What would make DC Comics better?

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#1 Edited by Emerald Warrior (182 posts) - - Show Bio

So, as a long time DC fan, I've always antagonized Marvel fans because they think "their"  publisher is better than DC... I completely disagree!!!
 
HOWEVER, the numbrers speak for themselves. Marvel holding a 42% of the market share makes it pretty clear that MOST readers like Marvel better than DC.  
 
Originally I was going to ask why, but i think the better question is:  What do you guys think DC would need to do to beat (or at least match) Marvel in popularity? 
 
Or even better:   What would it take for YOU to like DC better?

#2 Posted by Edamame (28130 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that Marvel, or X-Men in particular, touches upon serious societal problems that we face in society back then and now. Perhaps people become emotionally attached to such more? Does DC truly address such serious issues?

#3 Posted by DEADPOOL (2709 posts) - - Show Bio

Weaker heroes, and villains that pose a more believable threat (although their villains might pose more believable threats if the heroes were weaker).

#4 Posted by Vance Astro (91220 posts) - - Show Bio

More black characters.

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#5 Posted by Edamame (28130 posts) - - Show Bio

That might be because DC is older than Marvel, which is much more recent. 

#6 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" More black characters. "
DC has more recurring Black characters than Marvel does, or atleast I'm pretty sure.
#7 Posted by Vance Astro (91220 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" More black characters. "
DC has more recurring Black characters than Marvel does, or atleast I'm pretty sure. "
That's not enough.
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#8 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" More black characters. "
DC has more recurring Black characters than Marvel does, or atleast I'm pretty sure. "
That's not enough. "
And Milestone..but Milestone sucks hard.
#9 Posted by Vance Astro (91220 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" More black characters. "
DC has more recurring Black characters than Marvel does, or atleast I'm pretty sure. "
That's not enough. "
And Milestone..but Milestone sucks hard. "
They only took in Milestones to cover up all the racist sh#t they used to write in the 50's.Like how Disney made the Princess Bride because people keep saying there's no black people in Disney movies.
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#10 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" More black characters. "
DC has more recurring Black characters than Marvel does, or atleast I'm pretty sure. "
That's not enough. "
And Milestone..but Milestone sucks hard. "
They only took in Milestones to cover up all the racist sh#t they used to write in the 50's.Like how Disney made the Princess Bride because people keep saying there's no black people in Disney movies. "
Princess Bride?
 
You mean the Frog movie?
#11 Posted by Vance Astro (91220 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" More black characters. "
DC has more recurring Black characters than Marvel does, or atleast I'm pretty sure. "
That's not enough. "
And Milestone..but Milestone sucks hard. "
They only took in Milestones to cover up all the racist sh#t they used to write in the 50's.Like how Disney made the Princess Bride because people keep saying there's no black people in Disney movies. "
Princess Bride?  You mean the Frog movie? "
Princess and the Frog..my bad.
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#12 Posted by Edamame (28130 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder if DC or Marvel uses more of those stereotypes. In other words, which is more prejudiced overall.  Just curious.

#13 Posted by Donnieman v5.1 (44323 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure why but I've always thought of Martian Manhunter as Black...

#14 Posted by joshmightbe (24885 posts) - - Show Bio

i say dc and marvel are equal quality wise dc's biggest problem is there main characters seem to set themselves above people whereas marvel characters are more relatable look at the two most well known characters from each superman and spiderman. superman has all the power a hero would ever want or need and is looked up to by almost everyone nd in his secret i.d. hes a pulitzer prize winning journalist with a hot wife, spiderman on the otherhand is relativly weak compared to alot of the heros and villains running around he gets almost no respect in his secret i.d. hes got money trouble, a shitty boss, and other everyday issues that everyone has yes he had a hot wife but honestly he earned atleast that much karmically speaking, but he has far more in common with regular people.

#15 Posted by EisforExtinction (1909 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel puts out more books.

#16 Posted by Vance Astro (91220 posts) - - Show Bio
@Donnieman v5.1 said:
" Not sure why but I've always thought of Martian Manhunter as Black... "
LOL.
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#17 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
@Emerald Warrior:  I think the problem is that you are assuming just because people like Marvel means they dislike DC. I would say that is untrue for most comic book fans.  Marvel gets more readers though because Marvel knows how to advertise. They know what is going to grab peoples attention and they pull them in. Just look at DC Comics website compared to Marvel Comics. There is not even a comparison.
#18 Posted by Paragon (7293 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nobody said:
" @Emerald Warrior:  I think the problem is that you are assuming just because people like Marvel means they dislike DC. I would say that is untrue for most comic book fans.  Marvel gets more readers though because Marvel knows how to advertise. They know what is going to grab peoples attention and they pull them in. Just look at DC Comics website compared to Marvel Comics. There is not even a comparison. "
Marvel also takes every book they have and splits them into 3 separate series every 2-3 years, and you miss 90% of the story without them.
#19 Edited by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
@Paragon said:

