SDCC 2011: DC Dark And Edge Panel LiveBlog [Updated]

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Update

Images added courtesy of DC.

Hello again, kiddos. I'm checking in at the fabled Room 6DCE for a panel about the EDGE and DARK divisions of DC's new 52. While not separate imprints, it's looking these will all be books that are specifically intended for readers with more mature tastes.

12:55 - Introducing editor Pat McCallum, Scott Snyder, Jeff Lemire, Mike Costa, Adam Glass, Ivan Brandon, Paul Cornell, Kyle Higgins, Moritat and Josh Fialkov. McCallum starts off, saying that he's a huge fan of SUICIDE SQUAD and he loves how it's a fun book about supervillains forced to do dark, nasty things in a more "real world" take. Snyder says that Swamp Thing's his favorite character, right next to Batman, and that the core of the character is about a man struggling with monsters - - both external and internal. He's been talking about SWAMP THING since he started working at DC, and he's excited about giving the character a new spin. It starts with a newly human Alec Holland trying to reconcile his last memory of being burnt alive and his dreams of being a swamp creature that he wants to get away from. The book will explore whether there's a destiny to his circumstances and, even though Alec will be trying to escape his destiny, the book won't ignore anything that's come before. The book will introduce a new villain, an ancient evil, whom Swamp Thing was meant to fight.

12:59 - Jeff talking about ANIMAL MAN. At its center, it's not a book about a superhero, but a family. Buddy's daughter is the real star of the book, as she'll be an incredible powerful entity who must be protected. Buddy's wife is his strength; he'd fall apart without her. This will be a very dark book, for sure. A horror book that will build upon past stories instead of ignoring them. Regarding FRANKSTEIN: AGENT OF S.H.A.D.E. - - this is will be the most over-the-top book in contrast to his quieter past work. What if the most insane villain in the world got access to a infinite arsenal and cache of technology? Who are the people who make up the limbs and pieces of Frankenstein? Loves the CREATURE COMMANDOS; feels like they haven't gotten their due yet. Planning to do STARMAN flashback issues - - promises one called "Frakenstein '69" about his days in Vietnam.

1:05 - - Fialkov talking about I, VAMPIRE, a revival of a great, classic horror story. It's about a regal couple - - the guy stays noble after becoming a vampire, while the girl turns absolutely evil. Vampires have been hiding in the DCU, but now they're fed up with their subjugation and they fashion themselves into "vampire terrorists" with aims to take over the world. Romance first, but then about monsters owning their monstrosity. Piles and piles of bodies are promised.

1:09 - Cornell talking about DEMON KNIGHTS, which will be set in DC's medieval times, about a "bloody Magnificent Seven" who have to protect a village after the death of Camelot. Expect experiences from Vandal Savage and a "certain strong, powerful woman from a certain island." Talking up a new character, the Horse Woman, who'll be the stand-out of the team. It'll be like GAME OF THRONES in that the characters are always at risk of being killed. Now he's talking STORMWATCH. The team is now an illuminati-like organization that's been around for centuries who're annoyed by all these new "costume amateurs trying to to take over their Earth protection business. Midnighter and Apollo will be new recruits; jokes that he wants to have a t-shirt that says, "Yes, they're still gay." They'll be meeting for the first time in the first issue, and the series will see them falling in love. Four or five characters returning from the old Stormwatch.

1:17 - Higgins talking about DEATHSTROKE and how the villain is the biggest bad ass in the DC universe, but feels like the character hasn't been allowed to shine as much as he should be. Bringing him back to show why he's such a great assassin - - he'll be laying waste to the 405 highway in LA in the first issue. Not turning him into a good guy, not turning him into an anti-hero... he's a villain, through and through. Compares his approach to the character to the Joker in DARK KNIGHT.

1:21 - About SUICIDE SQUAD; joke Harley Quinn's costume has garnered "a lot of discussion." They won't be a regular super team who gets to hang out when they aren't on missions; they'll only be operating when they're pulled out of their solitary cells. Harley Quinn is a fun psycho and King Shark is fighting to keep a grip on his humanity as he's "de-evolving" into a hammerhead. Compares relationship between Diablo and Deathshot to that of Cyclops and Wolverine - - the idealist vs. the cynic. First five issues will be never-ending barrage of intense missions.

1:25 - Costa promises that you won't be seeing "your Daddy's BLACKHAWKS." Most of the line-up is new characters. They're an international police team stopping rogue villains who have their hands on technology that they shouldn't have. There's a conspiracy to who's being armed and who isn't being armed, and the Blackhawks are going to stop a movement to marry man with machine.

1:29 - MEN OF WAR is a straight military book in the DCU about a private contractor named Joe Rock from a cut-off military family. First arc takes place in North Africa and, even though it'll have appearances from superheroes, it's mostly about normal men. Will feature a new version of Circe? Ivan Brandon being very careful about what he says for fear of spoiling some great surprises.

