@sentryman555 said:
@Super_SoldierXII said:
@sentryman555 said:
@Super_SoldierXII said:
Batman's a wuss.
He should have skinned this 'Joker' alive years and years ago. (But, the plot must go on.)
As far as I'm concerned, a portion of the blood from all the deaths that have occurred after (let's be generous) say, the third time Bruce put the Joker away till today is on Batman's hands.
A man that sick, that beyond repair, that twisted needs to be put down ... permanently. There's no place in a sane world for man turned monster to such an extreme degree.
Just the dozens of cop's lives alone for crissakes ...
Well you could argue its not Batman's fault its really the court system in Gotham. They're the ones that don't execute him but instead let the insanity claim ride.
Sure. I don't have a problem with that. Still, clever ole Batman has no trouble taking things into his own hands on every other level ... he is a Vigilante after all - taking the law into his own hands is his forte by trade.
Not finishing a job that obviously needs finishing is a weak handful of BS. He should have caught on already that the legal system cannot possible hold the Joker and does not hold him accountable either.
Yeah but then we go into the whole its part of Batman's code never to kill and if he started killing his villains he'd be just as bad as they are. Its one thing to stop them but when Batman starts to decide he has the power to kill who he deems deserves it he becomes corrupt and what he represents is shattered.
OK. We want to get pedantic and philosophic somewhat about this, let's do so;
I understand the ideology, and in most cases life is indeed sacrosanct (and hey, people make mistakes. It's how we learn). Despite mistakes made, some very serious mistakes, I fully believe in an individuals right to life and to make amends ...
I believe 'criminals' (what a tired term) need to be educated, shown a better way and taught to care by being cared for, more than they need to be ostracized, punished, hated and made to suffer (we're really all like 'big' kids in a very real sense). That just teaches more hate, propagates more angry responses and teaches more violence. Basic human psychology 101 (and yet still we ignore it). Let's face it, many of today's more violent criminals were shown little save violence growing up (doesn't help that such is romanticized everywhere in today's media as well).
That said, our penal system has two main goals; to reform and to protect society. When the system in place fails miserably at both (and we do in 'real life' fail miserably as well I'm afraid), and you do nothing, then you too are responsible when failing in your job costs lives.
It's like a fireman watching a house burn down whilst doing absolutely nothing. Now imagine a couple dozen people inside (men, women, children). Not cool.
It's not like I'm suggesting Batman start 'bataranging' shoplifters to death. The treatment of an individual needs to fit the crime and in so doing, to meet the need of society, and of the greater good.
Personally, I think it's a cop out to believe Batman would become anything like the criminals he puts away should the situation necessitate the taking of a life. If I know a psychotic lunatic was gunning for my girlfriend or any member of my family, and the only way to permanently guarantee their safety meant this bloodthirsty mass murdering psychopath had to be put down, you can be damn sure I'd put him down.
Does not make me a murdering psychopath. It makes me a responsible caregiver, provider and protector of those I love and in loving, have sworn to protect in life.
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