Does he really break the Fourth Wall?

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#1 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Over on the Deadpool's Softer Side topic, I came up with a theory regarding Deadpool's mental instability and his power to break the Fourth Wall.
 
What if he's just guessing? Look at it this way; you have cancer, and in order to remove it you go through the most unimaginably awful procedure. After which, you have limbs blown off, bones broken and people trying to kill everyday of your life; and you're still fine. Only you're not, you're a hideously disfigured mutate. How would you react? You'd flip out and that's exactly what Deadpool did. But rather gaining some new awareness, is it possible that Wade has simply gone "No way did this happen for real. This is someone's idea of a joke. What kind of weirdo would think this up? Where in the world would this make sense?"
 
"Comic Books."
 
It may just be a hilarious coincidence that he is capable of breaking the Fourth Wall, when in fact, he just happened to guess he was in the right media form. 
 
Just a theory I came up with, thanks for reading :)
 
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(Damnit, I was going to make this a blog. I'm never going to get that Chaste Monk quest.)

#2 Posted by Abnormally Warm Guy (1297 posts) - - Show Bio

Whether it is a coping mechanism or not he's still breaking the fourth wall. I find it a very interesting topic too.

#3 Posted by NexusOfLight (1715 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, yeah. He is just guessing. The dude's head is screwy. That's always how I saw it. That's still how I view it. But does that mean his "guess," as we've so dubbed it, is wrong? No. So by definition, he is breaking the fourth wall.

#4 Posted by Jotham (4564 posts) - - Show Bio

He can't be guessing, he knows too much info from the real world. Like, how would he know that Tobey Maguire played Spider-Man in the Spider-Man movie?

#5 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not a guess. He's called out Rob Liefield dozens of times and joked about the pouches. He's referenced his EDITOR!
#6 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jotham said:
" He can't be guessing, he knows too much info from the real world. Like, how would he know that Tobey Maguire played Spider-Man in the Spider-Man movie? "
@InnerVenom123 said:
" It's not a guess. He's called out Rob Liefield dozens of times and joked about the pouches. He's referenced his EDITOR! "
Heh, true. You're right. I was trying to think of a semi-logical way that he could do it. 
 
Of course, trying to inject realism into a world where people with unique genetic codes can manipulate the weather and grow an organic metal exoskeleton is probably a silly idea lol.
#7 Posted by Sexy Merc (42075 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure he breaks it. Kyle has broken it numerous times as well, lol, but he is an avid comic/manga fan.

#8 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sexy Merc said:
" I'm pretty sure he breaks it. Kyle has broken it numerous times as well, lol, but he is an avid comic/manga fan. "
That scene where he makes the Gurren Lagann mecha is just about the most epic scene in comic book history.
#9 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
" I'm pretty sure he breaks it. Kyle has broken it numerous times as well, lol, but he is an avid comic/manga fan. "
That scene where he makes the Gurren Lagann mecha is just about the most epic scene in comic book history. "

O_o scan...?
#10 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
" I'm pretty sure he breaks it. Kyle has broken it numerous times as well, lol, but he is an avid comic/manga fan. "
That scene where he makes the Gurren Lagann mecha is just about the most epic scene in comic book history. "
O_o scan...? "
I haven't read the issue, just seen the scan myself. Sorry, mate.
#11 Posted by JosephLaforte (69 posts) - - Show Bio

If I remember correctly, Loki told Deadpool he was a comic book character. Prove me right or wrong somebody.

#12 Posted by spiderguylll (620 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt:  whats the issue number u guys are talking about
#13 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@spiderguylll: Which one?
#14 Posted by spiderguylll (620 posts) - - Show Bio

The one about " That scene where he makes the Gurren Lagann mecha is just about the most epic scene in comic book history."

