DC New 52 Cancellations & Fourth Wave Thoughts

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#1 Posted by theuncannySHAZAM (13 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay so as we all know next month kicks off the New 52's #0 month and Third Wave of comics. Also, we recently got word of the next title to be added to the New 52 is Justice League of America. With that said, there leaves a lot of speculation as to which current titles would be cancelled next. So, which comics do you think are going to get the axe and what are some titles that you would want to see in the New 52? Some of the titles that I think would go are Blue Beetle, The Fury of Firestorm & Savage Hawkman just to name a few. Titles that I would like to see incorporated in the New 52 are a Cyborg solo series, a Shazam title, Doom Patrol and as unlikely as it would be a new Static Shock title that didn't suffer as the first one did. Anyway, what are your thoughts and suggestions?

#2 Edited by 4_color_image (217 posts) - - Show Bio

Titles to ax:

  • Blue Beetle
  • Savage Hawkman
  • Grifter
  • Batwing
  • Legion Lost
  • The Fury of Firestorm

Titles to launch:

  • Enigma (Gay Vertigo character from the 1990s)
  • Shazam!
  • Doom Patrol
  • Sensation Comics (Wonder Woman acting like a super hero)
  • The Outsiders (Donna Troy, Wally West, Stephine Brown, Cassandra Cain, Artemis, Grace & other 'misplaced' characters)
  • Manhunter (Kate Spencer)
#3 Posted by Kairan1979 (16711 posts) - - Show Bio

6 titles to cancel:

- Blue Beetle

- Legion Lost

- The Fury of Firestorm

- Savage Hawkman

- I, Vampire

- Grifter.

6 New titles:

- Secret Six

- Booster Gold and Rip Hunter.

- Planetary (they already integrated a lot of Wildstorm universe, and I'd like to see Elijah Snow and his team again).

- Adam Strange.

- Question (as Vic Sage!).

- Vigilante (Punisher-esque version).

#4 Posted by StayclassyMarvel (60 posts) - - Show Bio

Axe:

-Blue Beetle

-Grifter

-The Fury of Firestorm

-Batman: The Dark Knight

-I, Vampire

-Deathstroke

New:

-Plastic Man (Street-based, detective comic)

-The Atom

-Shazam!

-Blue and Gold (With Booster and Jaime)

-Cyborg

-Doom Patrol

#5 Posted by SoA (4683 posts) - - Show Bio

no love for grifter or firestorm?

#6 Posted by Batnandez (511 posts) - - Show Bio

@StayclassyMarvel said:

Axe:

-Blue Beetle

-Grifter

-The Fury of Firestorm

-Batman: The Dark Knight

-I, Vampire

-Deathstroke

New:

-Plastic Man (Street-based, detective comic)

-The Atom

-Shazam!

-Blue and Gold (With Booster and Jaime)

-Cyborg

-Doom Patrol

I vampire is really good.

My list

Axe:

Blue Beetle

Firestorm

Hawkman

Legion Lost

Red Lanterns

New:

Red Robin/Cassie Cain book

Shazam

Wally West book

Booster Gold

Adam Strange

#7 Posted by SmashBrawler (5490 posts) - - Show Bio

Axe:

  • Batman: The Dark Knight, or Batman Inc. once Grant Morrison leaves
  • Legion Lost
  • The Fury of Firestorm
  • Savage Hawkman
  • Deathstroke
  • Grifter

Replacements:

  • Superman: The Man of Steel by Scott Snyder and Jim Lee
  • Doom Patrol
  • Red Robin
  • Shazam
  • Booster Gold
  • Strange Adventures (feat. Adam Strange, Captain Comet, LEGION/REBELS, etc.)
#8 Posted by Marco_Kidd (365 posts) - - Show Bio

Am I the only one who Like Savage Hawkman?

