Let me start by saying I am fairly new to comics, starting my collection with a small range of the new 52. I am basically wondering if anyone knows the chronology of Dick Grayson in the current continuity, and I understand nothing has been set in stone regarding what is still relevant in the DCnU but I'd like to do some reading of some of the main storylines for Dick Grayson that people still count as canon. I started by reading Robin: Year One which seemed like a good place to start, I plan on picking up Dark Victory next. I have also ordered a couple of issues of The New Teen Titans 37 & 39 as well as The Judas Contract, however I'm not sure whether or not these are considered canon now. I'm also going to purchase Nightwing Year One. Doeas anyone have any other suggestions on what to read?

@Slaze:

The Judas Contract is one of my favorite storylines. You'd enjoy it. It has not been clearly specified what is canon yet for Nightwing but we know that he was Batman at one point in time so that means he must have been Nightwing for a while. To be on the safe side I'd recommend you check out Dick Grayson's ongoing series as Nightwing and read as much as you can. The New Teen Titans is also a good place to check out. I'd personally recommend The Terror of Trigon.

@soccersss said:

@Slaze:

The Judas Contract is one of my favorite storylines. You'd enjoy it. It has not been clearly specified what is canon yet for Nightwing but we know that he was Batman at one point in time so that means he must have been Nightwing for a while. To be on the safe side I'd recommend you check out Dick Grayson's ongoing series as Nightwing and read as much as you can. The New Teen Titans is also a good place to check out. I'd personally recommend The Terror of Trigon.

Yeah, Terror of Trigon and Judas Contract were the two arcs I wanted to read the most; mostly because I had watched their adaptations on the Teen Titans cartoon when I was younger and enjoyed the storylines. Thanks for the reply, I guess all I can do is read all the material and wait for anything to be contradicted in the new continuity.

@Slaze said:

@soccersss said:

@Slaze:

The Judas Contract is one of my favorite storylines. You'd enjoy it. It has not been clearly specified what is canon yet for Nightwing but we know that he was Batman at one point in time so that means he must have been Nightwing for a while. To be on the safe side I'd recommend you check out Dick Grayson's ongoing series as Nightwing and read as much as you can. The New Teen Titans is also a good place to check out. I'd personally recommend The Terror of Trigon.

Yeah, Terror of Trigon and Judas Contract were the two arcs I wanted to read the most; mostly because I had watched their adaptations on the Teen Titans cartoon when I was younger and enjoyed the storylines. Thanks for the reply, I guess all I can do is read all the material and wait for anything to be contradicted in the new continuity.

Yeah The Teen Titans cartoons adapted those two arcs very well. The original comic versions are even better. Yeah reading all you can would be the best thing to do

@Slaze: Coming from the biggest Fanboy on ComicVine:

• Everything on Nightwing's solo series is considered cannon. That means /nightwing/49-5755/.
• His Teen Titans time is very much confusing. Roy Harper isn't part of the Titans apparently, but he does know Starfire, which means that he should have been part of the Titans at some point. Figuring out what part is cannon is next to impossible.

@ReVamp said:

@Slaze: Coming from the biggest Fanboy on ComicVine:

• Everything on Nightwing's solo series is considered cannon. That means /nightwing/49-5755/.
• His Teen Titans time is very much confusing. Roy Harper isn't part of the Titans apparently, but he does know Starfire, which means that he should have been part of the Titans at some point. Figuring out what part is cannon is next to impossible.

Thanks for your reply, I'll make sure to pick up a few TPB's from Volume 2. I agree about the Teen Titans, atm I'm reading them purely for their story and not reading it as part of the current continuity.

@Slaze said:

Thanks for your reply, I'll make sure to pick up a few TPB's from Volume 2. I agree about the Teen Titans, atm I'm reading them purely for their story and not reading it as part of the current continuity.

• Also, Batman crossovers are also cannon.
• Interactions Between Nightwing and Heroes that aren't from the Bat-Family, should be considered non-cannon until otherwise stated.
• Volume 2 had some awesome parts, I'm reading it in its totality. ;)
• Also, yeah Teen Titans is awesome. You do well in reading it.