#15 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@spiderguylll: Nah, sorry mate, like I said, I've only seen the scan myself. Sorry!
#16 Posted by Abnormally Warm Guy (1297 posts) - - Show Bio
@JosephLaforte:  he did but Deadpool knew before that too. So you're right and wrong.Congrats you win.
#17 Posted by N7_Normandy (2430 posts) - - Show Bio

He can't be guessing; he appears to be aware of many details and cultural phenomenons that exist in the real world.

#18 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (10887 posts) - - Show Bio

He say random thing, and for a reason, turn that they are real?
I mean, he knows the names of people that works on his comic, how he doule know that?

#19 Posted by D3athstroke (3917 posts) - - Show Bio

 


#20 Posted by CATMANEXE (17052 posts) - - Show Bio

I've yet to see an example of it with him personally, but I might be looking the wrong direction?

#21 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (10887 posts) - - Show Bio
@D3athstroke said:

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Sweet, he breack the fourth wall so hard, that he could go into our dimension.
#22 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd consider it a superpower.

#23 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (10887 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReverseNegative said:
" I'd consider it a superpower. "
No, that is his common sense.
#24 Posted by Capo_Del_Bandito (278 posts) - - Show Bio
@DeathpooltheT1000: ...The fourth wall *is* our 'dimension'.
#25 Posted by Abnormally Warm Guy (1297 posts) - - Show Bio
@Capo_Del_Bandito: technically the "4th wall" would be the bridge between our realities.
#26 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio
@Capo_Del_Bandito said:
" @DeathpooltheT1000: ...The fourth wall *is* our 'dimension'. "
The fourth wall is the barrier between fiction and reality. It's based on how a stage would have three walls, backstage, stage right, and stage left, there is an invisible "fourth wall" which prevents the characters from exiting fiction and entering reality. Now, while Deadpool obviously can't actually exist, he can peek his head out after breaking it and crack a joke or two about Rob Liefield's pouches, or whatnot.
#27 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:
" @Capo_Del_Bandito said:
" @DeathpooltheT1000: ...The fourth wall *is* our 'dimension'. "
The fourth wall is the barrier between fiction and reality. It's based on how a stage would have three walls, backstage, stage right, and stage left, there is an invisible "fourth wall" which prevents the characters from exiting fiction and entering reality. Now, while Deadpool obviously can't actually exist, he can peek his head out after breaking it and crack a joke or two about Rob Liefield's pouches, or whatnot. "

That joke was in the Secret Invasion, wan't it?
#28 Posted by Delta Red (222 posts) - - Show Bio

Yup, in Deadpool #2 (Way's run)
#29 Posted by ckal (1099 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt:  Yeah, Deadpool has broken the 4th wall. If you are talking about a character speaking of TV shows, movies, prominent figures, other heroes like Iron Fist and Nova have done it as well. 
 
If you are talking about obtaining and speaking about they're own comics, other than Deadpool, I only know of Supreme (he obtained a copy of his own comic, which he flipped through to find out how to defeat a powerful dimensional imp) having done that.  Deadpool has also referenced previous issues of his comics and IIRC other characters' comics as well.
 
If you are talking about a character speaking about editors, writers, directly to the readers, etc, I believe only Deadpool has done that.
#30 Posted by Capo_Del_Bandito (278 posts) - - Show Bio
@ckal: Ambush Bug does that regularly. She-Hulk talked directly to her writer all the time.
#31 Posted by ckal (1099 posts) - - Show Bio
@Capo_Del_Bandito said:
" @ckal: Ambush Bug does that regularly. She-Hulk talked directly to her writer all the time. "
Ok, cool. I don't read them so I should have specified "Deadpool is the only character I know that does that" (about the last part)
#32 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (10887 posts) - - Show Bio

Even Heath Ledger Joker, breacks the fourt wall, during the tdk campaign, he say once, See you in December.

#33 Posted by Broman_1412 (121 posts) - - Show Bio
#34 Posted by Mutant God (3023 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder about that he is suppose to be crazy, if someone in real life did that it would be crazy

#35 Edited by segamarvel (620 posts) - - Show Bio

Meh. Even Spidey can do it. The fact that he's holding the same comic that he's in is about as far as a fourth wall can be broken.