#9 Posted by cbrown1972 (4 posts) - - Show Bio

Ax list

  1. Grifter
  2. Blue Beetle
  3. Fury of Firestorm
  4. Savage Hawkman
  5. Legion Lost
  6. G.I. Combat (Yes I know its still early but by the time the new wave comes it will have run for 8 issues probably and it is the WORST selling title for any wave)

* I think Deathstroke might barely survive - but if its not G.I. Combat it will be Deathstroke

New Titles

  1. New Gods
  2. Power of Shazam
  3. The Creeper
  4. Doom Patrol
  5. Booster Gold
  6. Plastic Man
#10 Posted by CODYSF (2053 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Blue Beetle let the haters hate.

#11 Edited by Marco_Kidd (365 posts) - - Show Bio

Hawkman, Firestorm and Blue Beetle are some of my favortites from new 52 and there the ones everybody thinks are going to get cancelled , throw in Aquaman, Swamp Thing and Animal Man and why don't we just create 6 new Batman titles and just give up.

#12 Posted by The_Tree (7200 posts) - - Show Bio

Axe:

  • Savage Hawkman
  • Fury of Firestorm
  • Red Lanterns
  • Batgirl
  • Frankenstein: Agent of S.H.A.D.E.
  • Legion Lost

*(Honorable mentions go to Deathstroke and Grifter, but I think they have potential post-Liefeld. There's also Green Arrow, for which I hold just a sliver of hope that he'll one day return to his former glory.)

Add:

  • Shazam!
  • Red Robin
  • Booster Gold (or some sort of Time Masters book with him and Rip Hunter)
  • WildC.A.T.s
  • Cyborg
  • Doom Patrol (without that s### interpretation of Chief we have in Ravagers)
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#13 Posted by Trask (4 posts) - - Show Bio

Aww man, lotta hate against Grifter. I've only read 4 or 5, but I like the title so far.

#14 Posted by cbrown1972 (4 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not hating on Blue Beetle or Grifter. The facts are they are just the 2 worst selling New 52 titles. They just are not going to survive

#15 Posted by haydenclaireheroes (8865 posts) - - Show Bio

i hope we get a Shazam series, a Robin series, and a Stephanie Brown series.

#16 Posted by htb106 (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

@Trask: I think those issues are pre-Liefeld, the book was great then but now? not so much.

#17 Posted by htb106 (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

Titles to go:

Batgirl ( Babs lovers, don't kill me yet )

Legion Lost

Batman inc. ( Once Grant is gone )

Red Lanterns

Stormwatch

Grifter ( Unless they can recover from Liefeld )

I don't think Hawkman or Deathstroke should go becsuse they could be good books when Rob's gone.

New titles:

JLA

Red Robin

Man of Steel

Batgirls ( Babs, Steph, Cass, written by Gail Simone )

Kid Flash ( Scott Lobdell, possibly Brett Booth )

Cyborg

#18 Edited by Fuchsia_Nightingale (10180 posts) - - Show Bio

Drop:

Batman inc

Teen Titans..please lol

Batwing, not that I don't like him

Earth 2, why can't WF be earth one, no need to complicate things

Firestorm, unless We GET KILLER FROST !

Add:

Shazam!

Icon(with Rocket and Hardware)

Mister Miracle with Barda

Doom Patrol

I'm totally dead set against any more Batman anything, but a version of Outsiders with some of the first,second and third cancellations characters or characters like Raven, Bumble bee, Steph and Wally..call it Rejekts.

Steel mini.

Martian mini, with M'gann

#19 Posted by Mediumflyer7 (296 posts) - - Show Bio

What I would love is if DC brought in creators to make completely new characters. I would buy that, but if I have to choose..

Axe:

  • Worlds Finest (unless it gets more interesting)
  • Grifter
  • The Fury of Firestorm
  • Red Lanterns

New Titles:

  • Sensation Comics (idea from @4_color_image)

Batman has Detective, Superman has Action so why shouldn't Wonder Woman have another title as well. I think this book should be more focused on her hero side!

