just pure hand to hand combat no weapons gadgets or powers just pure martial art skill whos the best. my top 5 are 1 karate kid 2 richard dragon 3 lady shiva 4 batman 5 batgirl (cassandra cain)

I agree with Karate Kid being at the top.

What about Bronze Tiger

Forever says:

"The_Creator says:

"I agree with Karate Kid being at the top. What about Bronze Tiger "

He's at least as good as Richard Dragon."

Which would put him above Batman.

The_Creator says:

"I agree with Karate Kid being at the top. What about Bronze Tiger "

He's at least as good as Richard Dragon.

Definitely

the top 3 are definite but 4 and 5 you could choose any number of people with the top 2 being bronze tiger and and constantine drakon

Karate Kid shouldn't be in it, he has too many advantages. My list?

1. Cassandra Cain
2. Lady Shiva
3. Batman
4. Black Canary
5. Connor Hawke

no richard dragon?  no bronze tiger?

"Karate Kid shouldn't be in it, he has too many advantages. My list?

1. Cassandra Cain
2. Lady Shiva
3. Batman
4. Black Canary
5. Connor Hawke"

Karate Kid

The Sensei

Richard Dragon

Lady Shiva

Connor Hawke

1. Cassandra Cain
3. Batman

Even without it, I'd still say she is. She's been trained since birth to fight.

Actually, reviewing my list, Black Canary and Connor Hawke I'd put above Batman. Batman's a good martial artist, sure, but he's not on the same level as those ones. The difference is that in his city, he knows everything. He plans everything. He has all these gadgets and stuff that put him above them.

But lock them only in their underwear in a blank room, 8/10 Cassandra Cain will win, 10/10 Lady Shiva will win, 8/10 Black Canary will win, and 8/10 Connor Hawke will win.

What about Bronze Tiger?

If I remember correctly, he's Richard Dragon level, who's below Lady Shiva, who's the same as Black Canary, Connor Hawke and Cassandra Cain.

DC comics encycopedia says BATMAN!!!

I think Batman's skill plus his drive makes him the bset martial artist. His will and focus is incrediable.

Sorry but KK is way above Batman

"Sorry but KK is way above Batman"

aight ....good point, but at some point skill takes over

"Sorry but KK is way above Batman"

"Lunacyde said:

"Sorry but KK is way above Batman"

People with access to 30th Century fighting techniques are disqualified."

Karate Kid

1. Karate Kid.
2. Batgirl(Cassandra Cain).
3. Green Arrow (Connor Hawke)
4. Lady Shiva
5. Bronze Tiger
6. Richard Dragon

You didn't make the thread so I don't see how you can disqualify anyone."

1. Karate Kid
   
2. The Sensei
3. Bronze Tiger
4. Richard Dragon
5. Lady Shiva

no order:
Batman
Bronze Tiger
Ra's Al Ghul
Lady Shiva
Richard Dragon

Karate Kid
Richard Dragon
Bronze Tiger
Lady Shiva
Conner Hawke

Batman still layed Shiva out, and that wasn't with gadgets and planning, it was with a right cross. Anyway, my list in the order that I see it .

1. Sandra Wu-San
2. Richard Dragon
3. Ben Turner
4. Constantine Drakon
5. Connor Hawke

"Karate Kid"

Karate Kid



Richard Dragon
Bronze Tiger
Lady Shiva
Batman
 Batgirl


Note that, the way I see it, this list is not absolute. Any one of them could beat any one else, depending on the minor circumstances.
Except KK of course, he owns everyone.

"Karate Kid

Note that, the way I see it, this list is not absolute. Any one of them could beat any one else, depending on the minor circumstances.
Except KK of course, he owns everyone.
"

"AtPhantom said:

"Karate Kid

Note that, the way I see it, this list is not absolute. Any one of them could beat any one else, depending on the minor circumstances.
Except KK of course, he owns everyone.
"

I did not include him because his ability to fight can almost be considered a "power". And even though I did not put the Bat on my list, I know he fought Karate Kid to a standstill, which if taken as canon makes him better than everyone on my list. It is all interpertation, isn't it?"

"Karate Kid shouldn't be in it, he has too many advantages. 

I thought Batman took out Karate Kid before

"I thought Batman took out Karate Kid before"

"It was obvious that KK would win soon enough. Batman just played him by making him forget about Black Lightning, who then took him out from the back.
But yeah, bats is one of the best.
"

"SUNMAN said:

"I thought Batman took out Karate Kid before"

AtPhantom said:

"It was obvious that KK would win soon enough. Batman just played him by making him forget about Black Lightning, who then took him out from the back.
But yeah, bats is one of the best.
"

"

IMO
Top 5 no specific order

Shiva
Cassanda Cain
Bronze Tiger
Constantine Drakon
Karate Kid

Batman
Shiva and
Cassandra Cain

• Karate Kid
• Richard Dragon
• Lady Shiva
• Bronze Tiger
• Batgirl
• Batman

"Batman still layed Shiva out, and that wasn't with gadgets and planning, it was with a right cross. Anyway, my list in the order that I see it . "

• Cassandra Cain
• Lady Shiva
• Bronze Tiger
• Batman
• DeathStroke

"And um... what about Black Canary? Last I heard she was trained by Lady Shiva o_O
"

I dont think she is either... but I'm not 100% sure. ^^' 

Overall Karate Kid

DCU Current timeline

Constantine Drakon

1.Lady shiva/ Black canary / Batman
2.Cassandra Cain / Cheshire
3.Huntress

I forgot i made this xP
 

1. Karate Kid
2. Cassandra Cain
3. Richard Dragon
4. Bronze Tiger
5. Connor Hawke
   

Karate Kid 
Richard Dragon 
Lady Shiva 
Bronze Tiger  
Batgirl 
Deathstroke 
Conner Hawke
Batman 
Black Canary 
Wildcat 
Wonder Woman

He was. Not so sure about anymore though.