" @Nobody said:

" @Emerald Warrior:  I think the problem is that you are assuming just because people like Marvel means they dislike DC. I would say that is untrue for most comic book fans.  Marvel gets more readers though because Marvel knows how to advertise. They know what is going to grab peoples attention and they pull them in. Just look at DC Comics website compared to Marvel Comics. There is not even a comparison. "
Marvel also takes every book they have and splits them into 3 separate series every 2-3 years, and you miss 90% of the story without them. "
Because they know how to market a book.
#20 Posted by Vance Astro (91220 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nobody said:
 Just look at DC Comics website compared to Marvel Comics. There is not even a comparison. "
So true.
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#21 Posted by danhimself (22534 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel publishes a LOT of titles though so that increases sales right there....DC has the better writers though

#22 Posted by GothamBat (644 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nobody:
i agree with you. though i do like DC more than Marvel, i still like a few of the Marvel characters.
#23 Posted by Jotham (4564 posts) - - Show Bio

I would read more DC comics if their characters were more relatable, as in realistic lives and problems, and not being so freaking powerful in general.

#24 Posted by Vance Astro (91220 posts) - - Show Bio
@danhimself said:
" Marvel publishes a LOT of titles though so that increases sales right there....DC has the better writers though "
Nah uh..they just don't have anyone as bad as Bendis :)
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#25 Posted by IrishX (2363 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jotham said:
"I would read more DC comics if their characters were more relatable, as in realistic lives and problems, and not being so freaking powerful in general. "

Same here.
#26 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio

I already like DC, and I think it's fine the way it is. they need to keep doing what they are doing. It's for the more mature readers who like great story-telling. 
 
Marvel is only more popular, because of the marketing and whoreing they do. They have sold out in every possible way to achieve the status they have. while they produce lack-luster comics, and products over-all. only kids like Marvel, I liked Marvel as a child. Buti grew up and realized that Marvel is tap-dancing monkey and bends over for every dollar they get. while DC hold their grounds, and continue to make comics the way they always have. and that's why true comics fans know DC is the real king in the comics industry. and any one who says marvel has better story-telling they need their head examined, or they have never even opened a DC book.
#27 Edited by Vance Astro (91220 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula said:

" I already like DC, and I think it's fine the way it is. they need to keep doing what they are doing. It's for the more mature readers who like great story-telling.  Marvel is only more popular, because of the marketing and whoreing they do. They have sold out in every possible way to achieve the status they have. while they produce lack-luster comics, and products over-all. only kids like Marvel, I liked Marvel as a child. Buti grew up and realized that Marvel is tap-dancing monkey and bends over for every dollar they get. while DC hold their grounds, and continue to make comics the way they always have. and that's why true comics fans know DC is the real king in the comics industry. and any one who says marvel has better story-telling they need their head examined, or they have never even opened a DC book. "

That's kind of ignorant to say.Better story-telling is in your opinion so how can you say something is wrong with people who think Marvel writes better stories.I for one would rather read Avengers than JLA any day.I for one would rather read Daredevil than Batman but that's my preference.I would say the stories are better because they have elements I like but it's MY OPINION.And as far as selling out..Marvel is a business.That's all I have to say about that.
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#28 Posted by SuperGamera (565 posts) - - Show Bio

i like dc better. i still like marvel but it seems that half their stories are x-men or some other x-team related
#29 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
"@Caligula said:

" I already like DC, and I think it's fine the way it is. they need to keep doing what they are doing. It's for the more mature readers who like great story-telling.  Marvel is only more popular, because of the marketing and whoreing they do. They have sold out in every possible way to achieve the status they have. while they produce lack-luster comics, and products over-all. only kids like Marvel, I liked Marvel as a child. Buti grew up and realized that Marvel is tap-dancing monkey and bends over for every dollar they get. while DC hold their grounds, and continue to make comics the way they always have. and that's why true comics fans know DC is the real king in the comics industry. and any one who says marvel has better story-telling they need their head examined, or they have never even opened a DC book. "

That's kind of ignorant to say.Better story-telling is in your opinion so how can you say something is wrong with people who think Marvel writes better stories.I for one would rather read Avengers than JLA any day.I for one would rather read Daredevil than Batman but that's my preference.I would say the stories are better because they have elements I like but it's MY OPINION.And as far as selling out..Marvel is a business.That's all I have to say about that. "


How is better Story-Telling an opinion?