  • Red Robin

There have been some nods from DC towards a red robin series! I think it would be great

  • WildC.A.T.S

I dont know that much about the Wildstorm universe but if they made a book which was 100% new reader friendly (unlike Stormwatch) then I would be happy. Also Grifter will need somewhere to go!

  • Cyborg

DC tried to make a big deal out of Cyborg. why not give him his own title

#20 Posted by Marco_Kidd (365 posts) - - Show Bio

@haydenclaireheroes: just what we need 2 more Bat series

#21 Posted by TDK_1997 (14456 posts) - - Show Bio

Titles to Axe:

1.The Savage Hawkman

2.The Fury of Firestorm

3.Frankenstein Agent of S.H.A.D.E

4.Grifter

New Titles:

1.Outsiders

2.New Gods

3.WildC.A.T.S

4.SHAZAM!

#22 Posted by johnkmccubbin91 (3486 posts) - - Show Bio

Axe:

Batman: The Dark Knight

Birds of Prey

Legion of Super-Heroes or Legion Lost

Stormwatch

Demon Knights

Swamp Thing

New:

Red Robin

Kid Flash

The Outsiders (no New 52 introduced characters like Wally West, Stephanie Brown, Cassandra Caine and othersP

Cyborg

Shazam!

Booster Gold

#23 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (6005 posts) - - Show Bio
@Fuchsia_Nightingale: DC will never drop Teen titans even if it gets worse
#24 Posted by Joygirl (18457 posts) - - Show Bio

Why does everyone hate Red Lanterns? I was considering picking up the trade. As for axing... Deathstroke, and Suicide Squad. Gimme a Creeper and Secret Six.

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#25 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (6005 posts) - - Show Bio

CUT: Savage Hawkman, Legion of  Lost, 3 Batman related books( There are just too many and not all of them are great, sadly DC wont Cancel Batman).
REPLACE: Booster Gold, Question (VIC SAGE),   Martian Manhunter  Solo, Cyborg (Becuz DC made him a big part in the new 52, he should get a book)

#26 Posted by budheiser (47 posts) - - Show Bio

Cut: Grifter (which sucks because I love the character, although #12 was pretty sweet), Dark Knight, GI Combat

New: Booster Gold (best superhero ever), Captain Marvel, maybe some new characters like they're doing with Talon

#27 Posted by mpierce2690 (316 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't wanna see Hawkman get cancelled as much as I wanna see it taken in a completely different direction than it's going in. I'd rather see an Indiana Jones type deal with Carter trying to figure out his past, which could eventually lead to Shayera and maybe a new nemesis like Vandal Savage because of the reincarnation plot-line.

#28 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

AXE:

Grifter

Deathstroke

Batman Inc.

Catwoman

Legion of Lost

ADD:

Outsiders (Katana, Black Lightning, Metamorpho, Halo, Owlman, Geo-Force)

The Creeper

Freedom Fighters (Uncle Sam, Phantom Lady, Doll Man, The Ray, Human Bomb, Firebrand, Black Condor)

Secret Six (Jeannette, Ragdoll, Bane, Catman, Scandal Savage, Black Alice)

Steel

#29 Posted by serpent222 (319 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought that Firestorm and Grifter were already cancelled and just running to issue 12? But anyway:

The Ax to:

Firestorm

Grifter

Teen Titans (love the titans but it really is just bad)

Batgirl (Just keep her with Birds of Prey and knock off a batman title)

Hawkman (at least get a new writing team, the writing is unbearable.)

Legion of Superheroes (personal bias. I just straight up hate them.)

New ones:

Red Robin or solo Tim Drake title

Secret Six (omg, please)

Captain Marvel (maybe written like his character is in Young Justice)

Phantom Stranger (I don't know if one of the new titles actually features him, so that may be moot)

The Rogues (I'd generally like to see a villains group title. Secret Six aren't strictly villains, so Flash's Rogues fit the bill)

Joker (chronicling his hiatus from the DCU).