#36 Edited by The Lobster (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

Meh. Even Spidey can do it. The fact that he's holding the same comic that he's in is about as far as a fourth wall can be broken.

I don't think covers count as actual 4th wall breaking, since.....you know.....what's on the cover usually never happens in the actual story.

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#37 Posted by segamarvel (620 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_lobster_:

Doesn't change the fact that the skrull invasion Scan was flat out 4th wall broken.

#38 Posted by The Lobster (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_lobster_:

Doesn't change the fact that the skrull invasion Scan was flat out 4th wall broken.

Yeah, I'll give yeah that one.....gotta admit though, it's almost unsettling seeing Spider-man copying a trait Deadpool has been doing for years (Right around the height of Deadpool's popularity). I actually kind of shivered reading it.

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#39 Edited by segamarvel (620 posts) - - Show Bio

@segamarvel said:

@the_lobster_:

Doesn't change the fact that the skrull invasion Scan was flat out 4th wall broken.

Yeah, I'll give yeah that one.....gotta admit though, it's almost unsettling seeing Spider-man copying a trait Deadpool has been doing for years (Right around the height of Deadpool's popularity). I actually kind of shivered reading it.

Why is that? Spidey actually did this long before Wade was even a thought. This scan right here is from Spidey's FIRST official issue.

#40 Edited by The Lobster (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

@segamarvel said:

@the_lobster_ said:

@segamarvel said:

@the_lobster_:

Doesn't change the fact that the skrull invasion Scan was flat out 4th wall broken.

Yeah, I'll give yeah that one.....gotta admit though, it's almost unsettling seeing Spider-man copying a trait Deadpool has been doing for years (Right around the height of Deadpool's popularity). I actually kind of shivered reading it.

Why is that? Spidey actually did this long before Wade was even a thought. This scan right here is from Spidey's FIRST official issue.

Haha, That's a recap page. Once again, like the covers it's not a part of the overall story and thus isn't part of marvel universe continuity. Just as the letters pages don't count as Deadpool continuity in his new series.

Yes Spider-man does break the forth-wall, but only outside of the Marvel Universe established universe. Deadpool however breaks the forth-wall inside the established universe. So he has forth-wall awareness in their characters "real life." Unlike Spider-man who is often confused with Deadpool's forth-wall breaking statements when they meet.

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#41 Posted by segamarvel (620 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_lobster_: Doesn't the original movies count? Tobey Magiure was Narrating his story to the audience. Their are also Spider-man video games where Spidey is actually pointing out the mechanics of the video game physics.

#42 Edited by segamarvel (620 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_lobster_: Spidey is obviously breaking the 4th wall in this comic (which in turn means it's in continuity). He even mentions She-Hulk's anniversary comic and about the panels on the page.

#43 Edited by The Lobster (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_lobster_: Spidey is obviously breaking the 4th wall in this comic (which in turn means it's in continuity). He even mentions She-Hulk's anniversary comic and about the panels on the page.

Touche.

Once again though....kinda disturbing seeing that. Hah

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#44 Posted by segamarvel (620 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_lobster_: Why is it ok when She-Hulk did it even though Spidey's the funny one? Oh well, to each his own.

#45 Posted by The Lobster (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_lobster_: Why is it ok when She-Hulk did it even though Spidey's the funny one? Oh well, to each his own.

It's not that it's not funny, it's just that the only reason Deadpool breaks the forth-wall is because he has a lose grip on reality. Which allows him to peer through the veil of his own creation and joke about things outside his existence.

When She-Hulk or Spider-man do it.....it's kinda like saying that "Spider-man and She-Hulk are just as insane in the head as Deadpool is." That's what's disturbing to me.

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#46 Posted by segamarvel (620 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_lobster_: Is that how you view people like Bugs Bunny as well?

#47 Edited by The Lobster (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_lobster_: Is that how you view people like Bugs Bunny as well?

