result of bad writing on Perez's part. Modesty has always been a defining point for Superman, to me. George Perez turned Superman into everything that Superhaters complain about.

This.

About his interaction with Dick, I think it's about to come out...

#29 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

@X9: Really? In what book JLA

#30 Posted by X9 (767 posts) - - Show Bio

: I don't know, I just tried to say we can get to see it in future issues XP

#31 Posted by sethysquare (3842 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin said:

Is anyone going to miss the interactions between Dick and Clark? I always liked how Superman watched Robin grow and helped guide him on his course as an uncle figure. If Superman now is rebellious and arrogant, does that make his relationship with Dick/Nightwing non-existent? Superman was an instrumental part of Dick's growth. I've always felt like Nightwing mantle was a tribute to both of his mentors..

Since when is Superman rebellious and Arrogant? That was only in the beginning of his career before he met Dick. Also, Dick was adopted at a really late age in new 52. So I guess not so much of an uncle figure now.

#32 Posted by sethysquare (3842 posts) - - Show Bio

@ReVamp said:

@SmoothJammin said:

@ReVamp: He was about that addict life when Ollie and Hal walked in on him

Yeah and instead of helping him, Ollie put him in the street.

We don't really know what happened though. Ann is thinking of a story to tell between them.

#33 Posted by ReVamp (22798 posts) - - Show Bio

@sethysquare said:

@ReVamp said:

@SmoothJammin said:

@ReVamp: He was about that addict life when Ollie and Hal walked in on him

Yeah and instead of helping him, Ollie put him in the street.

We don't really know what happened though. Ann is thinking of a story to tell between them.

You mean in the New 52?

#34 Posted by sethysquare (3842 posts) - - Show Bio

@ReVamp said:

@sethysquare said:

@ReVamp said:

@SmoothJammin said:

@ReVamp: He was about that addict life when Ollie and Hal walked in on him

Yeah and instead of helping him, Ollie put him in the street.

We don't really know what happened though. Ann is thinking of a story to tell between them.

You mean in the New 52?

Ah yes, I mean in new 52. I see you guys are talking about old 52.

#35 Edited by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

Who bloweth up my inbox :) But yeah..

@sethysquare said:

@SmoothJammin said:

Is anyone going to miss the interactions between Dick and Clark? I always liked how Superman watched Robin grow and helped guide him on his course as an uncle figure. If Superman now is rebellious and arrogant, does that make his relationship with Dick/Nightwing non-existent? Superman was an instrumental part of Dick's growth. I've always felt like Nightwing mantle was a tribute to both of his mentors..

Since when is Superman rebellious and Arrogant? That was only in the beginning of his career before he met Dick. Also, Dick was adopted at a really late age in new 52. So I guess not so much of an uncle figure now.

I must blame Perez for turning Superman into a ball of everything I dislike about him. I don't follow the Robin canon, my brain has it's own continuity for Nightwing until I say dif

#36 Posted by ReVamp (22798 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin said:

I must blame Perez for turning Superman into a ball of everything I dislike about him. I don't follow the Robin canon, my brain has it's own continuity for Nightwing until I say dif

You do well, lol.

#37 Posted by Z3RO180 (6709 posts) - - Show Bio

@SmoothJammin: i imagin that it di happen but the whole uncle relasonship never did due to the fact that every one is much younger than they were pre-52

#38 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

I get the feeling Nightwing's origin is so epic it can't be contained in one single issue. (or DC still has no clue what's going on.) I wish they touched on it with Zero issue, both after quitting as Robin and after relinquishing as Batman.

#39 Posted by KNlGHTWlNG (25 posts) - - Show Bio

Not to mention Superman gave him the name Nightwing...

#40 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

@KNlGHTWlNG: I hate being left in the dark when it comes to continuity. How can DC expect us to handwave years of our favorite characters development, years of history gone down the drain and they expect us to sit back and go with the flow? It's not right. They need to come through in a big way.

#41 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1687 posts) - - Show Bio

Really I think DC needs to give an in-depth explanation on the histories of many heroes. Otherwise you end up with shit like GA (Where he looks like he was barely an adult when he mentored Roy) and Red Robin (Where apparently Tim was never Robin) Its annoying knowing things have changed but not knowing how or why. And the issue with the timeline doesn't help either. They've already screwed Dick over by putting Donna and Wally on a bus, and sending it into a black hole. Then they seemingly de-aged Roy and made it so Kori doesn't even remember Dick fully most of the time. Then they went and took away his history with the Titans, one of the most important times in the character's life!!! Really I can only assume he was never leader of the Outsiders or Justice League either. DC owes all Dick Grayson fans an explanation. Big time.

#42 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nathaniel_Christopher: Amen brother, preach it. Zero month has a lot of explaining to do.

#43 Posted by SmoothJammin (2348 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought this was pretty damn cute.

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