Can Nightwing surpass Batman?

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#1 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I think the Title says everything

What do you think?

Can the former boy wonder surpass the dark knight?

#2 Posted by Darkchild (40624 posts) - - Show Bio

i dont think so. Batman would have to die to be able to surpass him

#3 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"The real question is as popular as Batman is..do you think DC would let him surpass Batman?"

I agree with you in fact I think that one time I read that some guys from DC admitted that the reason Grayson hasn't surpassed Batman is because they have been holding it

#4 Posted by Vrakmul (23398 posts) - - Show Bio

He will only surpass batman when batman becomes a very very old man.

#5 Posted by Darkchild (40624 posts) - - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"The real question is as popular as Batman is..do you think DC would let him surpass Batman?"

yes and no

Yes because they are always wanting to up the anty on current characters. And personally i dont think Nightwing is getting crap of comics. his comics now are nothing of what he can truly do.

No because give me a break its freaking batman

#6 Posted by Vrakmul (23398 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwingprodigalson says:

"Dreadnaught says:
"He will only surpass batman when batman becomes a very very old man."

I'm not totally sure

NW is:

-More agile

-Way Younger and almost as his level

-Better Leader

-More natural warrior

And Batman is always saying that NW is surpassing him (at least since Donna's wedding)

"

Batman ages way more slowly than a normal person does . About ten times more slowly.

#7 Posted by Pink Awesome (123 posts) - - Show Bio

I cant see Nightwing surpassing Batman until Batman retires, but even then it isnt surpassing so much as just handing over the reins. Nightwing just doesnt have the said 'brilliant mind' that Wayne has.

#8 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"He will only surpass batman when batman becomes a very very old man."

I'm not totally sure

NW is:

-More agile

-Way Younger and almost as his level

-Better Leader

-More natural warrior

And Batman is always saying that NW is surpassing him (at least since Donna's wedding)

#9 Posted by Vrakmul (23398 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwingprodigalson says:

"Yeah NW will never be as smart as Batman but it doesn't mean he can't do it (if DC allows it)"

Very few comic book companies allow their cash cow character's to be exeeded, much less allow them a succsessor.

#10 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah NW will never be as smart as Batman but it doesn't mean he can't do it (if DC allows it)

#11 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Nightwingprodigalson says:
"Yeah NW will never be as smart as Batman but it doesn't mean he can't do it (if DC allows it)"

Very few comic book companies allow their cash cow character's to be exeeded, much less allow them a succsessor."

Yeah you're right but since Batman will probably be killed soon maybe NW will have his time to REALLY shine

#12 Posted by Vrakmul (23398 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwingprodigalson says:

"Dreadnaught says:
"Nightwingprodigalson says:
"Yeah NW will never be as smart as Batman but it doesn't mean he can't do it (if DC allows it)"

Very few comic book companies allow their cash cow character's to be exeeded, much less allow them a succsessor."

Yeah you're right but since Batman will probably be killed soon maybe NW will have his time to REALLY shine"

Look at superman, he's been here since 1938 and they still haven't allowed him to be exeeded, much less having a succsessor any time in the near future.

#13 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

Is a little bit diferent Superman didn't have a Succesor or a sidekick old enough and the only one near (superboy) was killed

Batman has his candidates of succesor decided

And besides Bruce Wayne can be killed but since Batman is a simbol they can still have it

#14 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

Tim Drake will surpase him in detective skills and maybe in inteligence

Grayson will surpase him in the other things

#15 Posted by Renegade Lantern (7285 posts) - - Show Bio

YES!!!!!!!!! He can!

#16 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84609 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman will never get old.

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#17 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"Every human has the ability to surpass another.Eventually DC will have to let him surpass BATMAN though because heroes will get old eventually."

agreed

#18 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"Every human has the ability to surpass another.Eventually DC will have to let him surpass BATMAN though because heroes will get old eventually."

actually no he won't...

of he at least has the technology available to him to live forever without any mortal damage affecting him

M

#19 Posted by Spectrum (4468 posts) - - Show Bio

A) You dont surpass Bat's he lets you through

B) Bat's will never die. Hes one of the big three WW, Sups and him arnt goign anywheer for a reall long time,

weather or not they get a new Batman i dont know, but what you should be asking is

can Nightwing surpass Bruce Wayne?

#20 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84609 posts) - - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"Every human has the ability to surpass another.Eventually DC will have to let him surpass BATMAN though because heroes will get old eventually."