If a person can't write worth shit, they can't write worth shit. the Only good stories Marvel has ever told are for the most part written by guys who used to work for DC, or they work for DC now. Marvel has no exclusive writers worth crap. and like I said Better writing is not an opinion. it's a fact. Like for instance I you or I wrote a story, almost certainley it's not gonna be up to par with guys like Ennis or Moore. you see what i'm saying. Marvel is to over-rated. and half of their titles revolve around the X-Men, who are absolutely horrendous. I take that back Matt Fraction is pretty good. But he is like the only really great writer Marvel has exclusively.

#30 Posted by Vance Astro (91220 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula said:
" @Vance Astro said:
"@Caligula said:

" I already like DC, and I think it's fine the way it is. they need to keep doing what they are doing. It's for the more mature readers who like great story-telling.  Marvel is only more popular, because of the marketing and whoreing they do. They have sold out in every possible way to achieve the status they have. while they produce lack-luster comics, and products over-all. only kids like Marvel, I liked Marvel as a child. Buti grew up and realized that Marvel is tap-dancing monkey and bends over for every dollar they get. while DC hold their grounds, and continue to make comics the way they always have. and that's why true comics fans know DC is the real king in the comics industry. and any one who says marvel has better story-telling they need their head examined, or they have never even opened a DC book. "

That's kind of ignorant to say.Better story-telling is in your opinion so how can you say something is wrong with people who think Marvel writes better stories.I for one would rather read Avengers than JLA any day.I for one would rather read Daredevil than Batman but that's my preference.I would say the stories are better because they have elements I like but it's MY OPINION.And as far as selling out..Marvel is a business.That's all I have to say about that. "


How is better Story-Telling an opinion?

If a person can't write worth shit, they can't write worth shit. the Only good stories Marvel has ever told are for the most part written by guys who used to work for DC, or they work for DC now. Marvel has no exclusive writers worth crap. and like I said Better writing is not an opinion. it's a fact. Like for instance I you or I wrote a story, almost certainley it's not gonna be up to par with guys like Ennis or Moore. you see what i'm saying. Marvel is to over-rated. and half of their titles revolve around the X-Men, who are absolutely horrendous. I take that back Matt Fraction is pretty good. But he is like the only really great writer Marvel has exclusively.

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Because what makes something a good story is an opinion.It can't be proven,it's subject to preference.Any sentence that starts with "The only good stories etc" is up to your preference.Comparing me and you to people who get payed to write doesn't make much sense.There are artists that get work that I personally think I am better than but that's my opinion.It's obvious someone has the room to disagree with me.It can't be proven.Also if half the Marvel books revolve around the X-men how come I read so much Marvel but none of the titles I read revolve around the X-men? Avenger:Initiative,Daredevil,Iron Man,Siege,New Avengers,Mighty Avengers,Captain America,Hulk,Amazing Spider-Man,Thor,Moon Knight,Spider-Woman and so on all books I read don't have jack to do with the X-men.
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#31 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @Caligula said:
" @Vance Astro said:
"@Caligula said:

" I already like DC, and I think it's fine the way it is. they need to keep doing what they are doing. It's for the more mature readers who like great story-telling.  Marvel is only more popular, because of the marketing and whoreing they do. They have sold out in every possible way to achieve the status they have. while they produce lack-luster comics, and products over-all. only kids like Marvel, I liked Marvel as a child. Buti grew up and realized that Marvel is tap-dancing monkey and bends over for every dollar they get. while DC hold their grounds, and continue to make comics the way they always have. and that's why true comics fans know DC is the real king in the comics industry. and any one who says marvel has better story-telling they need their head examined, or they have never even opened a DC book. "

That's kind of ignorant to say.Better story-telling is in your opinion so how can you say something is wrong with people who think Marvel writes better stories.I for one would rather read Avengers than JLA any day.I for one would rather read Daredevil than Batman but that's my preference.I would say the stories are better because they have elements I like but it's MY OPINION.And as far as selling out..Marvel is a business.That's all I have to say about that. "


How is better Story-Telling an opinion?

If a person can't write worth shit, they can't write worth shit. the Only good stories Marvel has ever told are for the most part written by guys who used to work for DC, or they work for DC now. Marvel has no exclusive writers worth crap. and like I said Better writing is not an opinion. it's a fact. Like for instance I you or I wrote a story, almost certainley it's not gonna be up to par with guys like Ennis or Moore. you see what i'm saying. Marvel is to over-rated. and half of their titles revolve around the X-Men, who are absolutely horrendous. I take that back Matt Fraction is pretty good. But he is like the only really great writer Marvel has exclusively.

