Not just overall, but in specific categories.
-Tactical
-Detective
-Scientific
-Technological
-Improvisation
-Leadership
Where does he rank in these?
Dick Grayson
Character » Dick Grayson appears in 9487 issues.
As the first Robin, Dick Grayson was the most famous sidekick in comic book history. As he ventured forth on his own, he formed the Teen Titans and became their leader. When the boy became a man, he became the independent hero known as Nightwing.
How smart is Dick?
@vernierhawk001: Don't get me wrong I prefer Dick as leader over Bruce any day of the week. Batman just has a product people buy into, he gives them results. Dick is a step behind that elite class. Yeah you see the rallying and the bravado and the versatility but when I watch both guys you know what it reminds me of? Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen in the 90's. Two top notch basketball players but only one is solidified as All Time Greatest, Batman's that guy you know who will bail you out of a jam because he'll carry the team, you just have to trust in him. To this day I'm not sure Nightwing has put on on those running shoes and reaaaaallly proved to me he's had the sort of career defining triumph on par with one of Batman's greatest feats. Then again I haven't read up on his titans or solo run in its entirety. When the threat is too big it's usually JLA business and that to me speaks volumes.
The scan you mentioned?
@SmoothJammin said:
@vernierhawk001: Don't get me wrong I prefer Dick as leader over Bruce any day of the week. Batman just has a product people buy into, he gives them results. Dick is a step behind that elite class. Yeah you see the rallying and the bravado and the versatility but when I watch both guys you know what it reminds me of? Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen in the 90's. Two top notch basketball players but only one is solidified as All Time Greatest, Batman's that guy you know who will bail you out of a jam because he'll carry the team, you just have to trust in him. To this day I'm not sure Nightwing has put on on those running shoes and reaaaaallly proved to me he's had the sort of career defining triumph on par with one of Batman's greatest feats. Then again I haven't read up on his titans or solo run in its entirety. When the threat is too big it's usually JLA business and that to me speaks volumes.
The scan you mentioned?
Hmm.....not sure. This looks like it but I thought there was one with Clark, Diana, and bruce. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.
@vernierhawk001 said:
@SmoothJammin said:
@richardjohngrayson said:
@vernierhawk001 said:
@nickzambuto: Yikes...compared to Bruce?
Tactical: Bruce>Dick (but I must say that I don't think Dick is bad.)
Detective: Bruce>Dick (he isn't the worlds greatest detective for nothing)
Scientific:Bruce>Dick
Technological: Bruce>Dick
Improv: Dick>Bruce (and this is debatable but I'm basing it on the idea that Dick is supposed to be one who has the amazing instincts and great timing)
Leadership: Dick>>Bruce (Dick has the ability to gain/give trust....something Bruce can't do)
These are my opinions...interested to see what other ppl say as I'm sure folks will disagree and have good evidence to back up their cases. But the great thing is that Dick is still growing as a character--something you don't get to see all the time. And I don't think Dick is swamped in any of these categories...just not a Bruce's level. I'd say his weakest area would be science
^This
If Darkseid invaded our Earth right now, would you rather have Nightwing put in charge of worldwide planetary defense or Batman?
I agree. I would def look to Batman...but I'm not sure if that's based solely on leadership skills. I think I would chose Bats, in part, because of experience and his tactical ability. That being said, since "Tactical" was a category given to itself, we would somehow have to divorce the tactical factor when considering leadership, wouldn't we? If that's the case we could put Dick on top
I don't know much about Dick's run in the JLA. Did he lead any largescale, important missions? His incarnation saved the other JLA didn't they?
Finally, I kind of think about the leadership thing this way: while clearly Batman is the brains behind JLA, Superman is more of the posterboy/rallying point. Like you said, Batman commands respect but I'm not sure how many superheros outside of Superman and members of the BatFamily would say that they really trust Bruce. In Nightwing I see the potential to be both Superman and Batman in the sense that he has the tactical chops (and will get better in future) but can also be the "face" of the Justice League (something Batman would never do).
Good points, under the circumstances then I'd say it's a wrap, Grayson at his purest is a natural leader. It's his niche. Batman's not exactly on everyone's Christmas list you're right. I remember Infinite Crisis, this subject was brought up then and Batman basically told Dick he would be the one to call upon the strike team. Reason being Dick had made a conscious effort to maintain relationships with everyone else throughout all the years Batman was secluded and working on his own.
I'm aware he was placed in charge of an interim JLA team during Obsidian Age and he was tasked with rescuing the core squad. Suffice to say I haven't read it-- so I can't divulge on the subject. I did purchase his entire run on JLA as Batman if it counts for anything. Not sure how well recieved it was by readers, I loved it. His team stopped major level threats and for the first time in a long time it seemed as if Grayson was finally transcending B-character status in what I call a Camelot age of heroes which saw Batman dead, Superman on Krypton, Wondy going through an identity crisis lol and plenty of legacy characters stepping up. For what it was Robinson's Dickbats performed adequately.