#30 Posted by SmashBrawler (5490 posts) - - Show Bio

@serpent222 said:

Phantom Stranger (I don't know if one of the new titles actually features him, so that may be moot)

Phantom Stranger has his own series. Issue zero came out last week.

#31 Edited by Hklb95 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

AXE

Blue Beetle

Batwing

Savage Hawkman

Green Arrow

Deathstroke or Worlds Finest

New titles

Blue and Gold (blue beetle and booster gold)

Sensation Comics (wonder woman's version of action and detective comics)

Impulse (this comic is about Wally West as impulse instead of Bart Allen because Bart is already kid flash so they should make Wally take on the persona)

Steel or Man of Steel (about John Henry Irons, they already introduced him in action comics now give him his own)

More Fun Comics (use this comic to bring back characters like aqualad (Jackson Hyde, Kaldur), Spoiler,Raven, and ext.... this comic also was what brought aquaman and other characters into the dc universe in the past)

----also i like teen titans and i don't ever want to see it go. the book is the place to introduce new young heroes in to the new 52 universe. The titans have so much potential, and although i like the story is does not mean you do. if anything the titans just need a different and better writer if you feel that the stories are bad.

#32 Posted by batmanary (798 posts) - - Show Bio

Cut

Blue Beetle

Savage Hawkman

Green Arrow

World's Finest

Grifter

Batman Inc (Once Morrison's gone, they should wrap up the title and end it)

GL New Guardians

New

Shazam!

Sensation Comics (as an anthology type book)

Adventure Comics (See above)

Time Corps (Booster Gold, Rip Hunter)

Elseworlds

Sandman (Earth 2)

Mr. Terrific (With good writers, this time!)

In addition

All-American Comics (Should follow the Liberty File universe)

#33 Posted by Ironhawk22 (320 posts) - - Show Bio

It's great to see so many people want the Secret Six back! I'm going to include creative changes. Axe Deathstroke; Easiest choice for me. Deathstroke works best as a recurring villain. Sales are low and I don't know if anyone could really save the book. Grifter; Also easy choice, it appears we may soon see a WildC.A.T.S. title and he's in Team 7. I really don't think he needs three titles. Batman Inc; I love this book so much but this is Grant's book. Superboy; Sorry, not needed. Even Lemire couldn't write a good Superboy solo. That and current Connor has no personality make this book a needed cancellation. Catwoman; I like Selina but I think perhaps she may not better of in Tec' or something(With Layman and Fabok still on the book). However she's on the JLA and there was nothing truely great about this run. Fury of Firestorm; I like Firestorm, but three creative teams and sales still are bad put him on JL. Add Secret Six or Seven; Simone, Califiore. Team would consist of Scandal, Black Alice, Giganta, Knockout, Catman, King Shark, and Ragdoll. CAPTAIN THUNDER(!); Shazam is the stupidest name ever. If you can't call him Cap Marvel then use Thunder. Seriously how can he even say my name is Shazam without turning back into Billy. Lemire and Gary Frank. No Johns, Billy isn't angsty, and Lemire is just a better writer. Red Robin and the Outsiders; Tomasi and Burnham. Spin-off of Batman Inc. Halo, Metamorpho, Black Lightning, El Guacho, Red Robin, Freight Train(or not it really doesn't matter), Red Raven, and Spoiler and Black Bat(wishful thinking). Doom Patrol; Giffen and Clark. Classic lineup. Global Guardians; The original Olympian, Godiva, August General, Crimson Fox,Batwing & Little Mermaid To Be Continued...

#34 Posted by cbrown1972 (4 posts) - - Show Bio

Well... I got 1 right. GI Combat was cancelled today. It will be finished after Issue #7. Hopefully no more war comics from DC

#35 Posted by sagejonathan (1808 posts) - - Show Bio

@CODYSF said:

I love Blue Beetle let the haters hate.

