Now i know that Daredevil is a darker character know and that everybody loves Frank Millers and Mark Waids work but why when the comics code was in play why didn't Marvel utilise this they could have had like a guide dog or something like that or a kid sidekick?

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Because when Stan Lee created all the Marvel heroes he didn't want them to be as stereotypical as the DC ones.

I mean does Spider-Man have one (Alpha doesn't count he was introduced 2 months ago for like 3 issues), or Black Panther or anybody else ?

Sidekicks is more of a DC concept. DC has a generation of multi-generational character (something Marvel is moving towards more recently). Marvel tends to have groups or partnerships, but they're rarely of a mentoring capacity.

Marvel seems to be opting for training camps (Avengers Academy) and schools (X-Men, Wolverine and the X-Men) for the heroic education of their younger characters.

He dosen'tt need one

@cattlebattle: Seriously he was gonna have a cartoon that would have been awesome

what about black widow she was partner to daredevil

Stan Lee hates kid/teen sidekicks.

@ruler said:

what about black widow she was partner to daredevil

This.

Have there been any Marvel sidekicks since the golden age. The first thing they did when they decided to bring back Cap was to kill off Bucky retroactively.

@Crash_Recovery said:

Sidekicks is more of a DC concept. DC has a generation of multi-generational character (something Marvel is moving towards more recently). Marvel tends to have groups or partnerships, but they're rarely of a mentoring capacity.

Marvel seems to be opting for training camps (Avengers Academy) and schools (X-Men, Wolverine and the X-Men) for the heroic education of their younger characters.

One word...Bucky...

The operative word being "one"

introducing daredevil's sides kick Wheels the handicap able wheel chair bound crime fighting cyborg.

A sidekick...No way in hell. Though I do think it would be cool if he had some sort of employer. Like somebody who tells him about big crimes all around the world he has to stop or new criminals. Sort of like his own personal Agent Fury

He never saw one that he liked.

Cap is the one of the only premier heroes that have had a sidekick and that's only because he was created in an era where EVERY superhero had a sidekick.

Because honestly sidekicks aren't really much of a thing anymore. Batman is really the only character who consistently has one and that's only when writers really feel like it.

Daredevil's girlfriends, all the important ones, have either died or went crazy because of their affiliation with him.

Do you really think that giving him a sidekick would be ok?

Over Matt's dead body, lol.

@Gambit1024 said:

Daredevil's girlfriends, all the important ones, have either died or went crazy because of their affiliation with him.

Do you really think that giving him a sidekick would be ok?

Over Matt's dead body, lol.

Black widow is still alive and have been his sidekick.

Typhoid Mary and Elektra was insane before they meet Matt. Or at least Elektra got insane because of the death of her father not Matt. Milla is the only person that got insane because of Matt. You could also say that it was more Foggy and BW's fault that Heather Gleen killed her self and not Matt.

DD dosen't roll like that

@tupiaz said:

@Gambit1024 said:

You could also say that it was more Foggy and BW's fault that Heather Gleen killed her self and not Matt.

You sure could say that...

But Daredevil wouldn't. Daredevil's entire character is based on guilt, whether it is justified or not. He takes the world on his shoulders and he broods and mopes when that doesn't work out for him. Which is all the time, because taking the entire world on your shoulders never works for anybody anywhere. (Except maybe Captain America or, in the DC Universe, Superman.)

@DFChewie: Agree on your post. My point was more that it hasn't been Matt/Daredevil's fault that a lot in his life has gone wrong/bad. My point was more that there was nothing wrong per se to give Matt a sidekick (lick he would bring harm). If it would work and if Daredevil isn't more of a lone wolf/knight is another reason why he maybe shouldn't have one. However the argument that he will just bring harm into the side kicks life is not a standpoint I agree on. Also the guilt of the entire world has in someway been tone downed and less of his character with Mark Waid writing him Guess that is why some don't like him as a DD writer.

