so is deadpool a hero or villian

Posted by jayskee (1905 posts) - - Show Bio

okay so first deadpool was trying to become a hero, but ghost rider said he deserves to die, he still kills people for money and he is on the cover of villian: heroic age so is he a hero or villian 
#1 Edited by PumpkinBomb (493 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither. He's a lunatic.

#2 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio
@PumpkinBomb said:
" He's a lunatic. "
This.
#3 Posted by brc2000 (1679 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither, but if it had to be one or the other I'd pick villain. He's definitely nowhere near being a hero, no matter how many times he may have helped save the world or whatnot. If people as harmless as Catwoman and Black Fox can be considered as villains, then there's no way Deadpool is a hero.

#4 Posted by DEADPOOL (2702 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadpool has always been hired by good/bad people to kill/screw over other bad people. Although he also sometimes takes missions against other "players" (other costumed folk), although he has showed a preference not to kill them, except for Cable; and if I remember correctly, Genesis told Deadpool some bad stuff about Cable. Deadpool also prefers not to kill unless they deserve it or are trying to kill him. His conscience has also gotten him in trouble in the past, such as when one of his marks turned out to be a pretty good man, or when he was sizzled to a crisp to stop a gamma explosion that he was tricked into causing. Deadpool is also very protective of his friends (even if he can be a little rough with them sometimes), and will go the extra mile for them. 
 
Deadpool is chaotic neutral who wants to be a hero.

#5 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio
@PumpkinBomb said:
" Neither. He's a lunatic. "
LOL, true.
#6 Edited by Abnormally Warm Guy (1297 posts) - - Show Bio

He is a villain. He may do good deeds but he does them for selfish reasons making him not a hero.

#7 Posted by brc2000 (1679 posts) - - Show Bio

You don't need to be evil to be a villain. I'd say most chaotic neutral characters are villains.

#8 Posted by Theodore (3445 posts) - - Show Bio
@DEADPOOL said:
" Deadpool is chaotic neutral who wants to be a hero. "
#9 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

He is an AntiHero/AntiVillain, he is not neutral, he is not Good, but he is not bad.
Other AntiHero/Antivillain is V from V for Vendetta.

#10 Posted by Terran (580 posts) - - Show Bio
@PumpkinBomb said:
" Neither. He's a lunatic. "
So is the Joker and he's a villain.
#11 Edited by brc2000 (1679 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadpool isn't anywhere near as heroic as V and they aren't similarly aligned. V's done some bad stuff, but for what he believes to be a good cause.

#12 Posted by PumpkinBomb (493 posts) - - Show Bio
@Terran said:
" @PumpkinBomb said:
" Neither. He's a lunatic. "
So is the Joker and he's a villain. "
There's method in his madness. He has principles.
#13 Posted by Terran (580 posts) - - Show Bio
@PumpkinBomb said:
" @Terran said:
" @PumpkinBomb said:
" Neither. He's a lunatic. "
So is the Joker and he's a villain. "
There's method in his madness. He has principles. "
Most crazy's in comic's have method in their madness. he has principles that he can't keep. 
#14 Posted by Mighty_Destroyer (72 posts) - - Show Bio

He'll be what you want him to be as long as the money is right.

#15 Posted by ckal (1097 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not too sure what's going on with him now, but he's been struggling with this hero decision since the Joe Kelly days, and apparently it is still going on. 
 
He is a part of the Uncanny X-Force right now though, so there are some hero points for him there. 
 
Bottom line, I guess being a merc doesn't make you a hero. It doesn't make you a villain either.

#16 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio
@brc2000 said:

" Deadpool isn't anywhere near as heroic as V and they aren't similarly aligned. V's done some bad stuff, but for what he believes to be a good cause. "

That make him an AntiVillain, V is not heroic, he just does what he think is the rigth thing, he dont care if people die, he dont care anything, he just care about his vision and his moral code.
V is not a hero, even when people say he is.
#17 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

A popular Antihero

#18 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12395 posts) - - Show Bio

anti-hero   who wants to be a real hero
#19 Edited by The Lobster (1479 posts) - - Show Bio

He's not a hero
He's not a villian
He's not really an anti hero
 
He's a mercenary. 
 
He doesn't care if what he's doing is good or bad, he's just in it for personal gain (money, self satisfaction, or attention). He'll assassinate someone and save a kitten from a tree if it means he get's some form of payment.

