@jonny_anonymous said:
@microwave25 said:
Ye I'm sorry but people who argue that this is just reverted to a generic superhero story are delusional. This is one of the most unique titles on the shelves
The argument that "its not my Daredevil because I've been reading it since he was yellow" is just trash. Get over yourselves and accept that your opinion isn't the only one out there
You seem slightly confused, what exactly is unique about this book? Also you realise it was the user that likes this book that was saying "I'v read the most so my opinion counts more"
@the_mast said:
@jonny_anonymous said:
@the_mast said:
@daredevil21134 said:
@the_mast said:
I've read Daredevil consistently for 21 years of my 27-year life. Waid is one of the absolute best to ever write this character.
Now, my time does not mean my opinion is fact, because no opinion IS. What it DOES make me is a bit more of an authority than the average guy. Some folks won't like Daredevil unless Bullseye is killing a girlfriend and Matt is crying in every other issue, drawn by Maleev. That is just how it goes. You have to ignore those people.
Mark Waid has given Foggy cancer and put heaps of stress on Daredevil. How is this not "dark"? Does it need to be drawn by Maleev and occur at night, during a rainstorm? Get over it.
I initially thought Bullseye was the guy behind it all, but now I'm thinking of another guy (That's not a spoiler. No main villain is revealed).
Ikari is absolutely amazing. The whole method of, "You've been outmatched. I am your superior and I am not even the dude behind all this." was AMAZING. The costume that alluded to his original one, the robe...GAH! SO amazing. It reminded me of when Bullseye let Daredevil live in the boxing ring just so he'd know that he should've killed him. "We're coming for you. I'm letting you walk away so you have to live with it." It's AMAZING. Stress is a killer, and that's what they're using on Matt. They want to drive Matt to the point where he'd just prefer a bullet...and then let him live. My money is on Bullseye being behind it all, but the wild card is Mr. Fear. Either way...SO excited.
This was all incredible.
I am also 27 years of age and I have read just about every DD comic ever made and I think Waid is one of the worst ever but that's just my opinion.I guess that gives me more authority than the average guy as well.Me not liking Waid isn't all about the book not being dark.But I don't expect you to understand why some fans can't like something you love because every one is the same right?So we shouldn't state our opinion we should just get over it.
"Read just about..."
I own every single one with no reprints. Not to upstage, but it is what it is.
"Now, my time does not mean my opinion is fact, because no opinion IS."
One of my opening lines. Read, please.
If the reason YOU do not like Waid is different to the one I stated, then obviously it's not applicable. If your reasoning is something understandble, then whatever. I disagree, but that's fine. "FANS" don't dislike things for the same reason. My post that you took issue with was mainly addressing the people who whine about the tone and want Waid gone because he's not Bendis, Miller or O'Neil. If that isn't you, then why are you getting upset?
I have no problems with people disliking something I love. I dislike flawed rationale and reasoning. Bashing Waid because he's not writing Daredevil the way YOU like is pure b.s. and nonsense. He is writing extremely well. The way he writes is mechanically and technically brilliant. There are gourmet meals I hate, but they're still made well. People acting like Waid is writing BAD Daredevil comics based on, "I don't like it"? No. That doesn't work.
Daniel Way wrote BAD Deadpool. Not "I don't like it." BAD Deadpool. He ignored everything established and basically disregarded all previous series'. Waid isn't doing that.
I never said everyone is the same or that nobody can have an opinion. I said the opposite. Sit down.
"My collection is bigger than your collection" You say your 27? Dude you sound like a 10yo. You say Waids DD run is mechanically and technically brilliant? Ha so a book filled with jokes about the Kardashians and and plot holes about DD's identity being known not to mention completely ignoring everything from Andy Diggles run is technically brilliant? Well you must just have lower standards than us.
Nothing was cleared up after Shadowland, not the giant tower filled with ninja in the middle of town, not the Snakeroot Clan, not even the possession by the Beast. All of it was ignored so Waid could go about writing his Silver Age fanwank, don't you think that it's completely in Matt's character to tackle all these things head on as they are all his fault, because I do.
That's not even my first problem with this book. Daredevil used to pretty unique, it was the only crime-noir book in the Marvel stable, sure Punisher flirted with that territory now and again but his books never have staying power but now instead of keeping the line more diverse they'v turned it in to a generic run of the mill superhero book, because god knows there isn't enough of those on the shelves already. You say me and DD21134 should sit down? No thanks, I think we'll stand.
I mentioned my collection and he replied. That's all it was. He replied as if it was a challenge and I replied in kind. There's no more to it.
Waid mentioned Shadowland in the first issue. If you feel that this series has been nothing but jokes about the Kardashians and gags, then you have been wishfully seeing what you want to see because that is factually not the case. Simplifying the book into what you WISH it would be, just to satisfy your irrational hatred for what Waid is doing? What are you, 10?
Reborn was the series that dealt with Shadowland and with Matt facing his regrets. Why would Waid start his series off by dealing with the same story? That would be dull, trite and boring. Shadowland happened and, outside of the first issue, was a cataclysmic disaster. It was shoddy and terrible. Reborn didn't do much better, but it became pretty clear that MARVEL wanted to sweep that under the rug. NOT Waid. Waid did mention it. It's a plot point. Matt dealt with his issues during Reborn and came back with a clean slate, not wanting to deal with anything. All despite the fact that Foggy warned him to deal with it head on and not ignore it. Kingpin runs The Hand now, so for Matt to dive right back into that would mean another Matt Vs Kingpin/Ninjas story that we've seen a million times before. Of course, your irrational hatred doesn't allow you to see that.
