Both. Vader is (or was) the greatest villain, AND, the greatest henchmen. Thats how badass the dude was. One category couldn't contain him. (he was also a great hero in his time).

"Both. Vader is (or was) the greatest villain, AND, the greatest henchmen. Thats how badass the dude was. One category couldn't contain him. (he was also a great hero in his time). "

" Both. Vader is (or was) the greatest villain, AND, the greatest henchmen. Thats how badass the dude was. One category couldn't contain him. (he was also a great hero in his time). "

" @War Killer:  I'm conflicted about that. I mean, yes, he did safe the galaxy at the end, but for years and years and years before that he helped turn it into something that needed saving...I'm not sure you can kill kids and pretty much everything else in between for over 20 years and then turn around and be called a hero because of one redeeming act. Its a tough call. "

" @Gambler said:

" @War Killer:  I'm conflicted about that. I mean, yes, he did safe the galaxy at the end, but for years and years and years before that he helped turn it into something that needed saving...I'm not sure you can kill kids and pretty much everything else in between for over 20 years and then turn around and be called a hero because of one redeeming act. Its a tough call. "

True, I'm pretty sure a lot of people didn't forgive him for the things he did, but from what I got through the movies, he had to do all of those things he did to get to where he was in the VI movie, but there could be many reasons and ways people see his "redemption." "

Vader is the great hero and savior of the Star Wars series. Luke Skywalker was fairly useless in the end. Vader is the one who brought balance to the force, and saved the galaxy from the threat of the Sith. Luke helped him get there, but really, he was just the lesser son of a greater man. The Jedi Council are the real villains of the prequels, IMO. They screw the pooch at every possible turn. They alienate their savior, pushing him directly into the arms of an incredibly powerful Sith Lord, who they completely failed to identify over the course of years of close contact. Mace Windu is a particularly terrible offender, putting Anakin down at every turn, denying him the rank of Master, etc. I was actually glad that the Jedi got killed off in the prequels. They were a bunch of self-righteous idiots who couldn't foresee their own downfall, despite all their vaunted power. Yoda was also a terrible Jedi, who had all that power, and let it lapse over the years until he was no longer any kind of threat. He then sends Vader's son after him, to finish a job that the entire Jedi order failed to accomplish. The Jedi were fools and cowards, and Vader ended up being a greater force for good than any of them were.

" Vader is the great hero and savior of the Star Wars series. Luke Skywalker was fairly useless in the end. Vader is the one who brought balance to the force, and saved the galaxy from the threat of the Sith. Luke helped him get there, but really, he was just the lesser son of a greater man. The Jedi Council are the real villains of the prequels, IMO. They screw the pooch at every possible turn. They alienate their savior, pushing him directly into the arms of an incredibly powerful Sith Lord, who they completely failed to identify over the course of years of close contact. Mace Windu is a particularly terrible offender, putting Anakin down at every turn, denying him the rank of Master, etc. I was actually glad that the Jedi got killed off in the prequels. They were a bunch of self-righteous idiots who couldn't foresee their own downfall, despite all their vaunted power. Yoda was also a terrible Jedi, who had all that power, and let it lapse over the years until he was no longer any kind of threat. He then sends Vader's son after him, to finish a job that the entire Jedi order failed to accomplish. The Jedi were fools and cowards, and Vader ended up being a greater force for good than any of them were. "

" I cant tell if you're being serious or not..."

" @Gambler said:

" I cant tell if you're being serious or not..."

No one ever can. "

" @Gambler said:

" I cant tell if you're being serious or not..."

No one ever can. "

" @Gambler: Anakin brought balance to the force by bringing it down to just two Sith and two Jedi. "

World's most capable hench

" World's most capable hench "

" Not an objective truth. Rather a subjective truth. LOL.   Define what bringing balance to the force means.  "

I'm more of a fan of

Vader to me is a main villain. He wanted to kill the emperor, but he had to do it carefully. It was a matter of timing.

" @Emperor Gonzo Noir said:

" World's most capable hench "

I dunno. I think if one of my henchmen killed me, I'd seriously consider firing him. "

Henchman for me since Anakin as a jedi he was never a master technically so was a underling jedi. When he switched he became greatly feared and did many evil things but never pushed to take control for himself, when he would of definetly pushed and possably beaten Palpatine. Granted post suit grafting Anakin was weaker than when he had his own limbs , but luke lost and arm and he went on to be hugely powerful after. I think Vader never had the will to be the main villian  he just spent his life  disillusioned  with the prophecy  and of his lost wife and children ths become a broken man and had no over real options other than to serve.

" @Emperor Gonzo Noir said:

" World's most capable hench "

I dunno. I think if one of my henchmen killed me, I'd seriously consider firing him. "

" didn't say he was the best, just the most capable "