1:35 - Now talking about ALL STAR WESTERN. Really impressive art from Moritat but he admits to not being much of a talker next to Jimmy Palmiotti. Now the room's being opened for questions, though they're running out of time. Telling fans that it's their job to tell everybody that they love a book, otherwise it isn't going to be there for much longer. Brandon says that if they're doing their jobs right, then the least important part of the book is the number on the cover. Higgins says that it's key to make every issue a jumping-on point. Each issue of DEATHSTROKE will be a different mission.

1:42 - Awkwardly-phrased question about how past stories will factor in to SWAMP THING. Snyder says that they can't focus on all the elements of the mythos at once, but he'll be getting at the core of the character. Also stresses that they're all working together to try to make this DARK/EDGE family a cohesive corner of the universe. Jokes about Deathstroke fighting Swamp Thing in issue 3. Q: What does Harley have to look so evil when she's always been such a fun character? A: Even if her outfit's different, she'll still be the cool, fun Harley. Q: What's the difference between Vertigo and this? A: We're still in the DCU, with superheroes, and then we can't say certain words or show certain body parts. Q: Will Swamp Thing break off another piece of a fruit for another lucky lady? A: You'll have to read the book, brother.

And that's the end of the panel. This line's looking it'll be a great middle ground between traditional superheroes and edgy material you'd find in Vertigo.

Animal Man
Blackhawks
Deathstroke
Frankenstein
Justice League Dark
Men of War
Suicide Squad
Swamp Thing
I, Vampire
Voodoo
#1 Posted by The Impersonator (5564 posts) - - Show Bio

It's blood-sucking time for DC.

#2 Posted by sj_esposito (457 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't wait for Swamp Thing and Animal Man -- I think the Dark books are going to really be the stars of the revamp.

#3 Posted by sj_esposito (457 posts) - - Show Bio

...And it's good to hear that Stormwatch will keep Apollo and Midnighter true to character.

#4 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6885 posts) - - Show Bio

Ah so Deathstroke is the one who caused Carmageddon here huh? lol

#5 Posted by longbowhunter (7347 posts) - - Show Bio
@sEsposito7 said:
I can't wait for Swamp Thing and Animal Man -- I think the Dark books are going to really be the stars of the revamp.

I was really upset when I first heard about the reboot. These two books helped settle my nerves.
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#6 Posted by pikahyper (12488 posts) - - Show Bio

I must be in the minority cause I've only really loved Deathstroke in the '90s.

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#7 Posted by Outside_85 (9649 posts) - - Show Bio

Pity, nothing on JLD and more Slade being 'bad-ass', as if we weren't completely sick of that already.

#8 Posted by cosmo111687 (1489 posts) - - Show Bio

They didn't discuss Justice League Dark in this panel?

I hope that what they mean by Harley's costume garnering " a lot of discussion" is "we know that most Harley fans hate her costume and we're keeping it as only a temporary thing that's unique to this series."    

#9 Posted by cosmo111687 (1489 posts) - - Show Bio
@sEsposito7 said:
I can't wait for Swamp Thing and Animal Man -- I think the Dark books are going to really be the stars of the revamp.
I would definitely say that Super-Man, Batman, and the Dark line-ups are my three most highly anticipated line-ups.
#10 Posted by blackkitty (340 posts) - - Show Bio

Why did no one ask why they felt the need to change Harley's costume in the first place when she's such an beloved character? And what led to the decision to have king shark turn into a friggin hammer head? Gah! This is why I need to be at these panels. :(

#11 Posted by Benzo (621 posts) - - Show Bio

Yep, getting all the 'Dark' titles! 

#12 Posted by B_Heart (152 posts) - - Show Bio

I like slade going back to doing assassinations. Sounds interesting

#13 Posted by Bluefox170 (387 posts) - - Show Bio
 @Outside_85 said:
Pity, nothing on JLD and more Slade being 'bad-ass', as if we weren't completely sick of that already.
@Outside_85: Someone has to be =] 
#14 Posted by Roldan (241 posts) - - Show Bio
@blackkitty said:
Why did no one ask why they felt the need to change Harley's costume in the first place when she's such an beloved character? And what led to the decision to have king shark turn into a friggin hammer head? Gah! This is why I need to be at these panels. :(
Are those really that important questions? I thought the characters themselves were the important ones, not how they look. A hammerhead is still a shark and Harley looks were never that important. Sure i to prefer the old look but i don't really mind the new look either, she still looks like Harley to me.  
 