So, what is your issue with Daredevil then? Because DD21134 clearly backed out due to not having a potent argument. What's yours? "It's not Bendis"? If that's the case, sit down. Daredevil isn't like other superhero books on the shelves. Just because it's MORE like them than it used to be, doesn't mean it's so much like them. A steak is totally different to an apple. An orange is closer to an apple than steak, but it's still entirely different. You have no grounds.
All you two sit there and say is that you dislike Waid. When asked for clarification you simply echo, "OH IT'S JUST JOKES AND IT'S NOT CRIME-NOIR RAINY MALEEV ANYMORE." So what? Sit back down, you've got nothing. Your problem is, "It's not crime-noir anymore." So what? It's not what you want so it's shitty? It doesn't work like that.
You're as bad as Fantastic Four fans who can't get over the Byrne run and criticise everything since. Criticising Waid for not doing Bendis/Miller is like criticising Hickman for not doing Byrne.
You went from "all comic arcs featuring the same bad guy are exactly the same" to "not all super hero comics are the same" logic FTW? You really think I WANT to dislike this book? Really? I'v read most of Waids indy work and I really like all of it (love Insufferable) but this book I hate. Mentioning something isn't the same as actually tieing off huge loose ends and then opening some back up for no reason. Reborn didn't deal with anything, all it did was make Matt want to go back to NY, having Matt going to Japan to take on the Sankeroot Clan and the Beast directly would have been closure, instead we get Matt prancing around in a "I'm not Daredevil" jumper and snogging brides.
Hay you know what the best thing about an opinion is? It doesn't need a leg to stand on. You know fine well why we don't like this book it's been stated a number of times, I am a fan of pulp-crime-noir, this book used to be that and I liked it, now it is not so now I don't like it, it's not a hard concept to grasp and that is exactly how it works. , I see you like food allegory's so hows about this one: you like tomatoes and I don't, want to tell me I'm wrong?
You wan't pepole to ignore our opinions and only listen to your superior opinion, that's fine ignore away, just remember that we hate something that you love and guess what, there's a lot more than just us.
Also stop telling pepole to "sit down" over the internet, nobody stands up while using a lap top.
Quote where I said either of those two initial things. QUOTE. Not, "Well, more or less." Either quote or admit you ballsed up the interpretation of what I said intentionally or otherwise. I said retreading old story ground right after Shadowland would've been boring to me. I also said that just because Daredevil isn't crime-noir, which was VERY different, it doesn't mean it's NO different just because it's now LESS different. I recognise that notion confused you. The notion that something can be varying degrees of different probably is a tough thing to consider.
Are you honestly going to continue this convenient over-simplification of Waid's Daredevil? Waid's Daredevil is no more about him prancing around in a "jumper" and snogging brides than Bendis' Daredevil was him being a whine idiot in the rain. Jokes aside. You know that. So, stop doing it.
Opinions DO actually need a leg to stand on. Facts are truth, but for personal opinions to be taken seriously they must be considered and reasonable. It's the opinion of the Westboro Baptist Church that God allowed the Boston bombings because of their liberal stance on things. Now, whilst nobody can prove God either way, that is an unsustainable opinion because it has absolutely no basis.
Also, stop pushing this idea that I've told people they're wrong for not liking it. I never did that on any level, at any point. I challenged people who don't like it. I'm allowed an opinion on your opinion. What I don't understand is this constant reading and criticising of a book you dislike. I have read Deadpool since the '90s. You know what I did when I stopped liking him? I dropped the book. I didn't keep coming to the review page of issues and a series I didn't like, wishing for the man who many DO like, to stop writing the series. You used to like it, now you don't. So, you keep reading? You have no right to complain. Either you keep buying these books you KNOW you won't like, which is hypocritical and petulant, or you are stealing them to read them and still complaining. The other option is that you aren't reading it at all, and yet you still complain. Either way, you have no legs here. You don't like it. Ok, great. Why are you hear then? I could understand if it was a few issues in and you'd given it a chance.
This is #25. Why are you still here complaining about Waid? He's going nowhere and you don't have to read his work. You choose to or you choose not to. "I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT I THINK!" Yes, but if you keep reading something you hate because you wanna bitch, then you HAVE no credibility. Right to speak doesn't bestow credibility upon what you choose to say with that right. Learn that.
THAT is my issue with what you do. You don't like this current series but you read it and still wish for him to be gone. What's the logic there?
I've never said my opinion was superior. Stop putting things into my posts that I've never said just to make up for your lack of an argument. Deal in what I've said or be quiet. Please do not sit there and outright lie and interpret my quotes in the way that would be most convenient for you.
"Also you realise it was the user that likes this book that was saying 'I'v read the most so my opinion counts more'"
I literally have never said, not believed this. Stop making things up. I said having read and owned every single Daredevil issue makes me more of an authority than a lot of others because it does. Not a lot of people have read nor own every issue.
You trust a surgeon's word over a junior intern, do you not? More knowledge of a thing means the person carried more weight when speaking about it than someone with less knowledge. It does not mean opinion is right or wrong. Opinions CAN, however, carry more weight than others. This is fact. Do not sit there trying to make me look evil for saying this simply because you may fall into the lesser category. There are characters, I'm sure, on whom your opinion carries more weight than I due to greater knowledge. Neither are right or wrong in OPINION on the character, but when it comes to knowledge, opinions on things carry more weight when backed by it.
I have NEVER said my opinion is right, or superior, or godly. Stop it. I simply said that unless you have equal or more knowledge on Daredevil, then I will remain someone who has stronger grounds to speak on the character. Not that you can't or are wrong to do so. If that's how you further interpret me, I will take you as willingly doing so and this conversation will cease (Which is what you'll now do to avoid continuing a debate you don't have a case in).
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