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Which DC Characters were better BEFORE the New 52??

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#1 Posted by Captain13 (1892 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Some DC Characters were better before the reboot. I'm talking characterization--not costumes.

For example, Jaime Reyes, the Blue Beetle had a much better written book and personality pre-reboot.

Can you think of any other examples?

#2 Posted by BlackArmor (5895 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Barbra Gordon and Power Girl

#3 Edited by Afro_Warrior (1120 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

The NEW 52 is perfect in every way!

No, but seriously aside from Red Robin (who's characterisation i still like, however feel isn't as strong as previously) i can't really think of any characters i personally think were better pre-52.

Edit: Scratch that. I just remembered Green Arrow. Horrible, horrible characterisation so far, i know they were going for the smallville angle but they haven't even done that right! Hopefully Nocenti will set that straight.

#4 Posted by RScottH08 (249 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Well, I guess I kinda have one. John Constantine in Justice League Dark, I mean I understand that the one in the new 52 is a alternate version of him, but i just really think he should be left to Vertigo. The new 52 one is just to toned down for me, which for some people may be a good thing, but I prefer the the violence and obscenities in the good old Hellblazer series seems to have always had. That is just my opinion though.

#5 Edited by The_Tree (4194 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Captain Atom was great before, now he's basically become the DCU's Dr. Manhattan.

Green Arrow was also great before, he could've had a great road to redemption story after Brightest Day. Now he's just an average hero with his past problems swept under the rug. And I know you said no costumes, but the lack of goatee still ****ing angers me.

Captain Atom
Green Arrow
#6 Posted by SuperShafe (470 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

GA and Clark. Ga was completely screwed over by the reboot, 99% of his appeal pre-new 52 was how screwed up he was. Clark probably had the best and worst reboot of all of them. He benefits from an awesome writer in Action Comics but lost his parents, his wife , his son and his dog.

#7 Posted by Spiders_Man3 (15 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Wally West.

#8 Posted by Feniks (366 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Superman, Green Arrow, Barbara Gordon, Hal Jordan, Mr. Terrific, Blue Beetle, Harley Quinn,

#9 Posted by RScottH08 (249 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Spiders_Man3: Wow, can't believe I forgot about Wally. Being a Wally fan, him being gone really seems like a kick to the nether-regions.

#10 Posted by The_Tree (4194 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Feniks: How is Hal any different from how he was pre-relaunch?

#11 Posted by Feniks (366 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@The_Tree: I haven't read Green Lantern yet, only Justice League but in it, he's a MAJOR douche. Hal was always kind of a douche, but not that bad.

#12 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio
  1. Barbara Gordon
  2. Superboy
  3. Powergirl
  4. Green Arrow
  5. Kyle Rayner
  6. Wally West
  7. Harley Quinn
  8. Lex Luthor
#13 Posted by Rixec (288 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Blue Beetle is getting with each issue actually.

#14 Posted by The_Tree (4194 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Feniks: LOL. Yeah, he is a bit obnoxious in Justice League. I just chalk it up to him being young and inexperienced.

#15 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (3646 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Feniks said:

@The_Tree: I haven't read Green Lantern yet, only Justice League but in it, he's a MAJOR douche. Hal was always kind of a douche, but not that bad.

He's a douche in JLA and a major bitch in GL. All he does is complain.

Personally, I think EVERY character was better pre-relaunch. I like the New 52 a lot, but I prefer the old.

#16 Posted by JediXMan (22932 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Ravager, Wally West, and Beast Boy (HE'S GREEN!)

#17 Posted by CitizenBane (19864 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Midnighter, Midnighter, Power Girl, Jenny Quantum, Apollo, Midnighter, Barbara Gordon, Midnighter, the Kents and Midnighter.

@JediXMan said:

Ravager, Wally West, and Beast Boy (HE'S GREEN!)

She's getting a lot of focus in the months to come, appearances in Superboy, Legion Lost, the TT Annual and she's going to be one of the main antagonists (along with Warblade) in Ravagers.

#18 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (5875 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

I'll probably get in trouble for this but I'll say...all of 'em.

#19 Posted by Morgaine_de_Bourbon (2075 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: She may be appearing, but she's not the Rose Wilson we all know and love.

#20 Posted by JediXMan (22932 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@CitizenBane said:

Midnighter, Midnighter, Power Girl, Jenny Quantum, Apollo, Midnighter, Barbara Gordon, Midnighter, the Kents and Midnighter.

@JediXMan said:

Ravager, Wally West, and Beast Boy (HE'S GREEN!)

She's getting a lot of focus in the months to come, appearances in Superboy, Legion Lost, the TT Annual and she's going to be one of the main antagonists (along with Warblade) in Ravagers.

She still got screwed. I liked her character and then they just ruined it all.
#21 Posted by CitizenBane (19864 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Morgaine_de_Bourbon:I really haven't seen enough of her to figure out how much has changed but so far I'm not seeing a radical personality shift. The only thing that's really changed (as far as I can tell from her limited appearances so far) is that she has both eyes and may not be Slade's daughter.

#22 Posted by The Stegman (13015 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

GREEN ARROW!!! GAWD HE SUCKS NOW<---The rare and powerful passion caps lock

#23 Posted by EugeneSaxe (227 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@RedheadedAtrocitus said:

I'll probably get in trouble for this but I'll say...all of 'em.

This.

But, to play nice, I'll limit myself to Barbara Gordon.

#24 Posted by Hawk80 (264 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Wonder Woman (dislike both writing and art. Hate the Zeus thing... and where are all the supporting characters supposed to be? Artemis, etc...???)