Thankyou. I'm not alone.

#36 Posted by Hklb95 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

@sagejonathan: i like blue beetle i just think the comic would be cooler and better if it was both blue beetle and booster gold

#37 Posted by mpierce2690 (316 posts) - - Show Bio

@sagejonathan said:

@CODYSF said:

I love Blue Beetle let the haters hate.

Thankyou. I'm not alone.

You're definitely not alone, I think most people want Blue Beetle cancelled so that Jaime can start a new title with Booster Gold as his partner. That'd be a crazy good story to read, I'd think.

#38 Posted by Hklb95 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

@mpierce2690: I agree with that 100 percent

#39 Posted by Sovereign91001 (3981 posts) - - Show Bio

Give Steel a run, he hasn't been seen since AC and I'd love to see his character get another shot.

#40 Edited by mpierce2690 (316 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, I never actually posted by Axe/Add list, so here it is:

AXE:

  • Batwing
  • Blue Beetle
  • Deathstroke
  • The Fury of Firestorm: the Nuclear Man
  • Grifter
  • Legion Lost

ADD:

  • Blue & Gold - A team-up comic featuring Booster Gold and Jamie Reyes as the Blue Beetle.
  • Kid-Flash - Initially, a book about Bart Allen, but eventually would lead to the re-introduction of Wally West, whom Bart would surrender the Kid-Flash name to, deeming himself a little too "Impulsive" for the spotlight and becoming Impulse and remaining with the Teen Titans to hone his hero-craft.
  • Red Robin - A solo Tim Drake book.
  • Sensational Comics - A Wonder Woman book, ala Action Comics and Detective Comics, which would revolve around meeting Steve Trevor and her adjustment to coming to America. Specifically, I'd like to see how she goes from Princess Diana, Champion of Women to Wonder Woman, Champion of Equality.
  • Shazam! - A solo Billy Batson book.
  • Superman: The Man of Steel - Written by Scott Snyder and drawn by Jim Lee, as rumored.

I'm on the fence about Batman Inc, as I want the story to be wrapped up with Grant Morrison, but I wouldn't mind seeing it shift into a story that could re-introduce and follow the likes of Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, and Batwing as a team similar to the Birds of Prey.

Otherwise I'd cancel it for either Cyborg or Martian Manhunter.

#41 Posted by Hklb95 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

@mpierce2690 said:

Also, I never actually posted by Axe/Add list, so here it is:

AXE:

  • Batwing
  • Blue Beetle
  • Deathstroke
  • The Fury of Firestorm: the Nuclear Man
  • Grifter
  • Legion Lost

ADD:

  • Blue & Gold - A team-up comic featuring Booster Gold and Jamie Reyes as the Blue Beetle.
  • Kid-Flash - Initially, a book about Bart Allen, but eventually would lead to the re-introduction of Wally West, whom Bart would surrender the Kid-Flash name to, deeming himself a little too "Impulsive" for the spotlight and becoming Impulse and remaining with the Teen Titans to hone his hero-craft.
  • Red Robin - A solo Tim Drake book.
  • Sensational Comics - A Wonder Woman book, ala Action Comics and Detective Comics, which would revolve around meeting Steve Trevor and her adjustment to coming to America. Specifically, I'd like to see how she goes from Princess Diana, Champion of Women to Wonder Woman, Champion of Equality.
  • Shazam! - A solo Billy Batson book.
  • Superman: The Man of Steel - Written by Scott Snyder and drawn by Jim Lee, as rumored.

I'm on the fence about Batman Inc, as I want the story to be wrapped up with Grant Morrison, but I wouldn't mind seeing it shift into a story that could re-introduce and follow the likes of Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, and Batwing as a team similar to the Birds of Prey.