"
Because what makes something a good story is an opinion.It can't be proven,it's subject to preference.Any sentence that starts with "The only good stories etc" is up to your preference.Comparing me and you to people who get payed to write doesn't make much sense.There are artists that get work that I personally think I am better than but that's my opinion.It's obvious someone has the room to disagree with me.It can't be proven.Also if half the Marvel books revolve around the X-men how come I read so much Marvel but none of the titles I read revolve around the X-men? Avenger:Initiative,Daredevil,Iron Man,Siege,New Avengers,Mighty Avengers,Captain America,Hulk,Amazing Spider-Man,Thor,Moon Knight,Spider-Woman and so on all books I read don't have jack to do with the X-men. "


X-Men Books far outnumber all of those though/ 
 
New X-Men 
X-Force 
Weapon-X 
Ultimate X-Men 
2099 
Agent X 
Adventures of X-Men 
Astonishing X-Men 
Uncanny X-Men 
Cable 
Cable & Deadpool 
Classic X-Men 
Dazzler 
Deapool 
Deadpool : Merc with a Mouth 
District X 
Emma Frost 
Excalibur 
Exhiles 
Gambit 
Generation X 
Maverick 
Nation X 
New Mutants 
Professor Xavier and the X-men 
Quicksilver

Wolverine 
New Excalibur 
Mutant X 
Night Crawler 
Sentinel

Rogue

Wolverine Origins 
Wolverine First Class 
Alpha Flight

X-Man 
X-Factor 
Young X-Men 
 
and I know there is more out there than that, those are jsut the ones I have seen or heard of personally. that is far too many X-titles

#32 Posted by Vance Astro (91220 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula said:

X-Men Books far outnumber all of those though/ 
 
New X-Men 
X-Force 
Weapon-X 
Ultimate X-Men 
2099 
Agent X 
Adventures of X-Men 
Astonishing X-Men 
Uncanny X-Men 
Cable 
Cable & Deadpool 
Classic X-Men 
Dazzler 
Deapool 
Deadpool : Merc with a Mouth 
District X 
Emma Frost 
Excalibur 
Exhiles 
Gambit 
Generation X 
Maverick 
Nation X 
New Mutants 
Professor Xavier and the X-men 
Quicksilver

Wolverine 
New Excalibur 
Mutant X 
Night Crawler 
Sentinel

Rogue

Wolverine Origins 
Wolverine First Class 
Alpha Flight

X-Man 
X-Factor 
Young X-Men 
 
and I know there is more out there than that, those are jsut the ones I have seen or heard of personally. that is far too many X-titles

"
Half of those books are miniseries and comics that don't currently drop issues.I can do this same thing for the Avengers.
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#33 Posted by Vance Astro (91220 posts) - - Show Bio

In all seriousness I would read more DC is they had a better character roster.There are very few DC characters than I like.Also I find it hard to get into certain characters because their origins don't reflect their powers.For instance..Batgirl (Cassie) has physical feats beyond that of Moon Knight (even when he had his powers),Daredevil,Hawkeye,Echo,etc. I could go all day.Her abilities are closer to someone of Captain America or Black Panther stature yet neither character was able to train to that level.They had to take herbs and serums to be what they are uyet DC's street levelers reach peak human levels just by training.It's ridiculous to me.I think DC's best books are the ones that seem to go unrecognized.Books like Secret Six,Red Robin,Wonder Woman,Birds of Prey,Manhunter (cancelled),etc. I just want some more quality characters. People say "characters I can relate to" but I will never be able to relate to comic characters.I just like certain things in my comic heroes and not alot of DC characters have it.

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#34 Edited by Yung ANcient One (4799 posts) - - Show Bio

 
So, as a long time DC fan, I've always antagonized Marvel fans because they think "their"  publisher is better than DC... I completely disagree!!!


 
 Marvel is better because its the new and improved story telling. Sorry DC Fans its true...
Back in the day there was no true character development Bats... yes Batman was smiling when wearing the costume it was like his parents death didnt effect him that much...
 
We never saw There Real life problems jus Super Hero problems which was jus BAd Guys or bad things happening to the public
 
Then The MAN Stan Lee... came up with FF and created a great story... of Super Heroes with Real life issues because there entire life was about being a super hero so society knew who they were and all that plus the family drama... most noticeably... Ben and Johnny fighting each other.... more people related to the FF's family than The Super Friends fighting bad guys...
 
Which by the way was a risk... everyone told Stan he needed more action and less dialogue...
 
anyways the rest is history.
 