#20 Posted by hydrabob (14977 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadpool is misunderstood he was a villain and now he realizes that, that was bad and wants to become a hero
problem is everyone already know how crazy and evil Deadpool was so they won't trust him or work with him
 
If you doubt any of this just read Deadpool :X Marks the Spot he goes to the X-Men wanting to join them trying to find purpose and Cyclops told him "Hell No". but in the end Deadpool made it look like he was the shooter and had the X-Men beat him up on National Television to improve their image to the world and get Norman Osborn off their back.
 
In Deadpool:Monkey Business After having a small run in with Deadpool (not even sure he knew it was Deadpool) Spider-man finds a room filled with dead bodies and after a cop tells him the bodies were killed by a professional he immediately assumes it was Deadpool that did it. As soon as SM found DP he just started beating the crap out of him he didn't confirm it was him or anything just started wailing on him DP is just taking not even trying to defend himself. After DP proves that he didn't kill the people he works with SM to get the real killer and Deadpool still ends up in prison but the Spider busts him out and tells him what it is to be a real hero and but it doesn't seem like Deadpool really understands
 
 Deadpool is a hero he just isn't you conventional hero like everything else he does

#21 Posted by Abnormally Warm Guy (1297 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob: Deadpool is whatever will give him recognition. 
 
Spider-man said it best in monkey business "You don't want to be a hero, you want to be loved for being one. There's a difference." "No there's not." 
 
Deadpool is a hero for selfish reasons. He is co-dependent and needs others to need him. 
 
In the 90's he accomplished this be being th best gun for hire you could get. Villains wanted him and came to him first. They were not "friends" but they were close to Deadpool or as close as anyone could be. 
 
Then he tried to be a hero in the early 2000's and save the world but didn't like all the responsibility it gave him and he eventually relapsed into criminal behavior. Then he kept to himself until Cable tried to bring him to the light side. After Cable "died" Deadpool tried to keep up his friend's legacy by being good. 
 
But Deadpool couldn't keep it up. His heroism didn't get him the praise he wanted and when the Secret Invasion occurred his biggest accomplishment was stolen by Norman Osborn so he gave up being a "hero" and went after whatever got him money (which he lacked) and Osborn himself for ruining everything. After he defeated Osborn and Osborn's eventual fall from power Deadpool decided to try heroism once again. But if his past shows anything he will soon get bored with it and fall back into old habits.
#22 Posted by hydrabob (14977 posts) - - Show Bio
@Abnormally Warm Guy said:
Spider-man said it best in monkey business "You don't want to be a hero, you want to be loved for being one. There's a difference." "No there's not."  Deadpool is a hero for selfish reasons. He is co-dependent and needs others to need him. But Deadpool couldn't keep it up. His heroism didn't get him the praise he wanted and when the Secret Invasion occurred his biggest accomplishment was stolen by Norman Osborn so he gave up being a "hero" and went after whatever got him money (which he lacked) and Osborn himself for ruining everything. After he defeated Osborn and Osborn's eventual fall from power Deadpool decided to try heroism once again. But if his past shows anything he will soon get bored with it and fall back into old habits. "
the one thing I don't get is that Deadpool was dealing with the X-Men and Spider-man during Norman Osborns rain of terror
and if you read X marks the Spot then that show Deadpool being a hero, not someone who wants to be loved by all but helping out those in need the best way that he could
Everyone recognized deadpool as a villain so him attacking that guy would have been no shock to anyone it makes sense but since we know what he was doing we can see that, that was heroic
#23 Posted by Abnormally Warm Guy (1297 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob: No, in "X marks the spot" he tries to get into the x-men family. He wants more than anything to be accepted by the "cool kids". To him the "cool kids" are the X-men. he has always wanted to be one. He has never been one nor will he ever be one (and don't say X-force! X-force is a private hit squad for Wolverine completely divulged from the Mutant dream. The x-men don't even know about it.) 
 
Deadpool did in "x marks the spot" what he thought the X-men would like him for. NOT what HE thought was right. His moral compass is skewed but he doesn't listen to it if it won't get him what he immediately wants. 
 
Cyclops knew this and knew Deadpool would eventually show his true colors hence not letting him join.
#24 Posted by brc2000 (1679 posts) - - Show Bio
@DeathpooltheT1000 said:
" @brc2000 said:

" Deadpool isn't anywhere near as heroic as V and they aren't similarly aligned. V's done some bad stuff, but for what he believes to be a good cause. "

That make him an AntiVillain, V is not heroic, he just does what he think is the rigth thing, he dont care if people die, he dont care anything, he just care about his vision and his moral code. V is not a hero, even when people say he is. "
I know he's not a hero, but he still fits the heroic mold more than Deadpool. Deadpool would kill an innocent family if the pay was right.
#25 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio
@brc2000 said:
" @DeathpooltheT1000 said:
" @brc2000 said:

" Deadpool isn't anywhere near as heroic as V and they aren't similarly aligned. V's done some bad stuff, but for what he believes to be a good cause. "

That make him an AntiVillain, V is not heroic, he just does what he think is the rigth thing, he dont care if people die, he dont care anything, he just care about his vision and his moral code. V is not a hero, even when people say he is. "
I know he's not a hero, but he still fits the heroic mold more than Deadpool. Deadpool would kill an innocent family if the pay was right. "
V Killed mthousand meaby millions of humans, just for his crazy idea of what was rigth.
Why he is more heroic that Deadpool?
Deadpool is good for selfish reasons, but V is more selfish that Deadpool and killed more people.
#26 Posted by eagleclaweight (15 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Lobster said:
" He's not a hero He's not a villian He's not really an anti hero  He's a mercenary.   He doesn't care if what he's doing is good or bad, he's just in it for personal gain (money, self satisfaction, or attention). He'll assassinate someone and save a kitten from a tree if it means he get's some form of payment. "
sounds about right. But if i had to chose one of the two answers we started with, I'd say hero. he has good character and he is only as crazy as he is because of all the shit he's been through. I remember in one of the earlier comics he had to stop a bomb from going off. S.H.I.E.L.D. hired him. His old watch goes off to remind him of a bet he made as a kid and leaves the job to follow up on his bet. so his brain don't work. big whop. he keeps his word and that important...ish.
#27 Posted by CrimsonComedian (328 posts) - - Show Bio

I only have three words to say:
 
Screw you, Way.

#28 Posted by The Lobster (1479 posts) - - Show Bio
@CrimsonComedian said:
" I only have three words to say:  Screw you, Way. "
Wait I thought you liked Way, please tell me what happened to make you say this!!!
#29 Posted by ShirEPanjshir (585 posts) - - Show Bio

You can't really call Deadpool a hero, nor a villain. He isn't exactly a hero, because lets face it, he's done some pretty bad stuff. ( But than again; so has Wolverine and countless others who have either (been) reformed from a villain into a hero ). He also isn't exactly a villain, because he has saved the world and aligned with the heroes of numerous occasions and mostly when it really counts he does do the right thing. He isn't exactly a real merc anymore for a while either, apart from that one part where he shot a pizza guy or such? ( Worst writing ever by Way ) but I think it was the only transgression of that kind in quite a while. 
 
To me: Deadpool is to be considered like a neglected child growing up in a bad neighborhood but with good at the core of him. I'm sure that if he could be pointed in the right direction, to have a sort of father figure or such guide him ( like Cable kind of did during the Cable & Deadpool series ). That he could be a pretty fine hero. But he can't do it on his own, since he lacks the faith in himself and he lacks the self-control to do so. As it's been said: it is easier to be a villain, than it is to be a hero.

#30 Posted by brc2000 (1679 posts) - - Show Bio

Deadpool has lower standards than Deadshot. He's not a hero.

#31 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio
@brc2000 said:
" Deadpool has lower standards than Deadshot. He's not a hero. "
But that dont mean he is a villian
#32 Posted by Terran (580 posts) - - Show Bio

He pretty much is a villain but his character doesn't believe so, he kills/steals for a living or only does something for money which is not what a hero does. 
 
He's a anti-hero..

#33 Posted by gethere (164 posts) - - Show Bio

I go with he pretty much go with deadpool being an anti-hero, because from what I  understand the definition of a villain is not really deadpool character he for the most part is a good person, he just selfish. Which for the most part is what a lot of anti-heroes are like as well. 

#34 Posted by hydrabob (14977 posts) - - Show Bio

Here is how I see it the latest Deadpool issue Steve Rodgers said Deadpool is a hero. you can look it up for yourselves but to me if Captain America says you are a hero you are simply a fact.

#35 Posted by Capo_Del_Bandito (278 posts) - - Show Bio
@PumpkinBomb:
@jayskee:
 
As per Daniel Way (who really doesn't do anything new or original for the life of him) in last month's issue of DP, "Deadpool is not psychotic..but Moon Knight is". Lunatic would fall under that ill defined catagory.
 
 As per his status: He occasionally strives to be a hero. The first time was because he thought he could be one, could make a difference, but that was dashed to bits because he realized he'd have to do soemthing unhero-like to save the world. This in turn made him snap for a bit.
 
Later when attempting to be a hero during the Civil War he simply wanted to 'be a good guy'. 
 
And when Daniel Way decided "Whelp, I've got nothing to bring to the plate, let's rehash the 'hero' idea' he made Deadpool a whiney attention whoring barely functional retard. 
 