@nightwing91 said:

@ReVamp said:

@Slaze: Coming from the biggest Fanboy on ComicVine:

• Everything on Nightwing's solo series is considered cannon. That means /nightwing/49-5755/.
• His Teen Titans time is very much confusing. Roy Harper isn't part of the Titans apparently, but he does know Starfire, which means that he should have been part of the Titans at some point. Figuring out what part is cannon is next to impossible.

Woah where was this confirmed? I was under the impression only certain aspects of his previous series were canon. Like as in the previous solo series he was the owner of Haly's circus,something contradicted by this series. And haven't they said the relationship between Dick and Barbara has been retconned out?

@Morpheus_ said:

I'm not seeing how the Nightwing on-going series could possibly be canon in it entirety, seeing that several characters appeared in it whose personal continuity deviates from Dick's own significantly post reboot (Deathstroke or Ravager are both good examples), and the complete lack of Crisis events and their repercussions to Dick's life (Bludhaven bombing during Infinite Crisis, for instance), should also be noticeable.

Apologies to Slaze. I might not have explained myself as well as I have though.

Most of the events are considered characters:

• Except of course specific parts of the series which have been retconned such as Dick's ownership of the Haly Circus.
• Encounters that he has had with other individuals outside the Bat-Family, especfically but not limited to heroes. I'm not sure whether or not he knows Slade post-Revamp, but I'm leaning towards the no.
• Also, events that happened in the Crises may be canceled out. This is interesting since if Bludhaven wasn't destroyed, it might have never been part of the continuity, which raises red flags. I'm leaning towards the fact that he was in Bludhaven and it may or may not have been destroyed though.
• Specifically @nightwing91 I don't think that Nightwing's and Bab's relationship has been retconned, though it may be possible. We know for sure that their flirtation at Batgirl/Robin seems to have remained the same.
• The only reason I think that most things are that same is because DC has made it so that the Bat and GL properties have very minor changes compared to other DC properties.

@ArturoCalaKayVee: Yes, his age raises red flags as to which team he was a part of.

@danhimself said:

no it doesn't.....Nightwing has only been active for 4 years...Action Comics takes place 6 years ago

Where is that from? Because I highly doubt that's true.

@danhimself said:

there never was a Titans....the originals may or may not have teamed up under a different name at some point though....Roy does mention the other Titans to Starfire in the first issue of Red Hood and the Outlaws though trying to jog her memory...before they do it

There was. What you're probably misinterperting is the quote that Lobdell said that the Titans had never existed, but he was specifically talking about Tim's Titans, saying they never teamed up.

@ReVamp: Almost positive that Bludhaven has been referenced in the Higgins ongoing.

@danhimself said:

you may be right and they were saying that before the 52 started but I'm pretty sure there was interview just recently where they changed they're answer to this being the first Teen Titans team

I'm positive your misinterpreting the quote, which he later corrected. Not totally certain, but it wouldn't make sense otherwise.

@_Whisper_ said:

Almost positive that Bludhaven has been referenced in the Higgins ongoing.

Yeah, it'd be all kinds of mindf*ck if it hadn't been part of the history. What's actually needed is to know about the current state of the city. I hope he can go back to it, Clancy and Amy are awesome characters.

@ArturoCalaKayVee: It doesn't have to be 5 years. Batman goes before the time stamp, 5 years ago is when the first public heroes appeared, which Batman doesn't have to be a part of.

What about Dick's relationship with Superman?

I really wish that DC could be a bit more clear about the reboot, to me the reboot seems kind of pointless if anything that happened already COULD have happened in the new series anyway.

@danhimself: That's got to be wrong. If 5 years ago there was no Robin and Jason was trained as Robin for 2 years, then that leaves 1 and a half for Tim and Dick each, since we still need Damian era and Battle for the cowl and whatever. Doesn't make sense.

@danhimself said:

@ReVamp said:

@danhimself: That's got to be wrong. If 5 years ago there was no Robin and Jason was trained as Robin for 2 years, then that leaves 1 and a half for Tim and Dick each, since we still need Damian era and Battle for the cowl and whatever. Doesn't make sense.

Damian's time could easily be condensed to a few months worth of time...leaving 2 years for Dick and a year for Tim

Which makes no sense. Tim less time than Jason?