Barbara Gordon

Ravager

Wonder Girl

Waiting to see about Power Girl...

#25 Edited by cosmo111687 (1466 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

The only characters that I like more now, post-relaunch, are Animal Man and Superman. The rest I either like equally as much now as before (such as Zatanna, Deadman, and Batman) or I think are completely ruined (such as Barbara Gordon, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, The Birds of Prey, Roy Harper, etc.), or they are missing and I'm worried about how much they'll be changed in the future (such as Renee Montoya).

#26 Posted by Hawk80 (264 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@cosmo111687 said:

The only characters that I like more now, post-relaunch, are Animal Man and Superman. The rest I either like equally as much now as before (such as Zatanna, Deadman, and Batman) or I think are completely ruined (such as Barbara Gordon, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, The Birds of Prey, Roy Harper, etc.), or they are missing and I'm worried about how much they'll be changed in the future (such as Renee Montoya).

I like the new poison ivy and i love birds of prey. Missing Renee Montoya!!!

#27 Posted by Bestostero (5596 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

in my opinion.....

Zatanna #15 - Adam Hughes
#28 Posted by John Valentine (15777 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@BlackArmor said:

Barbra Gordon

So true.

Hal Jordan is exactly the same as before pre-launch.

#29 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2015 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Midnighter (costume)

Apollo (costume)

Starfire (character)

Wally (where is he?)

Donna (where is she?)

#30 Posted by Kairan1979 (6453 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Hawk80:

Power Girl already was a supporting character in new Mr. Terrific series .

#31 Posted by The_Tree (4194 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

I'll also say that Robotman was better. He just seems off, his powers don't seem right to me, and if I'm not mistaken they changed his origin yet again. Keith Giffen gave the perfect origin and characterization of the character pre-relaunch.

#32 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38596 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio
Almost all of them >_>
#33 Posted by webofthornns (664 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

For me it would definitely be Roy Harper/Arsenal..he had a lot of depth with everything that had happened to him, the loss of his arm, Lian, etc, now he's a joke, and a bad one at that

#34 Posted by Hawk80 (264 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

I don't think Zatanna was better before. She's quite the same, but the old costume was better.

@Kairan1979 said:

@Hawk80:

Power Girl already was a supporting character in new Mr. Terrific series .

I know, I know... I just want power girl to go POWER GIRL!!!

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#36 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (21886 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

ALL OF THEM

#37 Posted by entropy_aegis (12319 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

  1. Barbara Gordon
  2. Superboy
  3. Powergirl
  4. Green Arrow
  5. Kyle Rayner
  6. Wally West
  7. Harley Quinn
  8. Lex Luthor

Almost this(excluding Harley).

#38 Posted by Thorion88 (305 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

ALL OF THEM

Agreed

#39 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (2127 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

mr. terrific,wally west, martian manhunter,

#40 Posted by cuddles666 (310 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

STARFIRE.

#41 Posted by cuddles666 (310 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

That said, I am...impressed by her new costume. 8D

#42 Posted by zackattack529 (1404 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@ArturoCalaKayVee said:

@Feniks said:

@The_Tree: I haven't read Green Lantern yet, only Justice League but in it, he's a MAJOR douche. Hal was always kind of a douche, but not that bad.

He's a douche in JLA and a major bitch in GL. All he does is complain.

Personally, I think EVERY character was better pre-relaunch. I like the New 52 a lot, but I prefer the old.

yaa i was really hoping that the main green lantern series got a new creative team. i was eager to see how green lantern would change. but then that A**hole geoff johns continued his story even after the reboot?! i didnt like what geoff johns did with the charter after sinestro corps war. he turned green lantern into starwars-sy kinda series. i miss when green lantern was a hero! i mean what does he do thats heroic anymore!? he's not even a superhero! like i can see the green lantern corps title being a space opera title, because that title focuses on the corps activity. green lantern shouldnt be written like this, especially him being sinestros B**tch! he should be like how he was before, going planet to planet savign a city or planet. then thered be a sub plot leading to an event. kinda like how geoff johns started his character then led into sinestro corps war!. what happened to the series!? all just to make other corps and that be the focus. and then people would be distracted liek "OOOO PRETTY COLORS! 0.0"

well its not distracting me geoff johns..stick to aquaman and give someone else a shot at the green lantern series, I SAY!

#43 Posted by Dflash29 (91 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

i agree about the blue beetle in the new 52

#44 Posted by MrMiracle77 (1574 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Pretty much all of the Teen Titans have taken a turn for the worse.  I hear there's some sort of organization targeting teenaged heroes, meaning Lobdell has pretty much transposed the underlying theme of X-Men.  Yarf.

#45 Posted by CitizenBane (19864 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Weather Wizard's look is eh.

#46 Posted by Lvenger (8228 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Starfire, Roy Harper, Hawk and Dove, Green Arrow, Harley Quinn and Deathstroke are characters that didn't need to be changed in the New 52 IMO.

#47 Posted by jsphsmth (1126 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Sgt Rock- I think that Men at War would have been more successful if they had used Rock instead of his grandson.

Glad that DC is correcting this error by using the classic war heroes like the Unknown Soldier and the Haunted Tank in the upcoming GI Combat.

#48 Posted by Supreme Marvel (10992 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

The second Liefeld was attached to whomever he was working on got ruined.

#49 Posted by The Stegman (13015 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Green Arrow 
Barbara Gordon 
Deadshot 
Rose Wilson 
Power Girl 

#50 Posted by Deranged Midget (13003 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Actions Comics Superman is doing excellent so far but the current Superman run is/was horrendous. Here's hoping that the new creative team kicks it up several notches.

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