So it's basically up to the writer. For the most part he's a merc unless something strikes a personal chord with him.
#36 Posted by Capo_Del_Bandito (278 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob: In the mighty marvel crossover bits in the main DP series it wasn't about being a hero it was about moping and wanting to be loved and accepted and Deadpool was more or less turned into a meta-human Paris Hilton.
 
As for the "If Captain America says you're a hero, you're a hero', keep in mind this is Daniel Way writing it, and the man has no idea what characterization is, so that's iffy at best.
#37 Posted by Telcalipoca (957 posts) - - Show Bio

the man stated he would kill a baby if paid right doesnt mean hell like it but hell do it such talk does not come from a hero or even anti hero.He's neither good or bad hell be what he feels like being given the situation or who wants him to do what.

#38 Posted by dewboy01 (1876 posts) - - Show Bio
@PumpkinBomb:
a lunatic that won't shut the F$%^K UP!!!
#39 Posted by Nessima (57 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither, marvel seems to keep reseting his character development so he goes from Nice guy to asshole over and over

#40 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

The Byronic hero/villain is an idealised but flawed character
 

The Byronic hero typically exhibits several of the following traits:

  • a strong sense of arrogance
  • high level of intelligence and perception
  • cunning and able to adapt
  • suffering from an unnamed crime
  • a troubled past
  • sophisticated and educated
  • self-critical and introspective
  • mysterious, magnetic and charismatic
  • struggling with integrity
  • power of seduction and sexual attraction
  • social and sexual dominance
  • emotional conflicts, bipolar tendencies, or moodiness
  • a distaste for social institutions and norms
  • being an exile, an outcast, or an outlaw
  • "dark" attributes not normally associated with a hero
  • disrespect of rank and privilege
  • jaded, world-weary
  • cynicism
  • self-destructive behavior
 
#41 Posted by The_Assassin_ (17389 posts) - - Show Bio

He's a mercenary, therefore he's neither. he can be on which ever side he wants or whichever is willing to pay him more. 
 
Whenever a group of heroes  and villains are fighting and Ol' Deadpool shows up they always get real nervous because they never know who he's gonna side with. 
 
Recently though he's been trying to become a good guy despite a few setbacks.

#42 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mikepool said:
" He's a mercenary, therefore he's neither. he can be on which ever side he wants or whichever is willing to pay him more.   Whenever a group of heroes  and villains are fighting and Ol' Deadpool shows up they always get real nervous because they never know who he's gonna side with.   Recently though he's been trying to become a good guy despite a few setbacks. "
Ppointless and lame argument, is like say, Do9ck Ock is a Doctor neither a hero or a villain.
#43 Edited by The_Assassin_ (17389 posts) - - Show Bio
@DeathpooltheT1000: What does the fact that Doctor Octopus being a doctor have to do with him being good or evil? Everyone KNOWS Doc's evil. Deadpool is a M-E-R-C-E-N-A-R-Y therefore he can choose whose side he's on, He isn't inclined to hate either side or is he declined to help either. Sorry it took so long for me to reply.
#44 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mikepool:No problem, yeah, but that he is morally grey, dont mean he is a merc, many morally grey characters are good guys or bad guys.
Example Jack Sparrow is a good guy and he is a morally grey character.
#45 Posted by Mee09 (421 posts) - - Show Bio

I am going with what Deadpool said.

#46 Posted by FMStyyx (738 posts) - - Show Bio

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

The Byronic hero/villain is an idealised but flawed character

The Byronic hero typically exhibits several of the following traits:

  • a strong sense of arrogance
  • high level of intelligence and perception
  • cunning and able to adapt
  • suffering from an unnamed crime
  • a troubled past
  • sophisticated and educated
  • self-critical and introspective
  • mysterious, magnetic and charismatic
  • struggling with integrity
  • power of seduction and sexual attraction
  • social and sexual dominance
  • emotional conflicts, bipolar tendencies, or moodiness
  • a distaste for social institutions and norms
  • being an exile, an outcast, or an outlaw
  • "dark" attributes not normally associated with a hero
  • disrespect of rank and privilege
  • jaded, world-weary
  • cynicism
  • self-destructive behavior

I like this 1

#47 Edited by FullmetalChobit (218 posts) - - Show Bio

He's a crazy b*tch who kills people for money. He doesn't need an a allegiance. He's DEADPOOL!

#48 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

He's simply deadpool, merc with a mouth who happens to like shooting things and blowing sh!t up while making pop culture references

#49 Posted by htb106 (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

Anti-hero.

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