@Slaze: after the titans , you can read the outsiders. its like the grown-up version of the titans

@danhimself said:

@ReVamp said:

@danhimself said:

@ReVamp said:

@danhimself: That's got to be wrong. If 5 years ago there was no Robin and Jason was trained as Robin for 2 years, then that leaves 1 and a half for Tim and Dick each, since we still need Damian era and Battle for the cowl and whatever. Doesn't make sense.

Damian's time could easily be condensed to a few months worth of time...leaving 2 years for Dick and a year for Tim

Which makes no sense. Tim less time than Jason?

his time wasn't shorten out of Bruce kicking him out or anything...remember Bruce died...that's what caused Tim to stop being Robin

I meant that Tim is getting less time with Bats than Jason.

In my own head canon nothing has changed as far as his upbringing goes with batman in the new 52. I disagree with whoever said NW had a boring life up until batman stint. Actually things were looking up when Tomasi took over the title. He had his moments in different series/crossovers although I can't argue his ongoing was lackluster often times depending on the writer. It's kind of hard to explain to someone where exactly to start with Dick because he's constantly evolved as a character. My favorite interpretation is of course the wolfman/perez version. I truly believe during that era he was on top of the world, rivaling the likes of superman and batman in popularity.

Dick deserves it the most. Time with Batman I mean.

Thanks for the replies, I agree it is difficult for me as a new reader to know where to start with Dick. It is kind of annoying that Dick's time as Robin with Batman seems to have been short and fairly overlooked, it's also fairly difficult (and expensive) to find decent editions or omnibuses of the New Teen Titans. It would be nice for Dick's time as Robin to be revisited again, though I doubt that will happen anytime soon because of the confusion it'd cause. As for his time as Nightwing it's pretty difficult to link the pre-flashpoint to the current series as his relationship with Barbara is confirmed(?) to have been retconned...

It's all effed up. How is DC going to tell us not to worry about continuity when contradictions like this occur so frequently in the new 52? They have no clue how to explain the muck up

Main point lol DC screwed up. I think that flashback in Nightwing is going to be retconned eventually as it truly does not make sense to have the history of Dick, Jason, Tim and Damien as Robin put into 5 years. DC didn't plan this out well at all.

@Nathaniel_Christopher: So weird too because both Batman and Nightwing take place during the same time but Dick in NW looks huge compared to his wiry counterpart over in Batman. Nothing makes a lick of sense. Tony Daniel had an interview where he mistakedly cited Detective comics as having occured 5 years in the past, but after being quoted in a newsletter and upon reading it he later retracted his statement. So who are we supposed to believe. Are we all just being swindled or are things going to go back to the way they were soon. It's frustrating from a fans perspective

@SmoothJammin said:

@Nathaniel_Christopher: So weird too because both Batman and Nightwing take place during the same time but Dick in NW looks huge compared to his wiry counterpart over in Batman. Nothing makes a lick of sense. Tony Daniel had an interview where he mistakedly cited Detective comics as having occured 5 years in the past, but after being quoted in a newsletter and upon reading it he later retracted his statement. So who are we supposed to believe. Are we all just being swindled or are things going to go back to the way they were soon. It's frustrating from a fans perspective

Yeah... That Nightwing thing is probably wrong. Besides, he's like what, 11 there? 5 years would mean that he's 16 now, which ain't really the truth...

@ReVamp said:

@SmoothJammin said:

@Nathaniel_Christopher: So weird too because both Batman and Nightwing take place during the same time but Dick in NW looks huge compared to his wiry counterpart over in Batman. Nothing makes a lick of sense. Tony Daniel had an interview where he mistakedly cited Detective comics as having occured 5 years in the past, but after being quoted in a newsletter and upon reading it he later retracted his statement. So who are we supposed to believe. Are we all just being swindled or are things going to go back to the way they were soon. It's frustrating from a fans perspective

Yeah... That Nightwing thing is probably wrong. Besides, he's like what, 11 there? 5 years would mean that he's 16 now, which ain't really the truth...

Exactly. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever for it to have only been 5 years. A retcon's inevitable as far as i'm concerned. lol they just started and messed up from the very start.

@Nathaniel_Christopher: Which is kinda sad, but what can you do...