Your talking like this is the real word. If Nightwing was going to surpass Batman, he would have done it already.

Dick Grayson isn't half the man Batman, was, is, and well become. Think about what your saying, Batman is part of the DCU Trinity. Can you honestly see Batman being gone, and Nightwing, NIGHTWING standing next to Superman and Wonder Woman? You guys are smoking crack.

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#21 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"It can happen."

The Tech that Supergirl sold him from Kandor (Supergirl issue 7) rewrites his DNA on the fly, giving him a healing factor that makes Wolverine look like a spastic with a guide dog.

he is truly immortal with that Tech

M

#22 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84609 posts) - - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"Methos says:
"Colt Python says:
"It can happen."
The Tech that Supergirl sold him from Kandor (Supergirl issue 7) rewrites his DNA on the fly, giving him a healing factor that makes Wolverine look like a spastic with a guide dog. he is truly immortal with that Tech M"

How do you know that somewhere down the line DC won't say "ya know what Batman is getting stale, not many writers are comin in to do this.Batman isn't fresh.lET'S DO SOMETHING NEW!.Let's have Bruce step down as Batman ad give Grayson and Drake a chance.""

60 plus years of Batman re-inviting himself. Thats how.

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#23 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

it might happen... but that would be against everything we know of Batman as a character...

he will never step down while there is still crime in the world, that is one of the founding basics of the character

M

#24 Posted by Eradicator (306 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Dick or Tim will surpass Bruce. Batman is one of the corner stones of the DC universe. To much has been invested in his persona, and he IS the measuring stick of bada$$ in D.C. Nightwing will always play second to Bats until they completely remove him from that picture. Batman has to many protege's floating around and in my opinion they have had ample opportunity to have Batman surpassed and have chose not to. They know there bread and butter!

#25 Posted by Spectrum (4468 posts) - - Show Bio

Eradicator says:

"I don't think Dick or Tim will surpass Bruce. Batman is one of the corner stones of the DC universe. To much has been invested in his persona, and he IS the measuring stick of bada$$ in D.C. Nightwing will always play second to Bats until they completely remove him from that picture. Batman has to many protege's floating around and in my opinion they have had ample opportunity to have Batman surpassed and have chose not to. They know there bread and butter!"

nicely said

#26 Posted by crazy spidey (3489 posts) - - Show Bio

not on my watch shoots Nighwing in the spine take that Bi4tch

#27 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

By accident I found this old interview from ign to Judd Winnick and I think he does make a point in case batman is replaced

IGN Comics: Could there or should there ever be a Batman other than Bruce Wayne?

JW: Well, unfortunately, I'm gonna give you the chickens--- answer that it all depends on the story. It depends on how it's done. It can be done really, really well in the short term. That's the thing, you can't ever permanently replace Batman. I think anybody reading that story knows that if someone else is putting on the cowl, it won't be forever. Because it can't be. The triumphant moment will come when [Bruce Wayne] returns. That's the story. The story is what happens before he comes back, it's not that he'll never be Batman again. It's foolish to even argue about that point. And foolish in the sense of going on message boards and saying, "I can't believe they replaced Batman." No they haven't, they replaced Batman for now. He's coming back and the point is how he's going to do that and that's going to be fascinating. And they're going to enjoy the ride until it happens.

#28 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84609 posts) - - Show Bio

Judd Winnick? Green Arrow fan boy Judd? Real World ass!@*$ Judd? That doesn't hold much weight for me. Sorry.
Post Edited:2007-11-01 23:04:56

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#29 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

King of Kings says:

"Judd Winnick? Green Arrow fan boy Judd? Real World ass!@*$ Judd? That doesn't hold much weight for me. Sorry.
Post Edited:2007-11-01 23:04:56"

ok the guy sucks but what he said about batman makes sense

#30 Posted by CasterDude (11 posts) - - Show Bio

I truely think dick nightwing can pass bruce he knows everything bruce knows and other stuff like from mr.terific.the question and every other super horo in the dcu and bruce is all self taut hes gunna pass him if dc allows it he should pass him he is ten fold better than bruce

#31 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Doesn't Batman have that gadget Kara gave him that makes him immortal or something? If that's the case, Nightwing'll be far from successful.

#32 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84609 posts) - - Show Bio

Eternal Chaos says:

"Doesn't Batman have that gadget Kara gave him that makes him immortal or something? If that's the case, Nightwing'll be far from successful."