Bugs Bunny is a cartoon character from a universe not meant to be taken seriously. That's like comparing pudding to potatoes chips. Both are good, but they're two very different things.

Marvel is a universe built on showcasing relateable characters and telling engaging stories involving philosophical questions, moral lessons, and themes. It's hard to ignore the Redemption theme in Superior Spider-man, or the moral lesson of "With Great power comes great responsibility", or the philosophical question of is it possible for one person to change the world by taking the law into his own hands.

Looney Tunes are just cartoons meant to make people laugh, and showcase humorous characters. Which is perfectly fine, in fact I love the Looney Tunes.

Marvel is a universe meant to be taken seriously. Looney tunes isn't.......So, when a character like Deadpool breaks the forth-wall, sure he's doing it for laughs but it's also a comment on his "insanity." There's a philosophical issue. Deadpool knows the truth, but people don't believe him because it's out of their own realm of understanding. That crazy homeless guy who told you that "heaven was a magic train with a monkey conductor that farts lollipops" could be right....but would society believe him? Probably not. They'd just write him off as crazy.

So when Spider-man and She-Hulk, are doing it....the writer may just intend for it to be a laugh. But it's actually saying that they're just as "aware" as Deadpool is.

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#48 Posted by segamarvel (620 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_lobster_: Ok fair enough. All though to be even more fair is that why else should it be viewed as "insane"? Spidey is already aware of the "multiverse". Him knowing that he's a fictional character in "our" reality wouldn't make him insane. Hell he even met Stan Lee in his old 90s cartoon. From his perspective he can safely say he is real by his universes standards. I do however wonder how has Spidey managed to hold onto his marbles after all the shit he's gone through? He was buried alive one. THAT in itself should have traumatized him. And yet he still endures and perseveres.

#49 Posted by The Lobster (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_lobster_: Ok fair enough. All though to be even more fair is that why else should it be viewed as "insane"? Spidey is already aware of the "multiverse". Him knowing that he's a fictional character in "our" reality wouldn't make him insane. Hell he even met Stan Lee in his old 90s cartoon. From his perspective he can safely say he is real by his universes standards. I do however wonder how has Spidey managed to hold onto his marbles after all the shit he's gone through? He was buried alive one. THAT in itself should have traumatized him. And yet he still endures and perseveres.

The Multiverse doesn't consist of our universe. It's only a construct of various universes tied together and linked by every possible outcome of one major universe (The 616). Even when an alternate version of Deadpool broke free of the multiverse to kill the writers, he only ended up finding himself trapped in a world that was like ours in every single way, but wasn't ours. Because in actuality, It was just Cullen Bunn, writing himself in a book about him writing Deadpool. So even if Spider-man was aware that he was being written, he still wouldn't be aware of "our" universe.

What I'm basically getting at, is that Spider-man knowing about the Multiverse, and knowing about us. Are two very different things. Deadpool and "Dreadpool" both exist in the same multiverse (since they have fought each other). Meaning the universal laws are the same. Meaning that the only way to enter the world of the writer in both universes, is by breaking out of the Multiverse. Meaning "our" universe doesn't exist in the Multiverse. It exists outside of it. And even then, it's not "our" universe, but a universe the writer creates to mimic "our" universe.

It's confusing, philosophical, and difficult to follow. But long story short. Our universe isn't part of the Multiverse.

As for meeting Stan Lee, that's not the real Stan Lee. Just a version of him. That universe's version and who knows what he does in that universe. If we go by the Marvel movie logic, he could be a librarian, security guard, or Hugh Hefner. But that's from the 90's cartoon. So once again it's not a part of the main marvel continuity. Meaning it serves no purpose to the overall debate that Spider-man in the main 616 marvel universe "should not" have forth-wall breaking powers without being as crazy as Deadpool.

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#50 Edited by segamarvel (620 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_lobster_: Meh. Depends on how you look at it. You keep your opinion and I keep mine. agreed?

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