Otherwise I'd cancel it for either Cyborg or Martian Manhunter.

i don't think that Bart Allen should become impulse again. the story would not make sense seeing that if wally became kid flash in this time he would have actually had less time to hone his powers than Bart has had. Bart is also not that impulsive in the comic were as it is more that he does not understand where he came from which causes him to act the way that he does. if you make wally impulsive it could lead into Barry's relationship with iris as he train wally to hone his powers. impulse would be the perfect starting point for wally in the new 52 and Bart should hold his title seeing as though what made him impulse was the fact that he was impulsive which he no longer is to an extent

#42 Posted by mpierce2690 (316 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hklb95 said:

i don't think that Bart Allen should become impulse again. the story would not make sense seeing that if wally became kid flash in this time he would have actually had less time to hone his powers than Bart has had. Bart is also not that impulsive in the comic were as it is more that he does not understand where he came from which causes him to act the way that he does. if you make wally impulsive it could lead into Barry's relationship with iris as he train wally to hone his powers. impulse would be the perfect starting point for wally in the new 52 and Bart should hold his title seeing as though what made him impulse was the fact that he was impulsive which he no longer is to an extent

Fair enough.

I was thinking more along the lines of "I think of Kid-Flash being somewhere between Impulse and Flash, so therefore, would want Wally second to only Barry" but whatever gets Wally back is fine with me. For argument's sake, in my head, I was thinking that Wally would be much more of a "natural" at it, but like I said, I just want Wally back.

#43 Posted by JSH92 (414 posts) - - Show Bio

@CODYSF said:

I love Blue Beetle let the haters hate.

I know, right? Why is everyone saying that Blue Beetle is gonna get cancelled? It's fantastic.

#44 Posted by Hklb95 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

@JSH92 said:

@CODYSF said:

I love Blue Beetle let the haters hate.

I know, right? Why is everyone saying that Blue Beetle is gonna get cancelled? It's fantastic.

its not bad but the story would be cooler with blue beetle and booster gold as partners

blue and gold for the win

#45 Posted by JSH92 (414 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hklb95 said:

@JSH92 said:

@CODYSF said:

I love Blue Beetle let the haters hate.

I know, right? Why is everyone saying that Blue Beetle is gonna get cancelled? It's fantastic.

its not bad but the story would be cooler with blue beetle and booster gold as partners

blue and gold for the win

Yea, I really enjoyed the issue with Booster. I'd like to see him show up some more in it (especially since JLI has been cancelled, and it was my favorite title!!!!!).

#46 Posted by Hklb95 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnkmccubbin91: the outsiders is a good idea if the comic comes in under the young justice titles in dc comics it makes more sense

#47 Posted by Superbat420 (244 posts) - - Show Bio

No more batman titles. Wtf. Cancel, catwoman, Batman the dark knight, Red lanterns, Legion lost. Replace with, Shazam, booster gold, a mutiverse book, and book that recaps past events for everyone, like an showcase type of thing, so we have some idea what the hell is going on, and as a suggestion, they should bring wally west and donna Troy back but not as the same, make them badasses and join red hood and the outlaws.

#48 Posted by Hklb95 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

@Superbat420: there is a multiverse comic that was just announced and they might put those characters in that you never know, but i would like to see wally and donna in the outlaws

#49 Posted by ReVamp (22863 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone wants to cancel my favorite titles >__>

#50 Posted by wessaari (621 posts) - - Show Bio

Axe:

Batman Inc (There are too many Batman perspective titles and i dont care for Morrison's work)

Deathstroke

GI Combat

Firestorm

Honorable mentions: Green Arrow, Catwoman, Batman: Dark Knight, Blue Beetle (come on Lobdell, fight for him to be on the Titans)

Add:

JLA (we know its going to happen)

Detective Comics (after the next arc, change to perspective to Red Robin)

Cyborg (ive been convinced that he deserves his own series)

Outsiders (add characters that Havent yet appeared; Wally West, Donna Troy, Cass Cain, Stephanie Brown, Mia Dearden and some other worthy characters that i havent thought of yet)

Those are my 2 cents, most likely wont happen but id like to read em

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