Give this man a cigar lmao

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#33 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

Nighthunter says:

"Colt Python says:
"The real question is as popular as Batman is..do you think DC would let him surpass Batman?"
I agree with you in fact I think that one time I read that some guys from DC admitted that the reason Grayson hasn't surpassed Batman is because they have been holding it"

lol that's silly. they're all fictional characters! they arent holding him back. everything he does, they write for him. the reason he'll never surpass batman is because people like batman more.

#34 Posted by Vance Astro (91122 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparition says:

"Nighthunter says:
"Colt Python says:
"The real question is as popular as Batman is..do you think DC would let him surpass Batman?"
I agree with you in fact I think that one time I read that some guys from DC admitted that the reason Grayson hasn't surpassed Batman is because they have been holding it"

lol that's silly. they're all fictional characters! they arent holding him back. everything he does, they write for him. the reason he'll never surpass batman is because people like batman more."

True.

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#35 Posted by speedlgt (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

The thing that always rubs me wrong abut DC (and I love DC) is that they seem to be stuck on the trinty concept. thus anyone not the big 3 kinda will never get pushed as much. I dont see the reason behind that at all. DC has a ton of great heros (better than marvel in some respects) that could be pushed to limit and make them a ton of money. But DC will ony focus on the 3. Nightwing is caught up in that mix. I always saw nightwing as the one to lead the DCU in the future. In a world with out the big 3 Nightwing leads the JLA and thus leads the superhero community. the other thing I see is nightwing and Drake both being batman and making up for each others weak points. no one can repalce batman but those 2 in a combined efffort could do it

#36 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

speedlgt says:

"The thing that always rubs me wrong abut DC (and I love DC) is that they seem to be stuck on the trinty concept. thus anyone not the big 3 kinda will never get pushed as much. I dont see the reason behind that at all. DC has a ton of great heros (better than marvel in some respects) that could be pushed to limit and make them a ton of money. But DC will ony focus on the 3. Nightwing is caught up in that mix. I always saw nightwing as the one to lead the DCU in the future. In a world with out the big 3 Nightwing leads the JLA and thus leads the superhero community. the other thing I see is nightwing and Drake both being batman and making up for each others weak points. no one can repalce batman but those 2 in a combined efffort could do it"

you want them to get rid of the big three?

#37 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

speedlgt says:

"The thing that always rubs me wrong abut DC (and I love DC) is that they seem to be stuck on the trinty concept. thus anyone not the big 3 kinda will never get pushed as much. I dont see the reason behind that at all. DC has a ton of great heros (better than marvel in some respects) that could be pushed to limit and make them a ton of money. But DC will ony focus on the 3. Nightwing is caught up in that mix. I always saw nightwing as the one to lead the DCU in the future. In a world with out the big 3 Nightwing leads the JLA and thus leads the superhero community. the other thing I see is nightwing and Drake both being batman and making up for each others weak points. no one can repalce batman but those 2 in a combined efffort could do it"

To be fair Superman and Batman are the ones that get a lot of attention, sadly wonder woman doesn't get as much attention or appearances as the other two.

#38 Posted by speedlgt (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

not at all I like the big three But I see that nightwing has his place as the future. Problem the future is like 50 years away the way heros age.

#39 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84609 posts) - - Show Bio

Nighthunter says:

"speedlgt says:
"The thing that always rubs me wrong abut DC (and I love DC) is that they seem to be stuck on the trinty concept. thus anyone not the big 3 kinda will never get pushed as much. I dont see the reason behind that at all. DC has a ton of great heros (better than marvel in some respects) that could be pushed to limit and make them a ton of money. But DC will ony focus on the 3. Nightwing is caught up in that mix. I always saw nightwing as the one to lead the DCU in the future. In a world with out the big 3 Nightwing leads the JLA and thus leads the superhero community. the other thing I see is nightwing and Drake both being batman and making up for each others weak points. no one can repalce batman but those 2 in a combined efffort could do it"

To be fair Superman and Batman are the ones that get a lot of attention, sadly wonder woman doesn't get as much attention or appearances as the other two."

Thats true.

But I can agree with speedlgt to. Like in the issue of the new JLA when there picking teams. They look at the pic of Nightwing and they all agree he should be in, but Batman says no, he already asked and Dick turned them down. Now thats just dumb (in my opinion) that was a prefect opportunity to showcase Nightwing along side the Big Three. Show the readers how he matches up with the upper echelon of the DCU.

