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    Yes you read that right. Batwoman just lost writers. You know why? They wanted to marry her off to her girlfriend and DC said no. Oh they're fine with making straight characters gay, but gay marriage for the ones that ARE? OH NO THAT'S HORRIBLE!!!!! DC can go to hell. They have the balls to make the oldest and greatest Green Lantern gay, but gay marriage? Nope, they said that will never happen......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

    THE HELL?!?!??! YOU TURN A STRAIGHT CHARACTER GAY AND YET YOU ARE AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE?!?!? YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS DC!!!!!!!

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    It wasn't about them being gay, calm down.
    DC just hates marriage in general is all it is. The creative team from Batwoman even said it wasn't about them being gay.

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    #3  Edited By Smart_Dork_Dude

    @decoyelite: Yeah, I MIGHT believe that. If Batman in Earth 2 wasn't married. I don't care if he's dead now, that's a confirmed marriage!! Face it, the heads at DC are the biggest bunch of hypocrites in the world and that NONE of their decisions have been for the best in ANY respect. The New 52 is a failure, this confirms it. So far EVERYTHING that has been done either shouldn't have been done or could have been done without the reboot!!!!!!!!

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    I don't even...

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    @smart_dork_dude: I think you might be letting your emotions get the better of you here. Everyone involved in the nixing of the marriage has agreed that it wasn't about it being a gay marriage.

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    @decoyelite: Yeah. They HAVE to say that because they'd look bad if they told the truth.

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    #7  Edited By DecoyElite

    @smart_dork_dude: Except the creative team that quit and pointed out the crap DC did is agreeing with them when they have no reason to lie.

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    @decoyelite: DC paid them off. That whole thing of them saying

    "Oh, well we don't want any marriages right now"

    That's bullcrap and they know it!! They can't say they don't want gay marriage because it will make them look bad as they said that their reboot would be kinder to the gay community and showcase new gay characters. Yeah, well that was a lie. Also thanks to their little reboot, they ruined an established gay marriage. The first in comics really. Midnighter and Apollo.

    Speaking of, why not market THEM? Hmm? Oh that's right, they're not part of a highly recognizable brand-name like Green Lantern so there's no need to force changes on them that don't need to be made!!!

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    @smart_dork_dude: They paid them off? Are you listening to yourself here? Chill out man.

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    @decoyelite: DC paid them off. That whole thing of them saying

    "Oh, well we don't want any marriages right now"

    That's bullcrap and they know it!! They can't say they don't want gay marriage because it will make them look bad as they said that their reboot would be kinder to the gay community and showcase new gay characters. Yeah, well that was a lie. Also thanks to their little reboot, they ruined an established gay marriage. The first in comics really. Midnighter and Apollo.

    Speaking of, why not market THEM? Hmm? Oh that's right, they're not part of a highly recognizable brand-name like Green Lantern so there's no need to force changes on them that don't need to be made!!!

    You're so paranoid it hurts.

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    I don't know what to say. I don't think DC hates gay people, they've proven they don't. I do think they dislike marrying characters if they don't have to. I don't think this whole scenario had anything to do with Batwoman being gay.

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    Accusations like this are what will make people dismiss the problems with DC as fans being unnecessarily boisterous. The problem is that DC editors are interfering with writers' creative vision at the last minute, NOT that DC is against gay marriage. As is mentioned above, DC is vocal about not wanting their hero characters to marry (except for the select few). That is why so many marriages to big name heroes have been retconned and/or eliminated. This has nothing to do with Batwoman's sexuality. But that doesn't mean that there isn't an issue. If we're going to blame DC for anything, it should be that they are alienating their greatest writers by allowing editors to bully them into making stupid decisions.

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    Yes you read that right. Batwoman just lost writers. You know why? They wanted to marry her off to her girlfriend and DC said no. Oh they're fine with making straight characters gay, but gay marriage for the ones that ARE? OH NO THAT'S HORRIBLE!!!!! DC can go to hell. They have the balls to make the oldest and greatest Green Lantern gay, but gay marriage? Nope, they said that will never happen......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

    THE HELL?!?!??! YOU TURN A STRAIGHT CHARACTER GAY AND YET YOU ARE AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE?!?!? YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS DC!!!!!!!

    DUDE CALM DOWN!! 1) Just because they're not marrying her now, doesn't mean they never will. 2) DC doesn't really like marriage that much, so if they're not getting married, no biggie.

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    @gator4eva: @spideyivydaredevilfan26: @supbatz: @decoyelite: Oh, none of you have any idea the amount of hatred I have for this!!!!!! I'm having flashbacks to One More Day!!!! And that's what the New 52 is. A giant One More Day retcon. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Apollo and Midnighter anyone?

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    #21 BumpyBoo  Moderator

    Can't help but feel this is the difference between fighting inequality and looking for it.