@tupiaz said:

@DFChewie: Agree on your post. My point was more that it hasn't been Matt/Daredevil's fault that a lot in his life has gone wrong/bad. My point was more that there was nothing wrong per se to give Matt a sidekick (lick he would bring harm). If it would work and if Daredevil isn't more of a lone wolf/knight is another reason why he maybe shouldn't have one. However the argument that he will just bring harm into the side kicks life is not a standpoint I agree on. Also the guilt of the entire world has in someway been tone downed and less of his character with Mark Waid writing him Guess that is why some don't like him as a DD writer.

I Personally don't like Mark Waid because I find his stories lame.I don't mind that they toned down DD's depression.

It would be difficult because Daredevil's main attributes stem from his accident and I don't think it would work having someone who doesn't have the same abilities. Check our DD End of Days though

Because he cannot see what the fuss of having a sidekick is?

Wait, Foggy Nelson doesn't count?

@BlueArrow said:

@Crash_Recovery said:

Sidekicks is more of a DC concept. DC has a generation of multi-generational character (something Marvel is moving towards more recently). Marvel tends to have groups or partnerships, but they're rarely of a mentoring capacity.

Marvel seems to be opting for training camps (Avengers Academy) and schools (X-Men, Wolverine and the X-Men) for the heroic education of their younger characters.

One word...Bucky...

I think it was more because Stan Lee disliked sidekicks... Thankfully Stan had nothing to do with the creation of Captain America because I quite like Bucky.

Because no one can keep up.

But I would've liked it if they kept Echo around longer as somewhat of a pseudo-sidekick or more like a partner. I think they would've made a great duo.

1. He can't even keep his own secret identity secret for more than 50 issues.

2. His girlfriends keep dying, so imagine this man in charge of a prepubescent with a secret.

3. His villains are't really the batman type that want domination. Most of them just want more money. He can handle them solo.

The world can't handle two horn headed heroes with sidekicks..

He dosen't need one and he knows no teenage kid should fight a man's battle.Its too dangerous

@DarkKnightDetective said:

The world can't handle two horn headed heroes with sidekicks..

Isn't it bad enough when we have one insanley dark franchise where a teenager called dresses in bright colored tights?

@SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26: I can't answer that because I just read Batman & Robin #18 and I feel horrible.

@fodigg said:

Wait, Foggy Nelson doesn't count?

Oblivious not.

@JohnnyGat said:

Because he cannot see what the fuss of having a sidekick is?

LOL

A sidekick, why? Cause he's blind? He can do it himself.

@tupiaz said:

@fodigg said:

Wait, Foggy Nelson doesn't count?

Oblivious not.

"Oblivious"?

And no, I think Foggy has been a supporting character long enough for Daredevil to be considered a sidekick. You don't have to wear a costume to be a sidekick (e.g., Jimmy Olsen).

@fodigg said:

@tupiaz said:

@fodigg said:

Wait, Foggy Nelson doesn't count?

Oblivious not.

"Oblivious"?

And no, I think Foggy has been a supporting character long enough for Daredevil to be considered a sidekick. You don't have to wear a costume to be a sidekick (e.g., Jimmy Olsen).

He has been Matt's sidekick for many many years. But Foggy didn't know Matt was DD to around the late to mid 90's. So no, Foggy isn't Daredevil's sidekick and never has been. Foggy never helps Daredevil with his battles neither as a hero nor in a Oracle kind of role. Hell Maggie have help DD more (with injuries and such) than Foggy has. BW is without a doubt the closes DD had as sidekick. Partner would be a better term. Since a side kid is often a master/apprentice relationship rather than one there is equal. There is a clear difference between being a superheroes sidekick and the superheroes alter ego's side kick.

@tupiaz said:

@fodigg said:

@tupiaz said:

@fodigg said:

Wait, Foggy Nelson doesn't count?

Oblivious not.

"Oblivious"?

And no, I think Foggy has been a supporting character long enough for Daredevil to be considered a sidekick. You don't have to wear a costume to be a sidekick (e.g., Jimmy Olsen).

He has been Matt's sidekick for many many years. But Foggy didn't know Matt was DD to around the late to mid 90's. So no, Foggy isn't Daredevil's sidekick and never has been. Foggy never helps Daredevil with his battles neither as a hero nor in a Oracle kind of role. Hell Maggie have help DD more (with injuries and such) than Foggy has. BW is without a doubt the

There is a clear difference between being a superheroes sidekick and the superheroes alter ego's side kick.

agreed

He's blind he couldn't watch them

In Waid's run, Foggy is his sidekick.