Spidey came out U got MORE Real Life Drama and more stories where u could relate to the character. and blah blah blah
 
u kno the rest DC realized Doode we need more Dialogue... and they got it... Doode we need more character and they got it...
 
Batman went from having a sidekick that said Holly cammoly dupper batman... to being a dark gritty character not wanting a sidekick...
 
Superman started  to get complicated too... u kno... before it was super easy to be superman then all of a sudden its hard they started explaining how its hard to be the Golden boy all the time... living with internal turmoil because he doesnt want to loose control(kinda like Hulk)... and etc...
 
Anyways.
 
Marvel is better IMO... its the new and improved Comics soon DC followed up, and changed to compete with Marvel.
 
Now MArvel is running the game apperantly. for several reasons
They know how to promote things.
They do huge cross overs and DC doesnt apparently... 
and
The Marvel Characters are still more relatable...  (apparently im not the only one that feels that way)

DC hold their grounds, and continue to make comics the way they always have.


 Thats a load of BULL
If they stood there grounds then WHy did BAtman become Gritty? He changed jus like everyone Else DEAL WITH IT.
 

 like I said Better writing is not an opinion. 

Oh EM GEee ur one of those Guys... always about "Facts" when they have no idea Everything in life is up for interpretation.

    As my one friend said to my bias Marvel Fanboy friend I'll give you DC when you feel like reading Grown up books 

I kno DComics are Colorful stories filled with FICTION... for adults... Yay... 
 
but sarcasm aside. isnt that a matter of Opinion?... How are Fictional characters act more like adults than other Fictional characters?
#35 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

As my one friend said to my bias Marvel Fanboy friend I'll give you DC when you feel like reading Grown up books

#36 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4799 posts) - - Show Bio

i finished.^^^^^

#37 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
"As my one friend said to my bias Marvel Fanboy friend I'll give you DC when you feel like reading Grown up books "

agreed.
#38 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4799 posts) - - Show Bio
Oh biasness called facts... never stops to amaze me.
#39 Edited by Yung ANcient One (4799 posts) - - Show Bio

This SCREAMS Adults ONLY
 
 

 


 
Remember these are FOR GROWN UPS

#40 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

Get superman to kick something in New Earth continuity , does he have a disability that prevents him to do that?

#41 Posted by TheJuggernautpunch (6133 posts) - - Show Bio

The character I have created in my mind .

#42 Posted by Watch Dog (834 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula: Your opinions are not facts so do not present them as such thank you.
 
Well if DC wants to sell me more stuff they can give Hawkman and Hawkgirl their own title again and bring back the real JLA and git rid of what I like to call JLA lite
#43 Posted by DEADPOOL (2709 posts) - - Show Bio
@Donnieman v5.1 said:
" Not sure why but I've always thought of Martian Manhunter as Black... "
Well if I remember correctly, Martian Manhunter did take the form of a black man for a while and called himself Bloodwynd.
#44 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel sells more comics, Marvel also puts thrice as much product as DC. DC is almost always on the top position when it comes to tps/hardcovers though

#45 Posted by Vance Astro (91220 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" As my one friend said to my bias Marvel Fanboy friend I'll give you DC when you feel like reading Grown up books "
How is DC more grown up than Marvel? Unless you count the fact they own Vertigo...
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#46 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" As my one friend said to my bias Marvel Fanboy friend I'll give you DC when you feel like reading Grown up books "
How is DC more grown up than Marvel? Unless you count the fact they own Vertigo... "
IDK I just thought it was funny
#47 Posted by Vance Astro (91220 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" As my one friend said to my bias Marvel Fanboy friend I'll give you DC when you feel like reading Grown up books "
How is DC more grown up than Marvel? Unless you count the fact they own Vertigo... "
IDK I just thought it was funny "
That question was more to Caligula because he agreed.
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#48 Posted by Jerry Seinfeld (598 posts) - - Show Bio

Nothing needs to be done DC is spectacular and where it's at. IMO much better than Marvel, but I will be willing to try and get into Marvel and find some good Marvel stories. Any suggestions?
#49 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jerry Seinfeld said:
" Nothing needs to be done DC is spectacular and where it's at. IMO much better than Marvel, but I will be willing to try and get into Marvel and find some good Marvel stories. Any suggestions? "
It depends what type of characters interest you.
#50 Edited by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@Watch Dog said:

" @Caligula: Your opinions are not facts so do not present them as such thank you.  Well if DC wants to sell me more stuff they can give Hawkman and Hawkgirl their own title again and bring back the real JLA and git rid of what I like to call JLA lite "


Shut up, Better writing is not an opinion. and if you think it is then obviously you need to go back to school

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