I concur. Nightwing potentially has what it takes to emerge as a medley of what Supes and Bats both represent and you can't help but cheer him on along the way. This is why I love him :3
<--Hawkman@Romulus9000 said:
@SmoothJammin said:
@Romulus9000: Far as DC's concerned he's still in little league. Boy's got the goods but for whatever reason they will never give him the push he needs towards superstardom, or what I call winning the sweepstakes...leading JLA.
I f you are commenting on what i said as far as Dick being the best leader in DCU then you are wrong, sadly. Many times over the years they have had several characters in different stories commenting on the fact that dick can inspire a team like no one else can. I was not speaking from opinion i was speaking on factual knowledge that i obtain.
Now does that mean they will ever let dick run the justice league? No it... OH WAIT HE HAS. READ OBSIDIAN AGE.
I don't disagree. However it should be noted while he's led incarnations of the league in the past, it usually came as a result of someone requiring his skills as a fill-in, or when he's shoehorned into the position because no one else was available to form a team. The fact he was able to micromanage and build his team is a testament of his impressive leadership abilities. I also try and be as subjective as I can, even though Nightwing's my all-time favorite character. Just saying~
@SmoothJammin said:
@vernierhawk001 said:
@SmoothJammin said:
@richardjohngrayson said:
@vernierhawk001 said:
@nickzambuto: Yikes...compared to Bruce?
Tactical: Bruce>Dick (but I must say that I don't think Dick is bad.)
Detective: Bruce>Dick (he isn't the worlds greatest detective for nothing)
Scientific:Bruce>Dick
Technological: Bruce>Dick
Improv: Dick>Bruce (and this is debatable but I'm basing it on the idea that Dick is supposed to be one who has the amazing instincts and great timing)
Leadership: Dick>>Bruce (Dick has the ability to gain/give trust....something Bruce can't do)
These are my opinions...interested to see what other ppl say as I'm sure folks will disagree and have good evidence to back up their cases. But the great thing is that Dick is still growing as a character--something you don't get to see all the time. And I don't think Dick is swamped in any of these categories...just not a Bruce's level. I'd say his weakest area would be science
^This
If Darkseid invaded our Earth right now, would you rather have Nightwing put in charge of worldwide planetary defense or Batman?
I agree. I would def look to Batman...but I'm not sure if that's based solely on leadership skills. I think I would chose Bats, in part, because of experience and his tactical ability. That being said, since "Tactical" was a category given to itself, we would somehow have to divorce the tactical factor when considering leadership, wouldn't we? If that's the case we could put Dick on top
I don't know much about Dick's run in the JLA. Did he lead any largescale, important missions? His incarnation saved the other JLA didn't they?
Finally, I kind of think about the leadership thing this way: while clearly Batman is the brains behind JLA, Superman is more of the posterboy/rallying point. Like you said, Batman commands respect but I'm not sure how many superheros outside of Superman and members of the BatFamily would say that they really trust Bruce. In Nightwing I see the potential to be both Superman and Batman in the sense that he has the tactical chops (and will get better in future) but can also be the "face" of the Justice League (something Batman would never do).
Good points, under the circumstances then I'd say it's a wrap, Grayson at his purest is a natural leader. It's his niche. Batman's not exactly on everyone's Christmas list you're right. I remember Infinite Crisis, this subject was brought up then and Batman basically told Dick he would be the one to call upon the strike team. Reason being Dick had made a conscious effort to maintain relationships with everyone else throughout all the years Batman was secluded and working on his own.
I'm aware he was placed in charge of an interim JLA team during Obsidian Age and he was tasked with rescuing the core squad. Suffice to say I haven't read it-- so I can't divulge on the subject. I did purchase his entire run on JLA as Batman if it counts for anything. Not sure how well recieved it was by readers, I loved it. His team stopped major level threats and for the first time in a long time it seemed as if Grayson was finally transcending B-character status in what I call a Camelot age of heroes which saw Batman dead, Superman on Krypton, Wondy going through an identity crisis lol and plenty of legacy characters stepping up. For what it was Robinson's Dickbats performed adequately.
I concur. Nightwing potentially has what it takes to emerge as a medley of what Supes and Bats both represent and you can't help but cheer him on along the way. This is why I love him :3
@Romulus9000 said:
@SmoothJammin said:
@Romulus9000: Far as DC's concerned he's still in little league. Boy's got the goods but for whatever reason they will never give him the push he needs towards superstardom, or what I call winning the sweepstakes...leading JLA.
I f you are commenting on what i said as far as Dick being the best leader in DCU then you are wrong, sadly. Many times over the years they have had several characters in different stories commenting on the fact that dick can inspire a team like no one else can. I was not speaking from opinion i was speaking on factual knowledge that i obtain.
Now does that mean they will ever let dick run the justice league? No it... OH WAIT HE HAS. READ OBSIDIAN AGE.
I don't disagree. However it should be noted while he's led incarnations of the league in the past, it usually came as a result of someone requiring his skills as a fill-in, or when he's shoehorned into the position because no one else was available to form a team. The fact he was able to micromanage and build his team is a testament of his impressive leadership abilities. I also try and be as subjective as I can, even though Nightwing's my all-time favorite character. Just saying~
Your scan......seems like "point. set. match goes to Dick"! What comic did this come from?
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