    @supbatz said:

    Accusations like this are what will make people dismiss the problems with DC as fans being unnecessarily boisterous. The problem is that DC editors are interfering with writers' creative vision at the last minute, NOT that DC is against gay marriage. As is mentioned above, DC is vocal about not wanting their hero characters to marry (except for the select few). That is why so many marriages to big name heroes have been retconned and/or eliminated. This has nothing to do with Batwoman's sexuality. But that doesn't mean that there isn't an issue. If we're going to blame DC for anything, it should be that they are alienating their greatest writers by allowing editors to bully them into making stupid decisions.

    Very well said :)

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    The reason they aren't getting married is because DC is afraid of marrying off characters, you may ask why this would be (in fact, you gave an example, a pathetic one that couldn't have missed the point any harder without going in the other direction, but I digress), but it's for the same reason OMD occurred over at Marvel; Marriage limits the amount of potential stories that can be written about characters (quantity > quality in this case, DC would rather market mediocre stories for the next 100 years than awe-inspiring ones for the next 10 years and the same applies to Marvel) in ways that can't be undone without doing harm to a character's image (at least, what the big wigs would consider harm).

    Allow me to try and explain. I'm going to ramble a lot.

    The ideal character to look at when it comes to this discussion is Spider-Man, so we'll use him as an example because he epitomizes the complete dodging of these problems and why a company would fear Marriage (even though I liked MJ).

    Spider-Man got married back in the 80's in real time, however this lead to the limiting of the type of stories that could be told with the character, they were no longer able to have romantic subplots involving him and prospective love interests (at least, they couldn't for just under 30 years), no longer could they re-use that same stupid F***ING subplot where he misses a date because he had to go be Spider-Man and has to make it up to them without exposing his identity. With this sort of story once the characters marry they would have the moment where the significant other would be extremely worried about their partner but for the sake of the serialized nature (ie. never-ending nature) of the story they would have to either get of their fears OR learn to be strong and live with them and not bring them up too much because if they continue to whine and moan they'll begin to annoy the audience; though this can be done without a marriage. When married the "Will they or won't they" of the romantic sub-plot is gone, it's already happened. In fiction marriage is sort of considered set in stone, people see it as "it'll be fine, they'll get over it", it's got a lot to do with the social view of marriage (it also has to do with reasons I will address in a moment to do with divorce) and they can't really kill a romantic interest in these books without seriously raising the question of whether or not these people can, within good conscience, ever be romantically involved with other people. If characters break up then that just happens, they move on and get to do the whole "will they, won't they?" dance all over again, they can do all the same crap over with a different character and if the writers aren't idiots they'll do it with a character and dynamics that will allow for the whole relationship to be looked at from different angles than were previously possible.

    Now for Divorce. You've probably noticed, especially with the New 52, that comic companies want their characters young, or at the very least, seeming young, what with Superman now being 25, Wonder Woman being 21 (Can you believe she was meant to be 16 in the first 6 issues of Justice League? That's so awkward) just to name a few, but there are things that in the popular consciousness are things that, for whatever reason, seem like "old people things", even though they're hardly done by just old people, it's just something that's stuck in the minds of people. When MOST people think of someone who's divorced (yes there have been a lot of studies done on this) they tend to think of someone who's in their 30's or even older, they don't think of someone young (even though you'll encounter a lot of people who are divorced at extremely young ages, for example, a friend of mine is 19 and already divorced), so if a character ever gets divorced it makes them SEEM older and that's something DC desperately wants to avoid and even earlier still I mentioned killing off characters, being a widower has the same effect (if they were married) except it's even worse, so for these companies if characters EVER get hitched it's a permanent thing for them (at least until they stop being complete retards and realize that people can happily read stories about older characters and heroes who are married *cough* Animal Man *cough*).

    There's also how people in America feel (No, the comic companies don't really care what other countries think at all because the majority of sales come from America, which, as someone from another country, annoys me greatly) about Marriage, believe it or not, your country is a lot more... socially backward than most other Western/European countries, you're debating issues and fighting over things that everyone has settled long ago, Gay Marriage and the like? Most other countries have that sorted, there's still some movement, but it's essentially dealt with. Marriage being an overly religious thing (tied to the gay marriage thing) is also still a huge deal in America, however other Western/European countries are fairly non-religious in their attitudes (though of course religious people are still there, they just don't have the numbers to be relevant like they do in America). (People, please don't turn this into a religious debate, the points I've made are irrelevant to whether or not your religion/beliefs are true, it's about the numbers, which is what these companies care about). You're probably wondering why I bring this up; It's because there's still a noteworthy portion of religious people (not even a majority of religious people, but enough that these companies will do a double-take) that feel that divorce is an affront to the institution of marriage and an insult to god, that once people are married they may NEVER leave each other, whether or not it's a horrible relationship. These people are still money to DC and at the end of the day, their money is just as good as your money to them. (Yes, with my example of Spider-Man Marvel did indeed unintentionally screw the pooch with this crowd anyway, despite saying "No really, he's totally not Satan").

    Besides, DC is owned by Warner Bros. and there are so many more reasons that you should hate, loathe and despise Warner Bros. than this.

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    #25  Edited By Mercy_

    DC doesn't hate gay characters. They just hate happiness.

    Anyways, I'm locking this thread.

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