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#40 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Nighthunter says:

"speedlgt says:
"The thing that always rubs me wrong abut DC (and I love DC) is that they seem to be stuck on the trinty concept. thus anyone not the big 3 kinda will never get pushed as much. I dont see the reason behind that at all. DC has a ton of great heros (better than marvel in some respects) that could be pushed to limit and make them a ton of money. But DC will ony focus on the 3. Nightwing is caught up in that mix. I always saw nightwing as the one to lead the DCU in the future. In a world with out the big 3 Nightwing leads the JLA and thus leads the superhero community. the other thing I see is nightwing and Drake both being batman and making up for each others weak points. no one can repalce batman but those 2 in a combined efffort could do it"
To be fair Superman get a lot of attention..."

Get rid of Superman and the world will be better. LoL

#41 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

speedlgt says:

"not at all I like the big three But I see that nightwing has his place as the future. Problem the future is like 50 years away the way heros age. "

to tell you the truth as long as there is a dc i think superman, batman and wonderwoman will be about the same age they are now.

#42 Posted by Nighthunter (28580 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"Nighthunter says:
"speedlgt says:
"The thing that always rubs me wrong abut DC (and I love DC) is that they seem to be stuck on the trinty concept. thus anyone not the big 3 kinda will never get pushed as much. I dont see the reason behind that at all. DC has a ton of great heros (better than marvel in some respects) that could be pushed to limit and make them a ton of money. But DC will ony focus on the 3. Nightwing is caught up in that mix. I always saw nightwing as the one to lead the DCU in the future. In a world with out the big 3 Nightwing leads the JLA and thus leads the superhero community. the other thing I see is nightwing and Drake both being batman and making up for each others weak points. no one can repalce batman but those 2 in a combined efffort could do it"

To be fair Superman and Batman are the ones that get a lot of attention, sadly wonder woman doesn't get as much attention or appearances as the other two."

Thats true.

But I can agree with speedlgt to. Like in the issue of the new JLA when there picking teams. They look at the pic of Nightwing and they all agree he should be in, but Batman says no, he already asked and Dick turned them down. Now thats just dumb (in my opinion) that was a prefect opportunity to showcase Nightwing along side the Big Three. Show the readers how he matches up with the upper echelon of the DCU. "

well if I'm not wrong Nightwing has already declined membership in the justice league at least for times lol besides being the leader in the obsidian age, which had a very good lineup in my opinion

Also if I'm not mistaken, I think it was Meltzer the one that asked Didio to let Red Arrow be the titan that would join the JLA. And that Nightwing stayed with the outsiders, another thing that it's stupid in my opinion

and batman's personal opinion lol

#43 Posted by G'bandit (13689 posts) - - Show Bio

well it says that nightwing was one of dc's greatest and he didnt even had a comic yet so i really think he is superior... its just that batman is DC's baby... even if Dick was there since the bigining they even have tried to kill him.. but batman is still alive and kicking... i really think is just that DC dont let him be better.. but still he is..... x im waiting for the movie that is comming 2009 nightwing and the teen titans is already in development and i bet it kicks batman's hairy butt :p

#44 Posted by blade hunter (1813 posts) - - Show Bio

im not to sure about nightwing over taking batman but i think tim drake will

#45 Posted by charmanderomega (6 posts) - - Show Bio

i think if nightwing and batman were in a battle to the death they would both die

#46 Posted by John Valentine (16296 posts) - - Show Bio

Nighthunter said:

NW is:

-More agile

-Way Younger and almost as his level

-Better Leader

-More natural warrior

And Batman is always saying that NW is surpassing him (at least since Donna's wedding.

Hmmm... Nightwing is what in his early twenties? Bruce must be approaching his mid-late thirties by now......

Nightwwing is so close to Batman's skill levels at a reasonably young age but it must be kept in mind that he's been a crime fighter since he was twelve and he's been trained in acrobatics since before that. Moreover, Nightwing was trained by Batman himself.

Nightwing may not be as clever but he will surpases Batman as a crime-fighter. Tim Drake on the other hand will become a better detective.

#47 Posted by lordraiden (6949 posts) - - Show Bio

Can he surpass him (Batman)? Yes! Will he surpass him? That's left up to the imagination of the writer and the credibility of the story :-)

#48 Posted by knife (59 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing is the ONLY one who can replace Batman or take over the cowl,
he has more intelligence and he is also more human then Batman.

#49 Posted by NightFang (9904 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
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Tim Drake will surpase him in detective skills and maybe in inteligence

Grayson will surpase him in the other things

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#50 Posted by Precise (22883 posts) - - Show Bio

No, but he could equal him.

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