Because DD is blind witch means his side kick would be deaf so their witty banter would go like this...

DD "I hate Mondays"

Sidekick "...."

DD "I hate fire alarms"

Sidekick "...."

DD "SOMEBODY GOT SAND IN THE POTATO SALAD!"

Sidekick "..."

@Teerack said:

Because DD is blind witch means his side kick would be deaf so their witty banter would go like this...

DD "I hate Mondays"

Sidekick "...."

DD "I hate fire alarms"

Sidekick "...."

DD "SOMEBODY GOT SAND IN THE POTATO SALAD!"

Sidekick "..."

Seems like you haven't read his team up with Echo.

@tupiaz: I thought it was odvious that it was meant to be a bad joke :P

@tupiaz said:

@fodigg said:

@tupiaz said:

@fodigg said:

Wait, Foggy Nelson doesn't count?

Oblivious not.

"Oblivious"?

And no, I think Foggy has been a supporting character long enough for Daredevil to be considered a sidekick. You don't have to wear a costume to be a sidekick (e.g., Jimmy Olsen).

He has been Matt's sidekick for many many years. But Foggy didn't know Matt was DD to around the late to mid 90's. So no, Foggy isn't Daredevil's sidekick and never has been.

Assuming you mean 1995, keep in mind that that was 18 years ago. That's a while. That's hardly "never has been".

Foggy never helps Daredevil with his battles neither as a hero nor in a Oracle kind of role. Hell Maggie have help DD more (with injuries and such) than Foggy has. BW is without a doubt the closes DD had as sidekick. Partner would be a better term. Since a side kid is often a master/apprentice relationship rather than one there is equal. There is a clear difference between being a superheroes sidekick and the superheroes alter ego's side kick.

I think your definition of sidekick is arbitrarily narrow. I don't think sidekicks need to be costumed characters any more than superheroes do. The Shadow had Moe Shrevnitz and the Spirit had Ebony White—average joe taxi drivers both—as their sidekicks; I'd argue Foggy is as much Daredevil's sidekick. Also, I don't think you need a mentor/apprentice setup for the sidekick status. The term can imply subordinant status in terms of story focus (i.e., one is the protagonist, the other the deuteragonist) rather than in-story hierarchy such as mentor-student.

@Teerack said:

@tupiaz: I thought it was odvious that it was meant to be a bad joke :P

My bad then.

@fodigg said:

@tupiaz said:

@fodigg said:

@tupiaz said:

@fodigg said:

Wait, Foggy Nelson doesn't count?

Oblivious not.

"Oblivious"?

And no, I think Foggy has been a supporting character long enough for Daredevil to be considered a sidekick. You don't have to wear a costume to be a sidekick (e.g., Jimmy Olsen).

He has been Matt's sidekick for many many years. But Foggy didn't know Matt was DD to around the late to mid 90's. So no, Foggy isn't Daredevil's sidekick and never has been.

Assuming you mean 1995, keep in mind that that was 18 years ago. That's a while. That's hardly "never has been".

Foggy never helps Daredevil with his battles neither as a hero nor in a Oracle kind of role. Hell Maggie have help DD more (with injuries and such) than Foggy has. BW is without a doubt the closes DD had as sidekick. Partner would be a better term. Since a side kid is often a master/apprentice relationship rather than one there is equal. There is a clear difference between being a superheroes sidekick and the superheroes alter ego's side kick.

I think your definition of sidekick is arbitrarily narrow. I don't think sidekicks need to be costumed characters any more than superheroes do. The Shadow had Moe Shrevnitz and the Spirit had Ebony White—average joe taxi drivers both—as their sidekicks; I'd argue Foggy is as much Daredevil's sidekick. Also, I don't think you need a mentor/apprentice setup for the sidekick status. The term can imply subordinant status in terms of story focus (i.e., one is the protagonist, the other the deuteragonist) rather than in-story hierarchy such as mentor-student.