Also good panel, to bad Milligan wasn't there to talk about JL: Dark.
#15 Posted by TheLastLantern (47 posts) - - Show Bio

Gotta say, Slade's armor is pretty slick lookin'
#16 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13464 posts) - - Show Bio

can anyone identify the rest of the suicide squad for me?  
 
i only rcognize Harley, Killer Shark, Deadshot and el diablo
#17 Posted by jointron33 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

oh my gosh voodoo is sexy

#18 Posted by CrimsonTempest (307 posts) - - Show Bio

Dibs on Stormwatch and Swamp Thing. Interested also in Animal Man and Agent of SHADE.

#19 Posted by The Poet (8338 posts) - - Show Bio

the dark justice league looks nice...just want to see if it is my style

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#20 Posted by FoxxFireArt (3561 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait, I'm confused. "DC Dark"? What is that, DC comics that shows naked breasts and has Skinemax plot lines? I give these series about six months before they are ended.
 
Whenever you see this line used as a description:

" Costa promises that you won't be seeing 'your Daddy's BLACKHAWKS.' "

You are guaranteed to see utter cheeseball. This is what people say when they are so out of touch but trying to relate to younger readers. I just hope he wasn't being serious, but using the term in an ironic fashion.
 
Wow, I completely forgot that Voodoo is coming to DC comics, as well as other Wildstorm series.
#21 Posted by Outside_85 (9649 posts) - - Show Bio
@Bluefox170 said:
 @Outside_85 said:
Pity, nothing on JLD and more Slade being 'bad-ass', as if we weren't completely sick of that already.
@Outside_85: Someone has to be =] 
Sadly, when Slade has been bad-ass in the past, it means scores of heroes have their IQ drop by 50 points (see Infinite Crisis), I'm ok with Slade being portrayed as a cool dude, but I'd prefer it not happening by making other characters look like fools (when they aren't).
#22 Posted by Sekele (276 posts) - - Show Bio

OK, so Dark is basically going to be a bridge between the mainstream superheroes and Vertigo

#23 Posted by Riska (2 posts) - - Show Bio

What the hell is going on in that first I, Vampire image? Is it meant to be 5 different images? First she has her hood/hat thing, then no hood/hat thing and what I can only assume is fire. Then an ass shot with no train, followed by a return of the hood/hat thing and no fire, but with added train that wasn't there in the last panel. Finally, hood/hat thing is gone once more to be replaced by more pseudo-fire/smoke.
 
Eh?!
 
Anyway, some interesting titles here. I'm sure Lemire's Animal Man will be a hit, and I'm looking forward to Suicide Squad. Deathstroke becomes less an less interesting the more they push him. The last interesting thing he did was kneecap Bart Allen.

#24 Edited by JonesDeini (3620 posts) - - Show Bio
@sEsposito7 said:

...And it's good to hear that Stormwatch will keep Apollo and Midnighter true to character.

Word, this' lookin' real nice. Definitely shaping up to be my favorite corner of the DCU. That Animal Man art looks stellar, as does JLD, Vampire, and Frankenstein.
 
Dagnino's art on Resurrection man actually doesn't make me want to vomit in my mouth! Wow...how'd that happen? 
 
#25 Posted by TheLastLantern (47 posts) - - Show Bio

Swamp Thing + Scott Synder = Probable greatness
#26 Posted by JonesDeini (3620 posts) - - Show Bio

Couldn't help but think of Shadow Cabinet when he talked about Stormwatch. Glad he's going that route with the Authority team. 

#27 Posted by doordoor123 (3721 posts) - - Show Bio
@FoxxFireArt said:
Wait, I'm confused. "DC Dark"? What is that, DC comics that shows naked breasts and has Skinemax plot lines? I give these series about six months before they are ended.
 
Whenever you see this line used as a description:

" Costa promises that you won't be seeing 'your Daddy's BLACKHAWKS.' "

You are guaranteed to see utter cheeseball. This is what people say when they are so out of touch but trying to relate to younger readers. I just hope he wasn't being serious, but using the term in an ironic fashion.
 
Wow, I completely forgot that Voodoo is coming to DC comics, as well as other Wildstorm series.

Well I think the series you are talking about are both "Edge" comics. Which means edgy. So I would expect that sort of treatment. And in the past, sexy comics have sold. Sex sells.  
And youre judging Blachawks before you even read it. Thats not fair. Thats like me saying "Let me judge you before I even know you. I dont like you because youre just complaining. " But I dont feel that way. I think maybe youre just misinformed.   
:D
#28 Posted by Darkchild (41123 posts) - - Show Bio
@sEsposito7 said:
I can't wait for Swamp Thing and Animal Man -- I think the Dark books are going to really be the stars of the revamp.
#29 Posted by GT-Man (4054 posts) - - Show Bio

Finally DCU will probably be on par with Marvels horror and bloodiness

#30 Posted by Doctor!!!!! (2055 posts) - - Show Bio

I wish i could draw like that!

#31 Posted by TheMess1428 (2176 posts) - - Show Bio

I think I just got interested in Voodoo. :)

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