Do I consider 95 mid 90's? I think that is the middles of middle 90's. However I can't remember Foggy ever helped DD. Give eksamples and issues. Back your opinion up with prove. If I could prove there is nothing there in any way I would love to. It is however a lot easier to prove that there is something. Besides that it was you who came with the claim and therefore you that needs to prove it.

Maybe you could use the angle protagonist/deuteragonist however it still needs to be connected to the hero, not the alter ego. Also I do consider Alfred as a helper of Batman and therefore you could call it a sidekick to Batman. Foggy doesn't even come close to have this relationship with Daredevil. However a sidekick does in someway implies that he is somehow like the main character. For instance in a group you are not each others sidekicks you are a group. Daredevil and Spider-man and not sidekicks either, they are partners that sometimes teams up. I think there is a difference in all these kinds of relationships and they are actually important to show the difference in the differed relationships since it gives a better understanding of how the character is.

@tupiaz said:

@Teerack said:

@tupiaz: I thought it was odvious that it was meant to be a bad joke :P

My bad then.

@fodigg said:

@tupiaz said:

@fodigg said:

@tupiaz said:

@fodigg said:

Wait, Foggy Nelson doesn't count?

Oblivious not.

"Oblivious"?

And no, I think Foggy has been a supporting character long enough for Daredevil to be considered a sidekick. You don't have to wear a costume to be a sidekick (e.g., Jimmy Olsen).

He has been Matt's sidekick for many many years. But Foggy didn't know Matt was DD to around the late to mid 90's. So no, Foggy isn't Daredevil's sidekick and never has been.

Assuming you mean 1995, keep in mind that that was 18 years ago. That's a while. That's hardly "never has been".

Foggy never helps Daredevil with his battles neither as a hero nor in a Oracle kind of role. Hell Maggie have help DD more (with injuries and such) than Foggy has. BW is without a doubt the closes DD had as sidekick. Partner would be a better term. Since a side kid is often a master/apprentice relationship rather than one there is equal. There is a clear difference between being a superheroes sidekick and the superheroes alter ego's side kick.

I think your definition of sidekick is arbitrarily narrow. I don't think sidekicks need to be costumed characters any more than superheroes do. The Shadow had Moe Shrevnitz and the Spirit had Ebony White—average joe taxi drivers both—as their sidekicks; I'd argue Foggy is as much Daredevil's sidekick. Also, I don't think you need a mentor/apprentice setup for the sidekick status. The term can imply subordinant status in terms of story focus (i.e., one is the protagonist, the other the deuteragonist) rather than in-story hierarchy such as mentor-student.

Do I consider 95 mid 90's? I think that is the middles of middle 90's.

I wasn't trying to imply you wouldn't, I was just ball-parking a figure to put a year on it. I don't know if it was actually '95 or not.

However I can't remember Foggy ever helped DD. Give eksamples and issues. Back your opinion up with prove. If I could prove there is nothing there in any way I would love to. It is however a lot easier to prove that there is something. Besides that it was you who came with the claim and therefore you that needs to prove it.

Maybe you could use the angle protagonist/deuteragonist however it still needs to be connected to the hero, not the alter ego. Also I do consider Alfred as a helper of Batman and therefore you could call it a sidekick to Batman. Foggy doesn't even come close to have this relationship with Daredevil. However a sidekick does in someway implies that he is somehow like the main character. For instance in a group you are not each others sidekicks you are a group. Daredevil and Spider-man and not sidekicks either, they are partners that sometimes teams up. I think there is a difference in all these kinds of relationships and they are actually important to show the difference in the differed relationships since it gives a better understanding of how the character is.

I understand the burden of proof just fine. However, I don't think giving you examples is going to mean much if we have different definitions of what constitutes a 'sidekick' to begin with. My estimation of a sidekick has as much to do with the specific relationships between the characters in question—which changes along with the writers behind the book—and role in the narrative. Yours seems to be defined by a specific archetype, including notable props, costumes, and prerequisite actions. We're not going to change those fundamentally different definitions by citing specific issues, and I'm not interested in proving my point in terms of your definition anyway. I'm happy to just declare a modus vivendi and leave it at that.

Thanks for the discussion!